Donald Trump gave a speech last night in which he he claimed that he only lost the 2020 election because foreigners interfered. He is obsessed with that ignominious defeat, because his ego is so huge that he can’t tolerate any contradiction of his self-regard.
Donald Trump accused China of interfering with the 2020 election in a primetime televised address that laid bare his continuing obsession with his defeat to Joe Biden, but which opponents warned was a smokescreen for him to meddle in the forthcoming congressional midterms.
In a 25-minute speech on Thursday that had been hyped by Trump himself, the US president cast extraordinary doubts on the integrity of the US electoral process, saying it was “catastrophically” short of standards of fairness and trust, and vulnerable to trespassing by foreign powers.
I don’t believe China had anything to do with it — that country is happy to sell us crap, and no doubt is savoring our ongoing collapse, but they don’t have to do anything to trigger our self-destruction. Republicans are pleased to do that to ourselves, because they are busy pursuing an illusory and contradictory fantasy of American greatness that is centered on racial purity and coddling of capitalists. There is no evidence of election fraud anywhere. Every time those accusations are tracked down they find at best a handful of fraudulent votes, never enough to have any kind of significant effect, but every time a Republican loses an election they start shrieking about Democrats cheating.
They are overlooking the insidious and entirely legal interference that has been going on for decades: the lies and propaganda of Fox News, masterminded by Rupert Murdoch, and how it has corrupted the brains of an entire generation of Americans. This is the seed that has grown into the idiocy that fuels our descent, which is now self-perpetuating. Barking at the Chinese is futile and irrelevant. Look into our systemic failures to regulate our own media.
Dear me, I do hope you aren’t harbouring the completely baseless belief that your country would need any EVIDENCE for persecutions? That would be somewhat unbecoming of a critical thinker, wouldn’t it?
And almost all of those fraudulent votes were cast by Republicans.
Well, I agree with this part.
You know, if anything it’s probably in the global interest of China to keep the orange arsehole around – the less stable the US is, the more opportunity for the extension of Chinese soft power across the globe. On the other hand, the Chinese seem rather more interested in making their own country prosperous and successful than in interfering with other people’s business. Maybe the leaders of the US could try that…
Trump filed 61 lawsuits claiming interference in the 2020 elections.. Trump produced no evidence the 2020 elections were stolen from him. Empty accusations are not evidence.
Actually almost all of the actual fraud that has been proven — as you say, very little — has been on behalf of Republicans, including the Dumpster.
FOREIGN election influence?
#1: Israel.
But that is the name that must not be said.
Dumpster has a habit of accusing others of misdeeds that he has done. If any foreign power meddled with the 2020 election, I’m confident it was on behalf of and coordinated with the Trump campaign. In fact, I recall some evidence…a concept Dumpster has no idea of…that the Trumps met foreign agents (Russian) leading up to the 2016 election.
@cervantes: I assume the logic is “I cheated and lost, so they must have cheated more”.
Republicans don’t mind foreign influence or cheating in elections as long as it benefits them.
After Dementia Don was done I though “That’s it? That’s his best shot? That is so pathetic I almost feel bad for him.”
Where states have reviewed their voter rolls, they have always found that non-citizens voting has always been a non-problem. The Red state of Utah just finished a comprehensive review of their voter rolls. They found very few non-citizens registered to vote and half of those never voted anyway.
Utah looked at 2 million registered voters.
They only found 27 that were non-citizens and only 13 non-citizens had ever voted.
Non-citizens voting is not a problem in the USA.
Which means the Trump voter suppression act, the SAVE act is a solution searching for a problem
@7. Snarki, child of Loki : “FOREIGN election influence? #1: Israel. But that is the name that must not be said.”
Also Russia or rather Putin.
Do Murdoch and or Musk count too?
All of whoem wanted Trump as POTUS especially Netanyahu.
Plenty of evidence for Putin helping Trump. Indeed, there’s wikipages for that in 2020* and 2024* – and 2018 too even.***
.* See : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections
.** Plus : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2024_United_States_elections
.** As well as : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2018_United_States_elections
NB. Notable that the Foreign interferers -especially those worst Russian ones – always try to get the Repugs elected and undfermine theDemocratic party. Becioz of course they know who is bad for the USoA ad want them incharge.
Also notable that Jill Stein was a Putin shill and supporter too.
China, China, China.
On topic: stumbled across this article on May 7, pointing out irregularities in 2024 vote statistics + possible means of said irregularies via the uninteruptable power supply (UPS) units attached to voting machines… Long read but shows a possibility to hack voter machines in 2024. So, today we get announcement for an “overhaul of voting system” from your president. Perhaps he wants new, improved, UPSs with wider, starlink-ed bandwidth…
Imagine being the first caveman, once fire was invented, discovering that farts are inflammable.
It’s not the false, deceitful claims of ballots being shredded, stolen or put down the sewer we should worry about. The primary concern should be that ‘citizens united’ unleashed the corporate crapitallist plutocrats ability to obscenely influence weak minded people who revel in their ‘patriotic’ ignorance. This includes domestic and foreign powers, the right-twisted elements of murderdoch-style mainslime media, aipac, magat radio, etc.
It’s optimistic to think the damage is contained to a single generation.
Seth Meyers on the Late Night show said “We tape the show before the speech so we don’t know what Trump said, and if you watched the speech you don’t know either”.
China, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar all spend far more on lobbying in the U.S. than Israel does.
My comment about “#1: Israel” is about their effectiveness, not spending, or even “how bad is the effect”. Part of that is having a lot of direct knowledge from people that have lived in the US, but not currently. UK probably has more of that knowledge, but seems not to care as much.
All nations try to “influence” others. With varying degrees of evil, cost, and effectiveness.