A first-hand report of Nathaniel Jeanson’s lecture in Boston

This was predictable. As I mentioned, there was a lecture by a Scientist with a Ph.D. in Science from Harvard on Sunday, by a fellow named Dr Nathaniel Jeanson, which is part of a fairly typical trend nowadays: the devout creationist who grinds his way through a graduate program to earn an advanced degree so he can disregard everything he learned to wave his title like a victory flag and pretend to an authority he does not have. Other well-known examples are Jonathan Wells and Marcus Ross — their degrees are meaningless since they clearly prioritize the trappings of authority over the substance of knowledge.

So Jeff Eyges attended and sent in a summary. It’s no surprise: Jeanson has this fancy degree, but his talk was all straight out of the quaint old 1960s “Scientific Creationism” handbook, full of bogus arguments and obfuscatory handwaving over science the speaker doesn’t understand.

As I told Catherine Dulac, his former dept. head at Harvard, it was an hour-long spectacle of misinformation, half-truths and what appeared to be deliberate obfuscation. Most of this (probably all of it) you’ve heard before. He began by contrasting Evolutionary Theory and Creationism. Evolution, he said, admits only naturalistic explanations, discounts eyewitness testimony (i.e., the Bible) and insists upon uniformitarianism. Naturally, he sees these as weaknesses.

He then listed the similarities; strangely he listed speciation (I thought they didn’t even like the word) under “Microevolution”. He then pulled out what I imagine was the most nihilistic quote by a scientist (regrettably, I didn’t write down the name) he could find, to the effect that evolution demonstrates that there is no purpose to life, no ethics, no free will, etc. He did say that not all atheists have this view, but, of course, it was calculated to appeal to the Christians in the audience; they gasped and shook their heads appropriately (I should mention that the event was sponsored by an evangelical church; yes, we have a few in Boston!). They were primed.

He then began to weave tortuous arguments from geology and astronomy, disciplines in which he apparently has no training and upon which he isn’t qualified to draw (I’m not sure he’s qualified to draw upon biology). Astronomy – the galaxies are positioned at discrete distances from the Earth, in all directions, which is what you’d expect to see if we were at the center. Geology – the basalt layer on the sea floor, coupled with the ion exchange cycle, only allows for an age of 62 million years. The mud flow process allows for only 12 million years. The inconsistency shows the unreliability of the evolutionary model. Radiometric dating is, of course, unreliable as well. For uranium to decay into lead takes 1.5 billion years, however, helium retention (apparently, zircon crystals containing lead that decayed from uranium have also contained helium; YEC’s claim that over millions of years, the helium would have escaped) would indicate an age of 6,000 years. Not only does this demonstrate the inconsistency of the old-Earth model, but it serves to validate the chronology of the young-Earth model (because, of course, when the methodology supports our a priori conclusions, we accept it!).

He then dealt with the geological strata. He talked about layers in the area around Mt. St. Helens, along with peat, as a possible precursor of oil, at the bottom of a lake that has since formed, and opined that similar activity with greater force, multiplied many times, occurred during the Flood. He quoted one of his new colleagues at ICR (he quoted them quite a bit, actually) as saying that the Earth doesn’t look old; it looks flooded!

He then got around to Biology. According to him, biologists admit that abiogenesis is the “worst” problem as regards evolution. Also (and you can hear this coming) – there are few, if any, transitional forms, and they’ve been looking for decades. (I was surprised he even allowed for the possibility of “a few”; I’m not sure what he meant.) Finally, of course – irreducible complexity. He drew upon his own doctoral work on calcium regulation in the blood, as well as bacterial flagella and blood clotting. Naturally, he neglected to mention the refutations of IR that have been in circulation since before Dover.

Then he got into some very weird territory. He gave a brief description, for the sake of the lay churchgoers, of DNA, RNA and proteins, and then put up a chart giving the degree of similarity in Cytochrome C sequencing between organisms, expressed as percentages. He drew attention to the fact that the degree of similarity between yeast (for example) and humans is the same as that between yeast and plants, and that this is true across the board for all organisms. David Levin, a professor of Molecular Biology from Boston University was there, and, as both you and he subsequently explained to me, Cytochrome C is an extremely old gene, and we would therefore expect the sequences to be the same for all organisms. The strange thing is that each organism had a different figure assigned to it – yeast was 39% similar to all other organisms; others had different figures – so I really don’t understand what he was trying to say. He then plotted the figures on pyramids, and said something along the lines of requiring geometric shapes of increasingly higher dimensions to express it properly. I told Dr. Levin, “I couldn’t understand what that was all about.” He told me it was deliberate obfuscation, and I said, “Thanks, that’s what I thought!” As I said, it was all very strange.

Jeanson ended by attempting to use his take on creation “science” as justification for his conservative Christian theology – the evidence points to a creation made specifically for us; the reasonable response is one of gratitude and praising the creator, who is then within his rights to manifest just wrath over our not praising him and expressing gratitude. Although I’m 52 and have been observing it all of my life, the fact that they don’t see this as a projection of their own damaged egos and a product of their pathologically low self-esteem still floors me.

There was a half-hour lunch break, then an hour-long Q & A. Most of the church folk had left, but a few remained, along with several scientists and science-oriented people. Dr. Levin began by bringing up the genomic data, describing it as a problem in logic for which the only answer is common descent. Jeanson claimed to be unfamiliar with the data! (I’d think even an undergraduate Biology student would be familiar with it at this point; I’m hard-pressed to understand how a recent PhD grad – from Harvard, no less – doesn’t know about it.) Levin offered to get up and give a five minute presentation; Jeanson wasn’t interested. The chimpanzee genome came up as well; Jeanson said he thought it was based upon the human data and incomplete at that; Levin told him that wasn’t the case, that we have the complete genome and have had it for some time. He also mentioned tree ring dendrology, that we have specimens going back 11,000 years. Again, Jeanson said he wasn’t familiar with it. He ended up saying that a good deal; apparently, there wasn’t too much data with which he was familiar! At that point, a man stood up, agitated, said he was a doctor and that he’d been a Christian for thirty years, that he converted because of the “differing opinions” about evolutionary theory, and started going off the deep end about the inconsistencies in carbon dating and how it related to tree ring dendrology. Dr. Levin, who was a model of patience and restraint, told him that it was irrelevant; the tree ring data is used to calibrate carbon dating, but is obviously independent of it.

Other people brought up similar issues, forcing Jeanson to back down on a couple of points. One fellow challenged him on irreducible complexity, and got him to admit it’s really just a semantic device, that it doesn’t serve as evidence for creation. The fellow asked, “Then why include it in your talk?” Jeanson had no answer. He was also pressed about the Cytochrome C similarities, and acknowledged that it actually did support common ancestry. A young woman noted that he had no problem questioning the opinions of scientists, but that he seemed unwilling to question the Bible, which was written by poorly educated men 2,500 – 3,000 years ago. He replied that he’d studied the Bible extensively, had found it to be reliable and consistent, and that when he’d thought he’d found an inconsistency, it turned out to be the result of his own “wrong thinking” (His mental processes would appear to mimic the scientific process, in that they seem to be self-correcting!). He also began using the word “paradigm” repeatedly, which made me think of Marcus Ross; it’s the term he uses to sidestep his critics. In fact, that’s what the Q & A consisted largely of – Jeanson avoiding direct confrontation and claiming ignorance of data. My perception was that the whole thing was making him uncomfortable, but I’d hate to think that in five years, no one at Harvard confronted him.

There were numerous challenges, and, toward the end, the Christians started to get a little feisty as they felt increasingly threatened – Bible quotes, atheism leads to Nazism, that sort of thing. All in all, though, it was rather tame. As we were leaving, Dr. Levin was engaged by a couple of fundies. They said God created the trees with rings to make it look as though they were old; he suggested that made God a deceiver. No, no, he’s given you free will; you have a choice… the same tired apologetics. On the one hand, God hides himself enough so that we have to have faith, on the other, he gives us enough evidence so that we are without excuse and he’s justified in holding us “accountable”. And, of course, it doesn’t matter whether or not we think it’s “fair” – he’s God; he can do whatever he likes! It’s like arguing with very stubborn, developmentally challenged children (which, as I suggest from time to time on Pharyngula and Ed Brayton’s blog, is how I feel they should be treated).

As I mentioned, I came home and wrote an email to Dr. Dulac, the Chair of the Dept. of Molecular and Cellular Biology at Harvard. I’m absolutely appalled that this young man, who disavows a century and a half of empirical data and repudiates the basic principles of science, was given a PhD by one of the most prestigious universities in the country. First Kurt Wise, now this kid. As I told Dr. Levin, “One is an anomaly. Two is already becoming a habit!”


There is another account from the Boston Atheists. Jeanson is same ol’, same ol’.


Yet more reports: the Boston Skeptics and Aaron Golas summarize the talk, and you can download a recording.

This is exactly what we need everytime one of these frauds speaks: a mob of skeptics to descend upon it and shred it publicly and on the web.

Boston, land of…creationists?

Here’s a little secret about getting a graduate degree: it helps to be a little bit crazy. You are dedicating a good chunk of your life to the pursuit of some very abstract knowledge after all, and as a reward, you get faint hopes of landing a low-paying job in your field. A bigger secret: you can even be a lot crazy and still manage to land that degree (you, in the back: stop pointing and snickering at me!)

So it means precisely nothing when someone brags about finding a Ph.D. willing to espouse utter nonsense. It happens all the time — the degree in itself is not an indicator of credibility. It always amuses me to see the creationists getting so excited at finding someone with a doctorate willing to stand up and disavow everything he supposedly learned so that he can praise Jesus and declare the earth to be only 6,000 years old.

For example, right now a creationist with a Harvard science degree is lecturing in Boston on Evolution: Bankrupt Science; Creationism: Science You Can Bank On. Obviously, Dr Nathaniel Jeanson is one of the fruit loops who plodded through a graduate program.

The good news is that the Boston Skeptics are on his tail and will be reporting on the event. I’ll be looking forward to the dissection.

No apologies

Some very persnickety people have been demanding that I apologize for riding a fiberglas dinosaur at the Creation “Museum”, because it had a sign saying it was intended only for those under the age of 12. I’ve thought about it. There is that sign, after all, and if I’d looked a little more carefully, I might have noticed it.

But then, I realized that I still would have clambered aboard. There isn’t the slightest twinge of repentance in my heart. I’ll even encourage everyone else to jump on, if you go there — it’s irresistibly ludicrous, and is a good way to thumb your nose at the goofballs running that show. Of course, now they’re going to have a guard hovering around it all the time, so it may be a little trickier. You may also get tased.

If you absolutely must have an excuse, though, it’s easy. Ken Ham claims that the world, which by all objective, scientific measures is 4.5 billion years old, is actually only 6,000 years old. Scaling ages by this metric, that means that greying 52 year old geezers like me are only 36 minutes old — obviously, I was created with the appearance of age. 36 minutes is much, much less than 12 years, so I was clearly within the allowed range. What that sign really means is that you must be under 90 million scientific years to ride the dinosaur.

Creepy ol’ Ken Ham

Ken Ham is whining about me again — this time, I am “this atheist professor”. He really chokes over my name, doesn’t he?

Anyway, that’s not interesting. What is bizarre is this photo and question:

Where were these taken?

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Answer: In the AiG parking lot when the 285 atheists visited.  As one looks at the messages on these bumper stickers, we need to pray for these very lost people who so desperately need the Lord.  Actually, I believe some of these messages really do reflect what the devil offered Adam and Eve in Genesis 3, “you shall become as gods…”

This is creepy on two levels: that Ken Ham sent his goons out to photograph the cars of visitors, which speaks of a very deep paranoia, and that he finds these simple bumper stickers to be satanic. He needs to pray for people who voted for Obama? People who value ethics and doing good are desperate need of the lord?

He’s a sick, warped man.

We’re still beating Turkey!

When we Americans need a little reassurance that we aren’t Number Last (or reminders that it could get worse), all we have to do is look to Turkey. A Turkish television show had a ‘debate’ that attempted to disprove evolution, in which the audience was treated to some serious intellectual problems.

They called in the question which evolution created angel and daemon, how felicities in the heaven evolved, how the snake came into existence out of the baton as well as the bird out of mud. The creationists tried to disprove evolution theory with these questions.

I give up. They’re right. Evolution cannot explain the origin of angels and demons. And that talking snake? It’s a complete mystery to the world of science.

The next big thing from the creationist movie community

Kevin Miller, screenwriter for the propaganda film Expelled, has a new project in the works that follows in the Christian movie tradition.

Creation, Resurrection Pictures’ first original film project—a humorous and tearful story of a high school biology teacher’s struggle to expose the lie of evolution, based on the life of creation evangelist Dr. Kent Hovind and written by Kevin Miller the writer of Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed is scheduled for production in 2010.

I was rolling my eyes, nothing more, as I read that, until I hit those magic words, “Dr Kent Hovind”…then I had to smirk. Seriously? Tax cheat and fraud and recipient of an advanced degree from an unaccredited split-level diploma mill in Colorado, with a dissertation that begins “Hello, my name is Kent Hovind”, and that is little more than a collection of magazine articles snipped out and pasted in a scrap book…and that is Kevin Miller’s hero?

I predict that there will be a wee bit of truth-stretching in that screenplay.

Now I’m a “firebrand”!

Cool, I’ll accept the title. One of the reporters who joined us in Kentucky has a nice article on the Creation “Museum” trip in the Star Tribune. One thing I appreciate about it is that he actually quotes us on the scientific flaws in the exhibits.

There is a very silly quote from Ken Ham, of course.

“Our own, full-time Ph.D. scientists and many other scientists who work in the secular world provided the research for the museum scripts,” replied Ham. “This man is obviously very angry at God and relishes in mocking Christianity — spending a lot of his time fighting against someone he doesn’t believe exists!”

No, repeating a lie does not make it true. There is no research backing up the “museum” — there is ideology and religion and a crack team of highly educated crackpots.

And he repeats his desperate ad hominem — yes, I’m an atheist, and yes, I dislike religion. So? That has nothing to do with the validity of those ghastly ignorant exhibits.

Michael Ruse probably won’t be able to read this, either

We have made Michael Ruse very sad and very angry. He has an essay up called Why I Think the New Atheists are a [Bloody] Disaster, in which he bemoans the way he has been abused by these brutal atheists, and explains how he thinks these godless scientists are damaging the cause of science and science education. Here’s the heart of his pitiful complaint.

Richard Dawkins, in his best selling The God Delusion, likens me to Neville Chamberlain, the pusillanimous appeaser of Hitler at Munich. Jerry Coyne reviewed one of my books (Can a Darwinian be a Christian?) using the Orwellian quote that only an intellectual could believe the nonsense I believe in. And non-stop blogger P. Z. Myers has referred to be as a “clueless gobshite.” This invective is all because, although I am not a believer, I do not think that all believers are evil or stupid, and because I do not think that science and religion have to clash. (Of course some science and religion clashes. That is the whole point of the Darwinism-Creationism debate. The matter is whether all science and religion clash, something I deny strongly.)

It’s true — I did call him a clueless gobshite. However, the reason is most definitely not what I have highlighted in his comment above, and apparently he was not able to read what I wrote for comprehension — perhaps he was stunned by my invective, and went temporarily blind when he looked at the page, seeing nothing but “clueless gobshite” in 72 point bold blinking text.

No, what has earned him our ire is his weirdly selective criticisms — the way he consistently leans favorably towards creationism, giving the most charitable interpretations of their motives while gently chiding them for their beliefs, and conversely, trying to turn on flamethrower rhetoric at the atheists (‘trying’, I say, because all he can generate anymore is a confused and intermittent sputter), damning them for their bad philosophy and accusing them of being out to demolish science.

This latest essay is a perfect example. Look at what he does here:

But I think first that these people do a disservice to scholarship. Their treatment of the religious viewpoint is pathetic to the point of non-being. Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing. As I have said elsewhere, for the first time in my life, I felt sorry for the ontological argument. If we criticized gene theory with as little knowledge as Dawkins has of religion and philosophy, he would be rightly indignant. (He was just this when, thirty years ago, Mary Midgeley went after the selfish gene concept without the slightest knowledge of genetics.) Conversely, I am indignant at the poor quality of the argumentation in Dawkins, Dennett, Hitchens, and all of the others in that group.

I don’t think there can be any doubt that he has nothing but contempt for the arguments of the “New Atheists”, and he is not at all hesitant to say so. They have not met his standards of philosophical scholarship, and it rouses him to the full fury of an offended academic, one who must put these scoundrels in their place. Bad philosophy is a cardinal sin to Michael Ruse, that is the honest and objective basis for his complaints — it couldn’t possibly be a lingering belief in belief, or perhaps even some professional jealousy, or that for many years he has been in a comfortable back-patting relationship with the creationists in which he politely disputes their claims, after which Ruse and the creationists mutually congratulate each other on their civility and open-mindedness, and he receives his honoraria.

No, it must be our poor reasoning and slovenly philosophy. But then, how do we explain this?

In the past few years, we have seen the rise and growth of a group that the public sphere has labeled the “new atheists” – people who are aggressively pro-science, especially pro-Darwinism, and violently anti-religion of all kinds, especially Christianity but happy to include Islam and the rest. Actually the arguments are not that “new,” but no matter – the publicity has been huge. Distinctive of this group, although well known to anyone who studies religion and the way in which sects divide and proliferate, is the fact that (with the possible exception of the Catholic Church) nothing incurs their wrath than those who are pro-science but who refuse to agree that all and every kind of religious belief is wrong, pernicious, and socially and personally dangerous. Recently, it has been the newly appointed director of the NIH, Francis Collins, who has been incurring their hatred. Given the man’s scientific and managerial credentials – completing the HGP under budget and under time for a start – this is deplorable, if understandable since Collins is a devout Christian.

Wait…this makes no sense. He says, “The God Delusion makes me ashamed to be an atheist” — has he read The Language of God? Has he even tried to wade into the embarrassingly inane philosophy of Collins’ BioLogos website? I mean, seriously, if he is such a paragon of intellectual purity that he is furiously offended at Dawkins’ work, why is he not also protesting the grade-school foolishness of Collins’ arguments? Why, in all these sniping public essays he’s been writing these past few years, does he always find excuses to blister the atheists’ hides, while making kindly apologies for or ignoring the greater failings of his creationist and religious friends?

Furthermore, he consistently predicts woe and doom and disaster because those darned atheists are so wrong and stupid and annoying, while never making the same extravagant lamentations about the effects of institutionalized creationism and religion, which has far more public power and influence. Always, the blame falls on those who challenge most strongly the pernicious effects of faiths that defy reason and science.

That’s why he gets called a clueless gobshite and a pusillanimous appeaser and a pusher of nonsense. It has nothing to do with not thinking “that all believers are evil or stupid”, because I don’t think that, and neither do any of these “New Atheists” that I know. In that essay which gave him conniptions, I plainly spelled that out, repeatedly and strongly saying that I think most creationists are victims of a con game, and are neither evil nor stupid. I don’t know how he could now quote two words of mine from that post without noting that all the rest of it contradicts his claims about us…except, perhaps, that strange temporary blindness syndrome that fries his occipital lobe at the sight of “clueless gobshite”.

We’ve also repeatedly pointed out that our opposition to Collins is definitely not because he is a Christian, but it seems to be futile to mention that to these apologists. I guess in a world where Catholic priests can be excused for raping children because they are Christians, it’s hopeless to expect that the slighter offense of being an irrational proselytizer with a poor understanding of evolution won’t be excused for the same reason, that the poor fool is a Christian. It’s an interesting defense; apparently no one will ever be able to criticize a Christian nominee for high office ever again, and the safest strategy for those on that kind of career track is to be the wackiest possible Christian you can be.

But otherwise, just look at the rhetoric in his essay: at every opportunity, he uses positive language and generous words for his friends the creationists, and the strongest condemnations for prominent atheists; there is absolutely no question where his loyalties lie. At the same time, he levies no blame and holds to no fault the organized liars for Jesus who promote Intelligent Design creationism…while the atheists are taking the country down the road to disaster, disaster, disaster. Could he possibly, at some point in his fading career and diminishing credibility, take a deep, deep breath and notice who is snuggling up to lawmakers and sneaking creationism into our school boards, who is propagandizing creationism to our teachers, who is throwing buckets of money into press releases and ideological conferences (in which Michael Ruse cheerfully participates) that deny science and promote anti-science?

Ah, probably not. He knows he would have no future in a secular world, and his fortunes right now are too strongly tied to his blithe role as the ever-helpful intermediary to the creationists.

There’s more that could be deconstructed in his pathetic whine — Jerry Coyne rips into his claim that atheism damages education. I’m not going to accuse Ruse of being a bloody disaster to progress, though, since he has become a trivial irrelevancy and a rather silly figure who takes pride in standing on a bridge between good science and people who believe Jesus created the dinosaurs, reassuring everyone on the crazy side that it’s OK to cuddle up to ignorance.


I guess I have become so accustomed to the anti-atheist hyperbole that I hadn’t even noticed something several commenters have pointed out: Ruse calls the “New Atheists” “violently anti-religion”. Violently? Really?

Here’s all I can say about that.

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Build your own “Museum”!

Did you miss out on our trip to the Creation “Museum” last week? Do you wish you could see such amazing inanity on display, but you live far away and you just don’t think it’s worth the money? Or perhaps you just don’t want to give AiG a penny. Well, here’s your solution: make your own! It’s easy, it’s cheap, and trust me, it’s just as scientifically accurate.

All you have to do is go to your local WalMart and browse the toy section. Get a random assortment of plastic animals, arrange them into a beautiful diorama, and take pictures. Presto! That’s what these clever people did.

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I just have to add that gluing googly eyes on everything was brilliant. It makes the whole display so much better than anything in the $27 million dollar monument to folly in Kentucky. (Uh-oh — I hope AiG isn’t reading this, or they’ll rush out and get bigger googly eyes to glue on all their exhibits, and increase their verisimilitude a thousand fold).

More stuff we missed at the Creation “Museum”

We more or less blitzed through the “museum” last Friday, and I think I speak for many of the 300 when I say that we’d had enough lunacy for the day. Some of us, apparently, had stronger stomachs, and went back for Terry Mortenson’s talk later that afternoon. Dr Mortenson is, I think, one of those people with Ph.D.s of whom Ken Ham is so proud…but man, that guy is freakin’ nuts. He spoke about human evolution, and you can guess where that went. Well, maybe. I wouldn’t have anticipated this:

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I know. One minute they’re telling us that Gawd created humans exactly as they are now, and all those hominin fossils are just apes, and the next, they’re telling us Homo erectus and Neandertal are just Noah’s great-grandkids (he had a very complicated family, didn’t he?). Consistency is one of those trivial details that gets thrown out when you dismiss human reason, I guess.

Despite the fact that we clearly missed a lot of the insanity going on there, I don’t think I need to go back.


File this under “Holy crap” — Jason also attended the lecture, and look what slide Mortenson showed at the end.

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That’s from the AiG website, too, so we aren’t making this up — you can go right to the source.

It doesn’t matter that they are imputing that imagery to evolution. Imagine if biologists put on blackface and started talking in thick dialect while claiming that’s what creationists think — that’s what those scumbags at AiG are doing.