Cliven Bundy, the ignorant, ahistorical, far right wing, Mormon parasite who has been stealing the use of government land for decades, is also a flaming racist.
“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.
“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
I forgot to say he’s also egotistical. This two-bit peckerwood is giving a daily press conference in which he lets his mind ramble through the cobwebs in his skull, as if what he says is important. Could someone ask him about evolution, or climate change, or religion? Because I’m sure his ensuing monologue would be intensely entertaining.
A swarm of teabaggers on Twitter were complaining that the lamestream media just made up this story, and they weren’t going to believe it until there was video…which they said didn’t exist. Whoops.
Let me guess, he’s probably “tough on crime” as well.
The thing I like about Mr. Bundy is that as more GOP candidates try to say they stand with him, they’ll look more and more crazy, and less likely to be elected by a majority.
And just how much money does this motherfucker owe the government?
I forget, it’s always the *other* people who are on “government subsidies”.
Holy…..fucking…..shit…..
That’s fucking rich coming from a guy that’s been stealing from the taxpayers for 21 years. All because the BLM said that he needed to reduce his grazing herd. It’s really convenient for him to stop recognizing the federal government, make false claims about historical rights of land use, and gather the support of kooks everywhere.
And that has nothing to do with the number of applicants per job opening, no sir. There are employers offering lucrative pay and benefits, even for untrained or entry level positions, to lure people off welfare and from other jobs. It’s a total labor shortage, man.
Also, I seriously question this man’s definition of freedom. Being told you’ll pick cotton or be beaten, no option to quit or strike or sue your employer, you can’t educate yourself or others, or seek education, and that someone totally has the right to send you or your family members off whenever they want… that totally sounds like more freedom than being on welfare. /sarcasm
*boggles*
What the fuck? Black people are putting young black men in jail?
His statements here make some things I’ve considered regarding this case more poignant. What if those “negros” he saw decided to band together and give an armed resistance to, let’s say, an eviction? How long would it take for the militarized police or National Guard to clear them out, body count be damned? These wahoos are standing on so much privilege it is sickening.
Hmm, hmm, hmm. Racist douchebag, hates the federal government, dishonest, illogical, oblivious to his own faults, embarrassment to his own side. Ladie and gentlemen and others, I think the vacancy so recently left by the death of Fred Phelps has been filled!
“…they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick
cottonlocks.”Fixed that for HIM. But closer to truth is not what Bundy was attempting, at all.
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I hate to be a The Daily Show shill (lying: I luv it), but Jon did an awesome takedown of Bundy lastnight, as well as all the FauxNoise looneytunes that support him.[lookin at u, Hannity]. Perfect irony, as it was Jon’s response to Hannity’s looney quasi-takedown of Jon. RiteBackAtcha, Hannity!
“they put their young men in jail because they never learned to pick cotton”??!!
Funny, I thought it was us white guys who put young black men in jail and I thought it was because, frankly, too damn many of us are racist, even the ones who aren’t blatant enough about it to say black people are better off picking cotton, and so we created minimum mandatory sentences for crack cocaine that were higher than those for powdered cocaine simply because young black men were using it. I thought it might have something to do with judges routinely giving significantly harsher sentences to young black men than to white people with similar records for similar crimes. And I thought it might have something to do with young black men having been systematically deprived of quality education, decent housing, and job opportunities, to make just a partial list.
And we can judge libertarians and assorted right wingers by how quickly they abandon him in the wake of a statement so racist that no one in their right mind could deny it.
I’m waiting. Surely they’ll all abandon him, right?
No?
@gussnarp:
Oddly, Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly are the voices of reason in the Rightwingnutosphere.
Kevin, 友好火猫 (Friendly Fire Cat) wrote:
I wouldn’t count on that. Either people won’t remember by then, or their opponents will be so invested in the perception of civility that they will refuse to remind people of the support expressed for the racist, mooching idiots.
Jacob Schmidt wrote:
<Insert obligatory racist comment about black-on-black crime here.>
Mechanisation of cotton harvesting in the USA began in earnest in the 1940s, and the resulting mass unemployment was one of the key drivers of the “Second Great Migration”.
@Kevin #13:
Have they backed off of Bundy? I find that O’Reilly does occasionally try to talk the nuttiest of the right wing off the cliff, mainly because I think he does actually like this country and its form of government, even if he’s deeply confused about and because I think he knows his audience, he’s pandering to old people with a significant number of veterans of WWII, Korea, and Vietnam who just don’t hate America the way the young libertarians do.
Beck surprises me more because his conspiracy fantasies and libertarian daydreams speak so clearly of a genuine break with reality.
But I guess he’s still selling to some of those old school conservatives, too.
I also don’t discount the likelihood that when they talk sense, it’s just an attempt to salvage just enough sanity on the right to manage to claim some small shred of credibility and win a national election.
So let me get this straight: They don’t not got no jobs, so they ain’t not got no choice but to not not put their black men in non-jail and they can’t not hang around on non-steps because they ain’t got no government subsidy.
@ D #8
There is actually a real-life and more closely matching example:
Shoshone sisters have battled against the U.S. over land and cattle
What would happen if the native people took up arms against the Federal Government? Oh, wait…
I need to hold my nose and head over to Fox or some other den of iniquity and see if I can figure out what principle Bundy’s supporters think they’re fighting for. So far I haven’t heard an explanation that has even a superficial appearance of cogency.
If they were really demonstrating because they think that the laws requiring ranchers to pay grazing fees are wrong, then I’d disagree with them, but at least I’d know where they were coming from. I’d say, “Hey, welcome to the exciting world of civil disobedience — it works better when you don’t all carry lots of guns around.”
But that doesn’t seem to be the case they’re making at all. Instead, it seems as if they’re saying that the federal government has so little legitimacy that it can no longer be permitted to enforce its own laws, whatever those laws may be. Why not? I’m not sure, but I suspect the skin color of a certain commander in chief has a lot to do with it.
Frankly, that scares the living daylights out of me.
Oh no, not an egotist!? :( I hate that.
No, you’re right. I’m not surprised at all, PZ.
And I don’t just mean the racism. I mean the rank hypocrisy. Don’t we all remember the Tea Partier types protesting against welfare, when so many of them rely on it? Who could forget gems like “Get your government hands off my Medicaid!”; well, it runs rampant with these folks.
“I need this aid, I’m a hard-working citizen who just needs a ladder to help me back up. Oh, but those other guys, screw them, kick the ladder away the moment I’m off it!”
I wonder what Bundy’s ranch hands look like. I’d assume they’d be among his supporters, but the only diversity I’ve noticed is in hair color.
(I will sincerely apologize if it turns out he hires from the projects and they were too busy taking care of the cate to participate.)
cattle
Semi-related educational side note: As a childhood fan of Bugs Bunny, I especially enjoyed Yosemite Sam’s fake swearing. I therefore thought the term “cotton-pickin'” was simply a harmless nonsense rhyming phrase thrown into the mix. No, it is not. it is a racist piece of shit with its etymology directly from the same font of sewage this guy is spewing. I did not realize this until I was in my 30s, to my shame. I am only thankful that it wasn’t a phrase I liked to use, but it was still far too long before I realized what was wrong with it. Yeesh.
“The Negro”, like some fucking nature documentary narrator talking about “the habits of the Emu” or “the mating patterns of the pengiun.” It’s almost *more* dehumanizing than if he had used the more inflammatory racial slur. And you know he was thinking the n-word, just didn’t want to say it on camera. ‘Cause that would be racist…
@carlie – Honestly, I don’t think it ever occurred to me until I read the quote above.
If guys like this make up America’s ‘heartland’ then we need a transplant more than Dick Cheney ever did.
I can’t wait to see how Sean Hannity backpedals over this.
I’ll just sit back and wait for condemnation from the Right regarding Bundy’s racist remarks.
I’m sure it’s coming any minute now.
Yup.
Any minute…
Actually, the cover story on MSN this morning was about how Republican lawmakers (Paul Ryan being the named one) are now hurriedly trying to distance themselves from this guy. Guess the rats have finally noticed that the ship is sinking.
On the general topic of cattle rustling, I highly recommend the book Irons in the Fire by John McPhee.
How long would it take for the militarized police or National Guard to clear them out, body count be damned?
The mormons still remember when the US Army was last deployed against them.
What makes you think he will? Fox News does racist dogwhistles all the time, so Bundy can be their mouthpiece. He’s just saying out loud what all those shitstains at Fox News are thinking.
Excuse me, that should have been Rand Paul, not Paul Ryan. Republican libertarian nutballs all look alike.
carlie @25:
I was a childhood fan of Bugs Bunny too. I’m ashamed to say I’d never even thought about the explicit racism in that phrase until you just pointed it out.
Yeah, just stop talking right there. Any statement opening with that phrase isn’t worth uttering. Just. Stop.
Turns out Cliven Bundy lied about everything.
He was claiming some ancestral right to 500,000 acres of BLM land.
Turns out his family never ranched there. He’s from Arizona.
His family bought the ranch in 1948. They didn’t start grazing cattle on federal land until 1954.
It doesn’t take much to be a rightwing hero. Being a common criminal and liar will do it.
The Koch brothers were up to where their hearts would be, if they had hearts, in this manufactured near catastrophe.
I suppose if you are a fascist oligarch, the militias make great goon squads. Heavily armed and very dumb.
If there had been a shootout, and there could have been one, these lower class wannabe terrorists would be dying for multi-billionaires who think they are useful idiots and doormats.
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Hekuni Cat, MQG
Yeah, the only reason I learned that early is hearing people use it as an insult. There’s no doubt about what it means when you hear it like that. I wish I’d never heard it used.
Fuck racists.
The Utah war of seccession. Which they lost. Their biggest battlefield victory was slaughtering 120 civilian men, women, and children at Mountain Meadows.
We still remember too. On the hillside above SLC, the Fort Douglas army base was built. To keep an eye on the Mormons. The guns point down at the city. It’s still there, just in case.
FWIW, Cliven Bundy is a Mormon with 14 kids who doesn’t recognize the US government. As well as a liar and common thief. Many of his supporters are also Mormons. Doesn’t take much to be a hero to the rightwing nuts.
And yet, so many people don’t get what’s wrong with the German equivalent.
*sigh*
It’s only hypocrisy when people he doesn’t like do it.
Why am I reminded of this scene from Blazing Saddles:
Be careful what you wish for. That just makes them martyrs like Waco or Ruby Ridge. It’s what they want!!!
1. The BLM/feds were right to withdraw. It could have been a pitched battle with dozens dead, some of them themselves. It’s not worth it when they can accomplish their duty some other way.
2. I’ll be surprised if someone(s) don’t get killed sooner or later over this.
3. Bundy is just a thief, running cattle and overgrazing 1/2 million acres of public land he doesn’t own. He owes $1 million.
4. I read some of the rightwing nutcase websites, indirectly through an aggregator. The militia guys just wanted to kill federal officers and didn’t care if they died doing it. The bloodlust was palpable.
I suppose if you are a Doomsday Prepper and spend decades out in the boonies waiting for jesus or whatever, and nothing ever happens, you get a little stir crazy. No point waiting for an Apocalypse, commies, jesus, Moslems, whatever, when you can make your own.
5. The BLM is going to have to come up with a Plan B. They could just put a lien on his ranch and then foreclose. He does owe $1 million. He’s also now guilty of other crimes, contempt of court, theft, interfering with the duties of law officers, and maybe death threats.
They could just put a warrant out for his arrest and wait. If he wants to sit out on his ranch forever, fine. The guy is 67. That will work until he needs medical care.
raven @#38: thank you for that link. Just makes the whole thing absolutely perfect.
Reflecting a similar mindset, yesterday on a trip through Apple Valley, CA (“California’s Ugliest Desert Community”), I spotted this campaign sign:
http://iepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Michelle-Ambrozic.jpg
(btw, check out the second subheading on Boom-boom’s website here; bwa ha!)
Just one question. When is planning on trying to be the Republican candidate for Congress of the nonexistent United States he doesn’t recognize?.
The federal grazing fee is a huge subsidy for the ranchers. They pay about 10% of the private and state rates. The BLM spends 140 million while bringing in 21 million USD. It’s simply corporate welfare.
They are paying 68 cents per animal per month A cow at auction can go for $2,000.
I spend more than that on one cat. In two days.
PS Who are also getting smeared are the other ranchers. There are 16,000 or 23,000 permit holders, depending on the source one reads. The vast majority of them obey the laws, work on their ranches, and watch TV at night. What they don’t do is steal public resources and get in armed confrontations with the feds.
Cliven Bundy is a Mormon with 14 kids who doesn’t recognize the US government
Then how can it be renting him land?
carlie @ 25
I’m with Hekuni Cat. I didn’t realize the actual context of that phrase until you brought it up. Guess I’m going to have to strike it from my personal usage.
Oh, I thought you were going to put him forward as the Republicans’ 2016 presidential candidate!
In a way, this is infuriating. Apparently they have no problem with supporting an unrepentant trespasser, thief, and terrorist who refuses to accept the legitimacy of the Constitution. But a racist unrepentant trespasser, thief, and terrorist who refuses to accept the legitimacy of the Constitution… that’s taking things just a bit too far for today’s Republican party!
Seriously, they shouldn’t be allowed to weasel out of this one so easily. They’ve basically thrown their lot in with insurrection and treason. (Literal, actual treason, as in taking up arms against the United States, not the definition they typically use, which is “Things I Don’t Like”.) They’ve delegitimized their own status as elected officials by supporting someone who does not recognize democratic authority. But hey, it’s not their fault, they couldn’t have known he was a racist traitor.
Not that they should be allowed to distance themselves from his racism either, because in this case, you can’t separate their support for his law-breaking from their cultural prejudices. If this had been some black guy living in public housing who refused to pay his rent for the last 20 years, then surrounded himself with an armed gang and threatened violence against public officials, Republicans would call for his execution. But if he’s a white, middle-aged, rural good-ole-boy, then he’s one of them, and he’s on their side because he thinks as they think.
Yes, that’ll do it. After threatening a violent confrontation with BLM officials trying to remove his cattle from federal lands, I’m sure when someone issues him a foreclosure notice and tells him he has so many days to leave, he’ll be perfectly happy to comply.
carlie @ 25
Holy hell. I didn’t realize it either until just now. Makes me fear what else I’m missing…
1. I didn’t say they should try to evict him.
2. But once he has lost title to his 160 acres in a court proceeding, he is on shakier and shakier legal ground. He could negotiate a settlement though, trade his house for keeping his cattle off of our land.
3. He is 67 and not going to live forever. The federal government will probably outlive him. They can afford to play a longer game.
If anyone has better ideas (shouldn’t be hard), let’s hear them. IMO, whatever they do, they should avoid a shootout. It’s what the militias want!!! It just makes them martyrs.
Ironically, since he gave up his grazing permit by refusing to pay it, the feds sold it to Clark county, Nevada to use as an environmental mitigation measure for industrial development elsewhere. For $350,000 which could have gone to Bundy if he wasn’t an idiot.
So one of the governments getting robbed is…Clark county, Nevada.
raven @55 is right, nothing would make those militia guys happier than an excuse to shoot someone.
I like the way he refuses to recognise the authority of the federal government, while posing on a horse with the US flag.
” I therefore thought the term “cotton-pickin’” was simply a harmless nonsense rhyming phrase thrown into the mix. No, it is not. it is a racist piece of shit with its etymology directly from the same font of sewage this guy is spewing. ”
I never thought of that either. In my defense, we never had that much cotton in Alberta when I was growing up, so I never paid much attention to who picked it. Didn’t Fred Flintstone use the same phrase, along with “razza-frazzing”?
Are you implying that he currently has some legitimate legal ground to stand on? Because the courts sure don’t think so. His legal claims are not just questionable, they’re preposterous. If all it took were a solid legal case against him, this would have been resolved 20 years ago.
The law has spoken, but he refuses to obey it and threatens to kill anyone who enforces it.
He thinks it’s his land and that the government of the United States does not exist. And for that belief, he’s apparently willing to go to war. If threatening to take away his house could work, then threatening to take away his trespassing cattle would have worked.
I wish I did. At this point I think the BLM is going to have to outsmart him in some way, like putting up a sign that says “free pork rinds” to distract him and his brownshirts while they quietly come in and confiscate everything.
Or perhaps they can just round up the cattle piecemeal, since they’re ranging over such vast acreage that Bundy-‘n-thugs can’t possibly guard them all. I have no idea why the BLM returned the cattle that they had already confiscated.
Crop dusting planes. Pepper spray.
Apparently, he is now trying to walk back his outrageous statement, saying he’d appreciate if the NY Times would retract his quotes. “I’m not a racist” Bundy is now saying on the Alex Jones show.
Like homemade chili served the next day, this is just going to get better.
There’s something to hope for at least.
Sort of off topic — When working security at a wildland fire, I occasionally have to deal with people who have a similar world view as this man. Hell, I’ve even been called a jack-booted fascist.
Not on 1/2 million acres of BLM land. Which BTW, is far more than his original grazing allotment was for.
He does own his ranch though. It’s 160 acres with water rights from the Virgin river. The press accounts say he is actually a melon grower.
He also owes the feds $1 million. They can try to collect using legal methods. It just digs his hole deeper.
They returned his cattle to avoid a bloodbath. A lot of people were going to get killed on both sides. Cows and money aren’t worth dead people.
Yeah, maybe they can just quietly round up his cattle over the winter over the years. Worth a try. But chances are, the Bundy gang might just start shooting the BLM workers as cattle rustlers. That would be murder under our laws, but clearly they don’t care about our laws. Already, the BLM only sends workers into that area in pairs because they are afraid of getting killed.
“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro…” — Cliven Bundy.
There’s a lot wrong with that opening statement, but for some reason it really bothers me that he uses “the” in front of “Negro.”
As for other conservatives supporting Bundy, some backed him up and then later (today) backed away.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/bundy-i-want-tell-you-one-more-thing
Here’s an update on Bundy’s backers, the Koch brothers fund Americans for Prosperity. AFP is backing Bundy.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/11/feds-turn-from-landlords-to-warlords-koch-group/198857
If you listen to tape of the Bundy press conference, he says, “the Nighra.”
By the way, anyone who hasn’t see the most recent court order against Bundy should check it out. Here’s the meat and potatoes (citations omitted):
Bundy’s claims are a hodgepodge of legalistic nonsense, much of which ironically requires accepting the jurisdiction of the US government that he doesn’t believe exists. Note also that even if Bundy hadn’t lied about his family ranching there since 1877, it wouldn’t change the fact that the federal government owned the land long before that, and that he’s been recently grazing on lands that neither he nor his family had ever grazed on before (hence, “New Trespass Lands”).
But my favorite is the “Maybe someone else put those cows there with my brand on them” argument. You know you’re dealing with a total fraud when he resorts to claiming that his cattle, which have every right to graze on lands he thinks are his, aren’t really his cattle.
And he’ll shoot you if you try to take them from him.
Todd Akin was doing that too, and look what happened to him. Yes, the Repiblicans may agree with Bundy’s racist views, but they don’t want to go on record as doing so. The whole point of dogwhistle politics is to hold racist views WITHOUT being called on it. Republican candidates are already withdrawing support for Bundy, and even Bill O’Reilly is questioning his legitimacy. If Hannity knows what’s good for him, he’ll follow suit.
Let’s not be so hasty about “coton pickin'”. It seems to refer to the difficulty of the activity itself, not the people doing it. Apparently it originated as a term in the 17th or 18th century, when cotton picking was done as much by whites as blacks. (Source, another source).
“Cotton picker” is a different story.
Yes, and “butthurt” alludes to the behavior of petulant children by reference to spankings. Unfortunately, it is standing doctrine that the origins or etymological meaning of a word can only be considered if they tend to support rather than rebut the position that the word is harmful and ought not to be used.
“Ignorant, ahistorical, far right wing, Mormon parasite” and “egotistical”…These are good. I also see arrogance.
“If Hannity knows what’s good for him, he’ll follow suit.”
as if Hannity is capable of “knowing” anything ;-P
Here is an idea, one by one, charge each of the chronie militiamen that showed up bearing guns with aiding and abetting the perpetuation of a crime. Deal with each person individually. Make it expensive for his supporters. When the support melts away, arrest him. He must be arrested or we are no longer a nation of laws.
Bundy is a racist, thief, coward, etc. No surprise that he’s a Christian too.
I admit I haven’t read all the comments, and refuse to watch Faux Noz. From what I have heard (take that for whatever you will) Bundy is also claiming to be a Sovereign Citizen.
Does that mean he has de facto renounced his US Citizenship? If so, then isn’t he in the position (I’m sure the militia types backing him will love this) of an undocumented Mexican rancher running his cattle up to graze? Has he voted?
A couple A10’s could reduce his herd.
Imagine if everything else in this story was the same, except for the rancher in question being named Carlos Barrera. The crowd who support Bundy would probably be upset that the BLM hadn’t gone after him years ago, and Fox News would ignore the story completely.
shadow, the Sovereign Citizens believe they have all the rights. They also believe they get to carve out their share of gubmint property. But they don’t have to follow any laws they don’t want to. It’s closely tied in with the militia movement, White separatism (only Whites are real citizens. The mud people are merely “14th Amendment citizens”), the tax protest movement, neo-Confederatism, the gibbertarians and a bunch of other right wing causes.
Here’s the rationalwiki:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizens_movement
And the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement
Did Bundy miss the history of late 20th century agriculture? People haven’t picked cotton by hand since the 1950s. And then it was more likely to be done by poor white sharecroppers than by blacks (many of whom had an aversion for the job — gotta wonder why).
He could easily live another 20 years.
Do you really mean they should shoot the animals dead, in cold blood, all because their owner happens to be a fuck head? That’s not okay.
Is that kettle logic or cattle logic?
Why not?
For all the damage he has done to the ecosystem, the least he can do is give the nutrients of his current herd back to the landscape.
“Back to the landscape”? How does that work? That’s not how it would work.
robertfoster #79
Certainly still hand picking in the 60s, and maybe 70s, in southwest Georgia. Pretty poor down there, so slow to get into new technology. I recall the first mechanical cotton pickers coming into the area in the early 60s, but there were few of them and they were not well regarded by the old farmers.
Everybody picked cotton down there: white and black side-by-side, old and young, even the preacher. It was hard work, the little I did. I had a cousin who picked cotton on his knees one summer because of a foot injury, and he still picked more than anyone.
“cotton-pickin” — FWIW I grew up hearing this phrase in the South, of course, and I never heard it used in a knowingly racist way. I believe it was always used as a Southerner self-parody of hick speak in the form “wait a cotton pickin’ minute” and sometimes expanded into “…wait a cotton pickin’ cat haired minute.” I never heard “cotton picker” used derogatorily either, at least not in a specially racist way. Perhaps that’s because as I said everyone picked cotton. In any case, they had plenty of other racist slurs to sling around and they did.
How does that work?
Uh, pretty simple really. Kill cows from the air with A10s (or a cheaper option, from helicopters with a rifle). Cows fall to the ground dead. Coyotes and other large scavengers have their fill. Decomposers move in and digest the rest. Nutrients get cycled back into the landscape like salmon in the boreal forest.
Did you miss the food web lesson in grade school?
stassipost:
Do your comments have a point?
I think his point was that white democrats can be as racist as white republicans.
No fucking shit.
Christopher:
Yeah, I think so. Maybe xe thinks saying “but these guys do it too” is some sort of defense.
Also, stassipost appears to be a theist. One who needs to brush up on a lot of reading material.
No, but given Bundy’s racism, Clarke County should capture and slaughter the cattle, and give the meat to food banks in neighborhoods of high hispanic/latino/black population density. And graciously concede a dollar per animal donation charity donation to Mr. Bundy.
Yawn, trolling troll is boring.
Wow, now he is moving on to non-white people can be racist too with a bit of no-true-scotsman thrown in.
Golf clap.
What’s next, showing racism like behavior in other mammals?
Oh, I see, stassipost is looking to get banned for mindless repetitive nonsense.
Once again “these other guys do it too” is not a defense. This thread is about one racist asshole-Cliven Bundy. It’s not “Open thread to discuss racist comments made by people stassipost wants to talk about”
hey stassipost wasn’t the East German secret police named the Stassi? Is that where you got y’r name?
uncle frogy
unclefrogy:
given the hate for FreeThoughtBlogs in general, and PZ specifically, a commenter with any variation of “stasi” in their nym sends up red flags for me…
stassipost, you really need to work on your trolling. But you’re persistent.
2/10
Try harder next time.
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha.
The first clue for a boring troll….
Enough with the troll and with quoted with no citation. Sam Seder has a report on a right-wing spin doctor trying to salvage Bundy’s rep.
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjIV6uy3b_U&w=560&h=315%5D
In a later video, Bundy has double downed on his racist remarks. The man is an idiot and Republicans who supported him should be run out of office. Shouldn’t you investigate someone before supporting him wholeheartedly and holding him up as a patriot and a hero? What does it say about the Republican party that its supporters rally around such douche bags like Zimmerman, Phil Robertson, Ted Nugent and now Bundy?
And I would like to figure out which world Bundy is living in when he believes that under slavery “Negroes” lived idyllic, genteel lives. He needs to watch 12 YEARS A SLAVE or ROOTS, just for starters.
stassipost #104
Stop it.
As stassipost showed in #104, brain dead, conservative, godbots only know how to double down on bad hands.
Boring irrelevant fuckwitted troll is boring —>Hushfile, for terminal fuckwittery….
By the bye, PZ, “peckerwood” is on the same level as “kike”, “slope” or “greaser”. It may not be the Unspeakable N-Word, but it’s right up there in terms of aggressive and derogatory intent.
No it isn’t.
http://vkb.isvg.org/Wiki/Groups/Peckerwood
When white power groups self identify with that name with pride it is fine to use said name to describe said members of said groups.
“They abort their young children…”. Shouldn’t they wait and abort their teens? Or is that a late-term abortion?
Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls wrote:
Oh come on!! He hasn’t even gotten to the part about how since the Republican party is the “Party of Lincoln”, who freed the slaves (although they will inevitably argue later that he totally shouldn’t have done that because it was a gross excess of government power or something), that this grants them a permanent, irrevocable “Not Racist” card.
Bundy is wearing what appears to be a buffalo-nickel belt. I wonder where he thinks the coins came from?
Stassipost sez:
“Clearly … insinuating”? The point is that the old racial-intolerance patriotism that used to ride with the Klan, is now found in the Republican party. The fact that the political parties have swapped places on some issues is well known, and Democrats are now the racially-diverse group … it happens, it happened.
Obviously, Stassipost, you are a troll, and not a very good one.
stassipost:
Quite the deep thinker we have here.
Someone is ignorant of how deeply racism is embedded in the GOP.
Rachel Maddow just (4/24 @ about 9:15pm EDT) did a great segment about this and how far far far right wing this guy is, and how we have to hope that those who gave this guy a platform were just woefully ignorant about what he was really standing for. Because the alternative is that they knew this guy was anti-USAn and they gave him a platform anyway. And her last screen on the TV, as she said this, showed 7 clips of interviews/press conferences with 4 of them containing Hannity.
Stewart on Bundy; great stuff; plenty of Hannity-mockery:
Pt. 1: http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/v4jh6e/apocalypse-cow
Pt. 2: http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ucrk7y/apocalypse-cow—welfare-rancher
Stassipost is living in xe’s own isolated world. The difference is not the remarks, the difference is what happened next. Present day Democrats have apologized and been embarrassed by their thoughtless gaffs. Present day Republicans circle the wagons and defend their mistakes- and stand by them, which indicates these are beliefs and not mistakes.
Obama gaffe with apology
http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/europe/230419-obama-letter-says-he-regrets-polish-death-camp-gaffe
Jessie Jackson gaffe with apology
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/frenzy/jackson.htm
Dan Rather gaffe with apology
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-dickens/2010/03/08/dan-rather-articulate-obama-couldnt-even-sell-watermelons
Stassipost might notice the subtle difference.
One of the thinks I like best about this it shows once again what an incredible fucking dumbass right wingers like Sean Hannity are, and how he is now on record having defended an outspoken racist not to mention public thief. But Hannity’s millions of idiotic trolls will probably still be watching and listening and eating up every contortion he vomits out to rationalize and justify himself. If a liberal progressive made such a public defense of an equivalent asshole, his career would be over immediately, but things don’t work like that with right wingers – witness Sarah Palin.
Also, am I waking up from a nightmare and it’s 1855. Darwin hasn’t written the Origin of Species yet, and racism is OK. Why is anyone in this day and age defending this guy? Why does anyone even talk like this much less think like this? Oh yeah, racism is OK if you can defend it in the guise of conservative principles like its done in a thousand different subtle and not so subtle ways such as with the recent SC ruling on affirmative action.
Cliven Bundy? All I’m getting is Al Bundy.
No, I’m wrong. Al Bundy was a much deeper thinker.
I’da guessed Ted, myself.
Christopher, yes it is. It was originally all about poor, ignorant Southern farmers. But now it’s replaced “honky” as the go-to generic Black insult for White people, at least in large parts of the country.
In California, being a peckerwood means that you are associated with white power prison gangs.
When you are trying to insult a honky ass cracker for being racist as fuck, it is a great word.
And for a current cultural reference to the use of peckerwood, I point you to the Sons of Anarchy where the slightly racist, all white biker gang calls the hard core white power gang members peckerwoods. Even cracker ass honkys know that peckerwoods are a breed apart.
“If there had been a shootout, and there could have been one, these lower class wannabe terrorists would be dying for multi-billionaires who think they are useful idiots and doormats.”
You have just described the period 1860-1865. A small plantation-owning class manipulating the peons and using them for cannon fodder.
I first cam acrossthe word “peckerwood” in the books about Louisiana detective David Robicheaux.
Why can’t those lazy black people just do what Bundy did? Inherit a family business and then steal public land to run it on. It’s not that hard.
derail alert: I’ve seen this clip many times of the “stradgedy” the militias are planning for the day against the “rogue Feds”. They are very proud of their “straddegy” to line all the wimmenz as a front row between them and the Feds, so cameras will see the wimmenz being shot by the rogue feds. blah, blah, yada yada…
I can’t stop thinking of how muzlim terroristas were total cowards, hiding behind human shields, that Merican Heroes could not avoid shooting, and if/when it happened, it was purely by accident. I’m sure Bundy will be overjoyed to know that his ‘protectors’ are using muzlim-terrorista tactics to defend his gawd-given right to graze his kattle wherever he wants.
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“I don’t recognize the Federal Government as even existing.” He says it like it is a ‘free pass’ to disregard any law he doesn’t like. How does that work? I’ve always wanted to disregard the national speed limit. I’d love to tell a State Trooper that the speed limit is irrelevant cuz I don’t recognize the Feds as even existing.
Bundy is such a rolemodel. ;-(
twas brillig @ #128:
They’re such brilliant stradgetists, all right. No one could possibly have ever thought of anything like that in the history of the world. Their innovativeness knows no bounds!
(Takes me back to war protests from 45 years ago—”Chicks in front!”)
Because that was the hallmark of slavery: the uniquely stable family life it provided. Families who were enslaved didn’t live under the constant threat of separation. Couples were never forced apart. Children were never taken away from their parents. Nope, it was all biologically related nuclear families from cradle to grave.
… as chattels – breeding stock etc. – for the owner and his family. Ergo, a place in “family life”, QED.
@Twas Brillig
I wonder if he’ll admit they exist if/when they throw his arse in jail?
Everybody knows that Washington doesn’t really exist. It’s all a big hoax. These thugs trying to take his land are just taking advantage of the hoax to claim authority.
“the ignorant, ahistorical, far right wing, Mormon parasite”
And if anyone is qualified to identify a parasite, surely it’s P.Z.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/radical-racist-context-missed-in-rancher-hype-236481603620
Rachel Maddow points out that Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s racist remarks are unsurprising in the context of his apparent adherence to the philosophy of the Posse Comitatus and Sovereign Citizen movements, rooted in post-Civil War reconstruction.
This is the best coverage of this issue by far.
Speaking of Alex Jones, Sean Hannity and other rightwing pundits focusing on Cliven Bundy, I’d just like to point out that after Bundy used the term “pick cotton” in his dismaying remarks about blacks, Bundy was interviewed by his rightwing friends and given the opportunity to deny what he had said. “I never said ‘pick cotton'” — he went on to say that he was talking about work and work training in general and that the media had twisted his words (as PZ’s update indicates).
Yeah, but then there was that video proving the NYT journalists got the quotes exactly right. Bundy is the kind of guy who thinks he can lie about what he just said and no one will notice?
Audio tape of him lying is juxtaposed with video of him saying “pick cotton” in the Rachel Maddow segment.
We’re done with this guy, right? He should be in jail.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/steve-benson/2014/04/25/racist-rancher-rants-benson/8137601/
Cartoon from ex-mormon and Pulitzer Prize winner Steve Benson. Steve is the grandson of former mormon prophet, Ezra Taft Benson. E.T. Benson was a notorious racist and was also the mormon prophet during some of Clive Bundy’s adult life. See, for example, E.T. Benson’s speech “Civil Rights: Tool of Communist Deception.”
Prophet Benson and Cleon Skousen shared the opinion that Martin Luther King Day was a holiday that honored “a man who courted violence and night-riding and broke the law to achieve his purposes; who found it expedient openly to collaborate with totalitarian Communism; and whose personal life was so revolting that it cannot be discussed.”
Interestingly, it is likely that Bundy’s connections to Arizona strengthened his ties to Skousen and to mormon flavors of racism. [Bundyville, Arizona] Impeached Arizona governor, Evan Mecham was a close friend of Cleon Skousen, and a fellow mormon.
(Media Watch, Daily Kos, and New Corps, among others posted this news.)
From the “slavery was good for blacks” category: “If the pickaninnies ran naked it was generally from choice, and when the white boys had to put on shoes and go away to school they were likely to envy the freedom of their colored playmates.” — Cleon Skousen
Fringe institutions of purported higher learning still teach Skousen-ism in Utah, including some colleges partially funded by the Romney family.
More insider mormon racist info from Steve Benson:
Skousen and mormon Prophet Benson also joined forces to battle the forces of “satanic” rock music, as Steve Benson reported. Someone needs to ask Clive Bundy what he thinks of rock & roll music.
Stephen Colbert sings the Ballad of Cliven Bundy. Scroll down for video.
Cliven Bundy dug the hole deeper on CNN this morning:
More here. There’s a long ramble about Rosa Parks and where she sits on the bus in addition to the “black boy” comment.
http://thinkprogress.org/media/2014/04/25/3430830/cliven-bundy-mlk/
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/04/23/3429758/bundy-militia/
Alan Keyes says liberals are the real racists, not Cliven Bundy.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/alan-keyes-absolves-cliven-bundy-racism-says-liberals-are-real-racists
“Cotton-pickin'” may have unfortunate origins, but “rassen-fressen” is Yiddish. That Yosemite Sam, he’s a complex guy.
WorldNetDaily defends Cliven Bundy as a victim of entrapment when it comes to Bundy’s racist comments:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/wnd-defends-cliven-bundy-victim-entrapment-communism
Okay ….
Hoping for coverage of the party for blacks and Latinos.
Erik Rush Fears Federal Plot To Put Cliven Bundy In A FEMA Camp And Seize Control Of The Food Supply — quoted from http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/erik-rush-fears-federal-plot-put-cliven-bundy-fema-camp-and-seize-control-food-supply
This is a follow up to post #65, even the Koch brothers-funded AFP is now running away from Bundy:
Media Matters still has examples of the deleted material:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/11/feds-turn-from-landlords-to-warlords-koch-group/198857
Lynna (#135)
Holy shit, that was great. And I love the way she threw it all in the faces of the conservative politicians and media, driving in just how much support they’ve given the guy and saying that the best case scenario is they’re incompetent idiots.
A. Noyd @147:
Yes, I’m with you there.
I liked the details about the bogus “Constitution” Bundy carries around with him.
Hannity of Fox News was especially guilty of trying to egg Bundy and his cohorts on to greater expressions of violence, or near violence. Hannity didn’t like it when things started to calm down.
More on this when I have a link, but Steve Benson just noted on another forum that Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona is meeting with one of Bundy’s sons that lives in the Phoenix area.
From Steve Benson’s post:
wait, what? why is Arpaio still a functioning sheriff? isn’t he the subject of several civil rights lawsuits and criminal court cases?
@Ed Seedhouse,
Pathetic trolling attempt. You could at least put some effort into it.
Arpaio is the subject of a documentary. The sheriff tends to go with the “all publicity is good publicity” attitude:
NY Times link.
I swear, parts of the US are becoming more and more like watching an old episode of the Dukes of Hazard.
without the comedy.
who needs sitcom writers any more?
Ed Seedhouse@134,
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Well… he is a biologist after all.