David Gerard’s spleen is quite nice.
That all rings true. The technology is interesting and potentially useful, the problem is the techbro cult that is monetizing it all.
Here’s an interesting point. AI used to be marketed as “Expert Systems” back in the 1980s which faded away in the 90s, according to Wikipedia.
In the 1990s and beyond, the term expert system and the idea of a standalone AI system mostly dropped from the IT lexicon. There are two interpretations of this. One is that “expert systems failed”: the IT world moved on because expert systems did not deliver on their over hyped promise.[38][39] The other is the mirror opposite, that expert systems were simply victims of their success: as IT professionals grasped concepts such as rule engines, such tools migrated from being standalone tools for developing special purpose expert systems, to being one of many standard tools.[40] Other researchers suggest that Expert Systems caused inter-company power struggles when the IT organization lost its exclusivity in software modifications to users or Knowledge Engineers.
There are reasons it became less popular as a marketing term.
- Expert systems have superficial knowledge, and a simple task can potentially become computationally expensive.
- Expert systems require knowledge engineers to input the data, data acquisition is very hard.
- The expert system may choose the most inappropriate method for solving a particular problem.
- Problems of ethics in the use of any form of AI are very relevant at present.
- It is a closed world with specific knowledge, in which there is no deep perception of concepts and their interrelationships until an expert provides them.
Sound familiar?
Reginald Selkirk says
I’m having trouble interpreting the second clause. Maybe replace should be replaced by increase?
chrislawson says
…or replicate…
Reginald Selkirk says
What Does the Spleen Do?
raven says
I was just reading an article about the architecture of AI data centers.
For machine learning, they use around a 100 layers of data processor arrays. Each array can be 1,000 processors.
The number of transistors, the basic unit of computing is enormous. It’s in the trillions. Per AI setup.
These AI data centers inherently consume huge amounts of power.
A small one can use 20 megawatts.
A large one can use up to 200 megawatts.
A 100 megawatt power plant can power a small city.
This is brute force computing.
The human brain is an energy hog, and uses a whole 20 watts of power.
“The human brain is very energy efficient, using only 20 watts of power to perform a billion-billion mathematical operations per second. This is equivalent to the amount of energy used by a computer monitor in sleep mode.
Size: The brain is only 2% of the body’s mass, but it uses 20% of the body’s metabolic load.”
Dunc says
You want spleen? Ed Zitron has you covered there today… Never Forgive Them:
[Warning: long!]
larpar says
One of my time killers is scrolling youtube shorts. It seems like half of them are AI generated. I scroll as soon as I hear a mispronounced word. The other day I saw one about women’s basketball. It pronounced the WNBA as wunba.
raven says
We are all in a state of shock and despair over how the election went.
The anti-humans won and are in control.
Things aren’t going well in the USA for the average person. The agenda of the MAGAts is to wreck the USA and make things worse.
I decided I wasn’t going to spend a lot of time trying to understand it.
It’s like trying to read the mind of a malaria protozoan or flatworm liver fluke.
Why bother?
Nevertheless, in passing I’ve made a low effort attempt.
Our standard of living per hour worked has gone down a lot in the last two decades.
The main expense of a family is housing and house prices are at an all time high in terms of affordability.
The second big expense is cars.
Also at an all time high in terms of affordability.
College. Same thing.
Private secondary school Same thing.
Medical care. Same thing.
We also have expenses that didn’t even exist 30 years ago.
Everyone needs a cell phone and internet access.
Job stability is also nonexistent.
Jobs come and go and employees are all fungible and expendable.
Our average lifespans are going down, a sign of a distressed society.
Follow the money.
Life is hard for the average person and getting worse, not better.
People want change, they just don’t realize or care that things can change and get even more dismal, not better.
Some data.
Brony, Social Justice Cenobite says
Relatedly I was pondering how anatomy and non-literal language use related to the spleen. I couldn’t think of any emotional language of the spleen. I forgot this reference.
Now is there any emotional language of the pancreas?
numerobis says
larpar: that seems to still be a dead giveaway. It’s funny seeing people argue that nonono that’s all real when someone who has no trouble pronouncing town names in Ukraine (on account of being Ukrainian) pushes a video where all the town names are horribly mangled.
keinsignal says
@Dunc – I was just going to recommend Zitron’s podcast “Better Offline”! He’s one of the best tech journalists currently working when it comes to cutting through the hype, and naming and shaming the bastards responsible.
I don’t think he’s had David Gerard on his show yet but I hope he manages it soon. Just hearing those two bounce off each other for a half hour or so sounds immensely cathartic.
shermanj says
What PZ is pointing to is that AI really stands for Actual Idiocy.
In the 1970s we had ‘spurt systems’. Then in the 1980s they devolved into ‘EXspurt systems’ and they all sucked vacuum.
anthrosciguy says
I went to a 2 day conference at UCSC in the 80s about “expert systems” and how they were artificial intelligence that works just like a human brain. The one critic pointed out, among other things, that expert systems weren’t how experts actually solved probs but how they explained how the prob was solved. In other words, it was the justification for the fee charged, not how the work actually got done.
This was all tied up with “5th generation computing” which the Japanese were so far ahead of us on and pouring so much money into (see this slide? just ignore that 3rd column marked “IBM” and you’ll see the Japanese are spending so much more that we are). In less than 10 years (that’s mid-1990s it happened apparently) we’ll have artificial brains that work just like human brains; well, the Japanese will have them and we won’t, because you’re not throwing money at the guys who say that a big bunch of facts tied to a bunch of “if, then” statements is how the human brain works. That’s why Japan now controls all of our computing systems, networks, and products today.
They just move the goalposts when their predictions are shown to be BS.
John Morales says
Most people can’t perform even three mathematical operations per second, in real life.
(How many billions of mathematical operations do chicken brains manage?)
John Morales says
Oh, yeah, about about power consumption:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koomey%27s_law
John Morales says
Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swanson%27s_law
Brony, Social Justice Cenobite says
Re:13
That’s not an efficiency statement. It doesn’t address any measures of waste energy in metabolism related to the brain.
On top of that the brain computes via changes moving changes in electric potential moving down membranes driven by sodium, potassium, and chloride gradients generated by ATP that lead to expulsion of signalling chemicals. Not electrons generated by various means. That has to be taken into account.
Brony, Social Justice Cenobite says
Now if we used ATP in power plants to generate electrons somehow maybe some efficiency comparisons become possible.
Brony, Social Justice Cenobite says
I have read that there is a projection from the spleen to the amygdala. If there’s a similar projection from the pancreas to the amygdala it could be involved in feelings too. Maybe another culture has a pancreas reference…
John Morales says
[Brony, ATP is only around 38% efficient (https://lgross.utk.edu/LGrossTIEMwebsite/home/gross/public_html/bioed/webmodules/ATPEfficiency.htm) in energy turnaround — it has to be synthesised before it can be used]
John Morales says
[Brony @18, the term ‘gut feeling’ is suggestive, no?]
Brony, Social Justice Cenobite says
But how much energy is lost getting the protons or sodium (some prokaryotes) across membranes to make the gradient for the ATP synthase?
And gut feeling is suggestive. I don’t feel the same about language after what I’ve been reading about meat computers.
David Gerard says
ha, thank you!
All I need to do is write this much spleen every day until I get to 50,000 words. Then I’ll have one Ed Zitron blog post.
phillipbrown says
Brony @8
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bile
John Morales says
https://www.transitionzero.org/products/solar-asset-mapper
Brony, Social Justice Cenobite says
Emotional language of the liver. That’s another one I need to check for amygdala projections along with the pancreas. The resolution of feelings for internal anatomy is a thing I’ve been wanting to make more concrete.
Brony, Social Justice Cenobite says
Liver and gallbladder.
jo1storm says
I think this article explains some of it nicely.
https://thebaffler.com/salvos/of-flying-cars-and-the-declining-rate-of-profit
Also, this one explains another why:
https://prospect.org/economy/2024-06-03-age-of-recoupment/
As for spleen, wasn’t there some famous article called “Hi, its me, your pancreas” or something similar?