I’ll be teaching cell biology next fall. Should I be worried?
Little girl: Sings "Jesus loves me"
Teacher: "Uh, no Sally. That's…uh, that's wrong. The powerhouse of the cell is actually the mitochondria."
Little girl looks stunned.
Cut to teacher being burned at the stake.
Good thing Christianity is based on love of your fellow man. Or else we would be in a world of hurt.
Next: Some douchenozzle in a relativity class yells “Jew science!” and hops on the Reichgrifter bandwagon.
Pretty much my read of the Oklahoma situation.
…And I get unpleasant flashbacks to some grade school teacher who electro-branded crosses into his students to prove electricity comes from Jesus or something. And forced a Muslim student to eat pork in class. And all the fundies defending him trying to play it down as “They just kicked him out for the bible on his desk!”
I suggest using this jingle when it comes up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHWEGsic1Q4
Recursive Rabbit, student causes a TA to be removed, and that reminds you of teachers mistreating children??
(Interesting inversion)
John @5: Arsehole ideologues are arsehole ideologues, no matter which end of the classroom they face.
Glad my teaching days are long behind me. This crap is coming to Australia soon. Science (especially, but not only, Biology) is going down the tubes.
Rob, spurious, unsourced vaguely recollected apocrypha are also spurious, unsourced anecdotes.
On the science vs religion axes, the alleged cross-branding is hardly religion rather than science.
Power differencial aspect not inconsiderable (student::teacher), legality, outcomes… all those clash.
But sure, both are about religious people pushing their religion via religious theatrel the one misuses a scientific artefact, the other ignores science altogether.
(Gotta wish they’d get the same treatment as Sovereign Citizens, no?)
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PS ‘interesting’ ≠ ‘bad’ or ‘wrong’. Can’t dispute perceptions.
[oops] ‘theatrel’ → ‘theatre:’, and also I was too oblique, I think. To clarify:
religious entitlement : sovereign‑cit entitlement :: socially sanctioned : socially rejected]
That was the John Freshwater case that I reported here. It’s more than “alleged,” Freshwater lost a hearing, was fired, and lost multiple appeals.
Exactly, PZ. The inverse of it.
One student, Zachary, got the cross. Others did get burned, but not so overtly:
https://religiondispatches.org/the-evolving-story-of-teacher-who-burned-cross-into-students-arm/
As I noted, when I think of a teacher being sacked for being religious, I don’t think of a teacher being sacked for not placating the religious. In one case, the teacher was the victim, in the other, the student.
(Freshwater was never charged or convicted, he just lost his job)
This seems to be a good time to remind people just how violent and vicious fundie xians can be.
When they were trying to force creationism into public schools, they also simultaneously went on a witch hunt and purged all the evolutionary biologists from their private schools and colleges.
I long ago lost track of how many death threats I got from them. It was over a 100 at least.
This is an old post from 2011,
FWIW, fundie xians can and occasionally are violent. This vandalism in Florida is just more xian terrorism.
Below is an old list of their other victims. It is long and getting longer all the time.
The real story is the persecution of scientists by Fundie Xian Death cultists, who have fired, harassed, beaten up, and killed evolutionary biologists and their supporters whenever they can.
http://www.sunclipse.org/?p=626 [link goes to Blake Stacey’s blog which has a must read essay with documentation of the cases below.]
Posting the list of who is really being beaten up, threatened, fired, attempted to be fired, and killed. Not surprisingly, it is scientists and science supporters by Death Cultists.
If anyone has more info add it. Also feel free to borrow or steal the list.
I thought I’d post all the firings of professors and state officials for teaching or accepting evolution.
2 professors fired, Bitterman (SW CC Iowa) and Bolyanatz (Wheaton)
1 persecuted unmercifully Richard Colling (Olivet) Now resigned under pressure.
1 persecuted unmercifully for 4 years Van Till (Calvin)
1 attempted firing Murphy (Fuller Theological by Phillip Johnson IDist)
1 successful death threats, assaults harrasment Gwen Pearson (UT Permian)
1 state official fired Chris Comer (Texas)
1 assault, fired from dept. Chair Paul Mirecki (U. of Kansas)
1 killed, Rudi Boa, Biomedical Student (Scotland)
1 fired Brucke Waltke noted biblical scholar
Biology Department fired, La Sierra SDA University
1 attempted persecution Richard Dawkins by the Oklahoma state legislature
Vandalism Florida Museum of Natural History
Death Threats Eric Pianka UT Austin and the Texas
Academy of Science engineered by a hostile, bizarre IDist named Bill Dembski
Death Threats Michael Korn, fugitive from justice, towards the UC Boulder biology department and miscellaneous evolutionary biologists.
Death Threats Judge Jones Dover trial. He was under federal marshall protection for a while
Up to 16 with little effort. Probably there are more. I turned up a new one with a simple internet search. Haven’t even gotten to the secondary science school teachers.
And the Liars of Expelled, the movie have the nerve to scream persecution. On body counts the creos are way ahead.
These days, fundie xian is synonymous with liar, ignorant, stupid, and sometimes killer.
In New Zealand, they are having a problem with “The Maori Way Of Knowing” being held equal to Western science and being jammed into NZ science classes. Legends of times long ago when whales walked among their brothers the trees New Zealand is having troubles with some trees suffering from fungal blights Maori cure for this is to play recorded whale songs to cure the trees. In Australia, Aborigine tribes are now beginning to demand Aborigine lore be held as equal to Western science. Muslim fanatics tell us all modern science can be found in the Quran. Meanwhile, American freshmen college students are often not capable of sixth grade basic math. Devo was right, we are devolving.
cheerfulcharlie, rather slanted and distorted is your comment.
I can provide actual facts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listener_letter_on_science (the origin);
https://www.deakin.edu.au/research/research-news-and-publications/articles/why-are-first-nations-perspectives-sidelined-in-our-science-curriculum (aussie side);
I also get dogwhistles:
“Muslim fanatics tell us all modern science can be found in the Quran. Meanwhile, American freshmen college students are often not capable of sixth grade basic math”.
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BTW: “We are not men, we are Devo” was never a diagnosis of evolution/devolution, rather it was a piece of art‑punk satire. Flowerpots for hats kinda gave that away.
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Just remember, those societies were around long before the ‘Enlightenment’.
@14,
John, it sounds as though you have only a superficial knowledge of what Devo was all about. Having read/watched numerous interviews with Gerry Casale and Bob Mothersbaugh, I’d say you’re missing the truth behind the “satire”. But this is just a side note to the main post, and not worth much…
As far as the original cartoon is concerned, yes, “little ones to him belong”. Especially the little ones with cancer. They all belong to him because apparently he has the power to cure them but refuses to do so in spite of the entreaties of their parents and families, or general ethical questions regarding the treatment of suffering innocents.
@3. Recursive Rabbit :
What. The. Fuck!?
That’s sick – and literally criminal. (Assault, hate crime.)
jimf: “John, it sounds as though you have only a superficial knowledge of what Devo was all about.”
I don’t doubt it does to you.
Yes. All I did is listen to their stuff, thanks to a flatmate, during the period they were active.
But I am not a scholar of music, so yeah. I for sure lack academic knowledge.
Please, do tell me where I fall short, since you position yourself as more knowledgeable than I.
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I take it your second paragraph is not addressed to me.
(Is it?)
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No. Words mean things.
I do get what you intend to express, but it’s rather flawed.
For you:
because apparently he has the power
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because allegedly he has the power
(See? that does not concede ‘he’ APPARENTLY has that power thereby, unlike your formulation)
StevoR @16, cf. my #11.
I quote therefrom:
well it is too bad that there are such people pushing against truth and reality over belief they also are picky about history and economics as well as science. As for science not everybody is forging their way back toward ignorance some other nations are going right ahead without us.
With the LGBTQI rainbow behind that sweet little Christian zealot-in-training, Joe Flanders, the cartoonist might end up on the stake alongside the teacher.
And for cheerfulcharlie “In Australia, Aborigine tribes are now beginning to demand Aborigine lore be held as equal to Western science.” It was western science that was used to justify attempts to exterminate aborigines. Aboriginal lore relates to their cultural practices. They had a sophisticated astronomy, constructing observatories to observe the positions of the solstices and equinox several thousand years before Stonehenge. Their practice of cultural burning is now use to regulate build up of fuel to prevent or minimise the effects of the bushfires which the application of Western technology in the form of fossil fuels have made much more frequent and extreme.
@cheerfulcharlie
It’s Aboriginal, and there are far more success stories about the incorporation of Indigenous knowledge into land management practices than failures. Your selective citations are the equivalent of me citing LLM BS to prove failure of “Western science”
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Not surprising that British settlers in Australia encountered areas shaped by Aboriginal bushtucker practices, but didn’t recognise they were a natural landscape shaped by tens of thousands of years of magagement.
I’ve in the past noted how, best as I can tell, songlines function as mnemonic systems not limited to geography, water, seasonal movement, law, kinship, ceremony, and (rather importantly) spatial–narrative systems that embed fine‑grained ecological knowledge, including the habitual ranges, seasonal shifts, breeding cycles, and predictable movement corridors of animals.
They’ve been around for literally tens of thousands of years, literally shaped the landscape in the inhabitable regions. And that was not by accident.
Put it this way; not writing, more like people remembering dance steps or lyrics to songs. Just makes it easy. Living knowledge.
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Sheesh, I am Spanish-born and Aussie-naturalised and I still get that.
Gotta give it due respect, not derision.
[those funny dance patterns? Lines on the sand?
It’s what the tracks of various animals look like, how to track’em]
Crossposted from the infinite thread.
I just want to show a relaxed and very cool bishop they have in Britain.
The ambient culture does not favor the religious kooks that unfortuna-tely thrive on your side of the ocean.
“Have I Got News for You S70E9 | Hannah Fry”
.https://youtube.com/watch?v=YBozFhDKvq8
birgerjohansson @ 24. Alas that video in not viewable in the UK: note says:-
“Video unavailable: This video contains content from LDS, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds”
Wow, these mormons are sure getting tech savvy!
cheerfulcharlie–
That is complete horseshit about Australian aboriginal groups. I am not as familiar with NZ, but I would find it hard to believe NZ forestry agencies are playing whale songs to treat fungal blights even if you hadn’t blotted your copybook with that rubbish about Australia. Do you have any references for your statements?
Isn’t the logical endpoint of affording a person’s beliefs — although they may be false, even demonstrably so — equal credence with established fact, “Your honour, he was a devout Christian, and also a deeply unhappy man; for he spoke of little but the sinners that beset him on all sides, and how they were bound for Hell if they did not allow the Holy Spirit into their souls; whereas he, unafraid as he was to do the Lord’s work, would be assured a place in Heaven, at the right side of Jesus for all Eternity. As indeed he promised to all who mended their ways and turned to the Lord. Therefore, your honour, I submit to you that I have actually done him a service, by elevating him from a state of abject misery on Earth to one of eternal joy in Heaven, which according to his own beliefs must count as an improvement; and for that, I deserve no punishment. I humbly beg, your honour, that the case against me be dismissed.” ?
General Boy: Booji Boy, did you get the papers the China man gave you?
Booji Boy: Yes, And we are all devolving and everything!
– Joko Homo
@ChrisLawson.
Jerry Coyne has recently extensively commented on New Zealand’s Maori nonsense, including bizarre claims about ancient whales walking among their brothers the trees. And suggestions to play whale songs to the trees to cure their fungal infections.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/whalesong_trees
@ 29
Well, if your source Jerry Coyne, that explains where you got the racist horse shit you are currently shoveling.
cheerfulcharlie @29: Maybe you have a point, but when your main sources are Jerry Coyne and a dodgy right-wing pressure group (New Zealand Taxpayers’ Union), you should look for better sources.
Isn’t calling indigenous Australians “Aboriginals” considered a racial slur now?
Jerry Coyne repeatedly quoted original sources about silly Maori nonsense. Sorry that isn’t good enough for some here. Spending millions in taxpayer money for goofy weirdness is OK with you guys?
https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/working-towards-an-australian-first-nations-periodic-table/4020890.article
Nowhere in the article @33 does it mention spending any taxpayer dollars, much less millions. Talking to elders isn’t some hugely expensive exercise, unlike building AI server farms.
I don’t see a problem with creating a periodic table that reflects the indigenous knowledge. It’s a linguistic concept, nobody is changing chemistry.
@ 33
No, it wouldn’t be. But that’s not what is happening right in this case.
Fuck off.
I posted a link above.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/whalesong_trees
The Taxpayers’ Union can reveal through an Official Information Act request that Landcare Research gave $4,027,020 on the Oranga (Wellbeing) Project – including treating Kauri dieback with potions made from Whale-oil and music from whale song (yes, seriously) as part of the MBIE-administered National Science Challenges.
Wheeeeeeeee! Anybody good with this waste of money? This would be nauseating if it wasn’t so funny.
The whale song is merely one aspect of the Oranga Project. It also includes public outreach, education programs, and working with the indigenous communities to monitor and preserve their natural habitat.
A seed bank and multiple monitoring stations have been established as part of this years long effort, and it is well documented that sound does indeed have a measurable effect on plant health. I see no problem with the indigenous NZ people wanting to include their own understanding and traditions into their land use plan via whale song. It isn’t the ONLY thing they are doing, and it gets the locals committed and involved with conservation efforts.
https://www.kauriprotection.co.nz/
Actual official site.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Taxpayers%27_Union
Conservative pressure group.
For someone who pretends to support science, your epistemology is rather suspect, cheerfulcharlie.
Educating the public about the efficiency of whale oil and whale songs to heal dying trees. Right. Who could possibly argue that this is nonsense? Every civilization has its own local knowledge about plants, wildlife, agriculture et al. Inca, Aztec, European, ancient Greece, India, China, and on and on. But none of these are quite science as we know it know which is techniques for gaining knowledge of the natural world. This started with optics. In Europe, by the 13th century, some unknown genius created eyeglasses, reading glasses. That quickly became a big business. By 1608, telescopes were invented by glasses makers. Then microscopes. You cannot do good astronomy or cosmology without decent telescopes. Or biology without good microscopes. You cannot do true science without technology like this. Western science took on a far different and sophisticated nature from the rest of the world at this point. A playing whale songs to sick trees ain’t science.
The ancient Greek word science meant collective knowledge of a subject. You could have a science of sheep herding, cabbage growing or shoe cobbling. Maori way of knowledge is of this sort. Not in the Western WAY of doing science. Which became defined as such in 1840 by William Whewell.
This is all beginning to feel like a bad Monty Python sketch.
Primary sources are best. https://www.mbie.govt.nz/dmsdocument/30581-request-for-oia-responses-on-the-oranga-wellbeing-research-project
The claim initially was ‘In New Zealand, they are having a problem with “The Maori Way Of Knowing” being held equal to Western science and being jammed into NZ science classes.’
Care to show how the school curriculum has been thus changed in NZ science classes?
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‘This is all beginning to feel like a bad Monty Python sketch’
A bad one, eh? Heh.
The original claim: ” In Australia, Aborigine tribes are now beginning to demand Aborigine lore be held as equal to Western science.”
From your link @33, this is what you misrepresented:
What with the refusal to regulate access to guns and refusal to force owners to learn how to safely store and use them? That is because the mass-murdered are the people that they would love to burn at the stake. This cartoon is meant to be funny as if: they already aren’t doing that.
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Me @17: Please, do tell me where I fall short, since you position yourself as more knowledgeable than I.
You (cheerfulcharlie) @28:
Belated, and underwhelming.
I am vindicated thereby, not falling short!
Art‑punk satire it clearly is. https://devo.fandom.com/wiki/Jocko_Homo
But hey, I can even clickety-click!
https://www.treblezine.com/devo-gerald-casale-interview-documentary/
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I wonder how many millions of taxpayer dollars have gone into researching controlling phytopthera blight via traditional chemical treatments?
None have worked, which is why a small percentage of the research funds were used to research untraditional methods as used by the indigenous residents of the forests.
[OT, but this is already debouched from entitled Christians affecting neutral teachers by tacit support from the Powers That Be, no?]
So. I offer: https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Ending-arbitrary-and-indefinite-offshore-detention.docx.pdf
Wanna talk about waste? How about, um, evil waste?
Since Charlie brought up Jerry Coyne, how many millions have been wasted on evolutionary biology? Or upholding western notions of binary sex?
If you want to find real waste in society maybe look at all the stuff done to keep shitty white cis men happy
@microraptor, Re Indigenous Australians
(Note; I’m white, but I’ve worked closely with Koori people. So this isn’t absolute)
It really depends on the context. For example there are Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisations, or to talk about Aboriginal people using a service when you don’t know the specific nation or people they’re from. However Torres Strait Islanders are not included in with Aboriginal peoples, so if referring to all Indigenous Australians you have to say Indigenous Australians. Or Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders
You may also see Blak used by various Indigenous people. This is a distinct identity from Black in the USA context
Aborigine is not used, and is often a good clue you’re dealing with a racist shit
microraptor@32–
AIATSIS on best language use
In short: “Aborigine” is considered offensive because of its roots in ethnology. “Aboriginal” or “Torres Strait Islander” are acceptable as broadly inclusive terms. “First Nations” is a good alternative. “Indigenous” is out of favour because it is too generic, but it is still OK to use “Indigenous Australians” when discussing both Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island peoples as a whole. Regional names are good if you get it right (traditional territories do not coincide with contemporary borders, and just because someone lives in a traditional area doesn’t mean their ancestry is local).
Where possible, it is best to ask people how they wish to be identified.
[For clarity: The three letter term a-term is the social equivalent here of the n-term in the US]
I think Cheerfulcharlie is doing us a great service here: first they cite Jerrry Coyne, so we can all be aware of just how badly they choose their sources of knowledge.
Then they give a perfect example to show us the results of the kind of indoctrination shown in the cartoon posted by PZ above. Some conservative/fundy pressure group selectively makes a case against [policy/discipline/person] usually by distorting, twisting or outright lying about events. Then they broadcast their dishonest talking points widely through paid or sympathetic channels that understand the grift. Finally it lands in the ear of an idiot, who repeats the half-baked talking points – usually adding their own layer of deceptive and emotional manipulation.
In Charlie’s mind, the entire $4mm was spent on whale oil and singing to trees. They believe this because it’s a good talking point for them, and that’s the only thing they care about. They’re not interested in digging deeper into the issue – why would they? All that could do is reduce the effective power of the talking point. I have absolute faith that despite everyone here pointing out the flaws in their argument, they will continue to repeat it without allowing a scintilla of nuance to enter their presentation.
The point of the argument is clearly not any of the alleged facts that Charlie brought up. Those facts don’t matter. The bigotry is the point, and only facts that serve their goals will be admitted.
@SnarkHunter
In Charlie’s mind, the entire $4mm was spent on whale oil and singing to trees.
When did I write that? Still, doing that is a whacky waste of tax payer money, or does anybody think it is a good way to spend tax payer money? Does the fact this tax payer union leans right make wasting money singing to trees OK? Does labelling this singing to trees
Some conservative/fundy pressure group selectively makes a case against [policy/discipline/person] usually by distorting, twisting or outright lying about events.
Have you demonstrated anybody is lying about this silly whale song project? And just where do we draw the line at such prime nonsense being paid for by taxpayers for some bizarre reason, whatever that is?
Isn’t it amazing that MS-13 is being killed for pushing drugs and being all murdery and gangy and christians get a tax write off for more or less the same concept?
More about this nonsense from the Tax Payer Union. Lawsuits are flying to silence the Tax Payers Union. Transparency is seen as undesirable.
https://theprogressreport.co.nz/emails/4428/
well I do have a question about whale song thing. Out of the whole budget mentioned allocated for whole project is there anywhere that the funds are broken-out to show what of the many aspects how much was spent on each and over what period of time? As has been pointed out it is really easy to grab a few scattered details and build mountains of B.S. by people who are motivated enough it is harder to get in-depth details and evidence especially about money and how it was spent.
I know. By your own words are you condemned.
Yet I did give you primary documents to peruse, which you eschewed.
I gave you the FOI datum, for example.
You, of course, keep going back to pure propaganda.
(I also linked to what the Taxpayers’ Union in NZ is, but you care not to see it)
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And you are clueless about Devo, too. Evidently.
https://www.scifidimensions.com/what-is-the-deeper-meaning-of-the-complete-truth-about-de-evolution/
The irony is strong:
(The First Peoples did not succumb to unchecked consumerism, conformity, and reliance on technology)
That’s on us)
The original claim: — fact: nope.
The original claim: — fact: nope.
(All you can come up with is counterfeit Coynage instead)
@ John Morales, #55: People living a stone-age lifestyle are more dependent on technology than us all-electric Westerners, not less.
If they somehow lost the ability to make fire, or fashion simple weapons from stone and bone, they would be considerably worse off than we would be if we somehow lost the ability to build an AI chatbot, or even build cars with internal combustion engines.
bluerizlagirl, do you imagine you are somehow disputing something I wrote?
But hey, if they were more dependent, surely in our machine age we’re in safe waters with our lesser dependence. Shame about the climate and the pollution and environmental damage and ecological collapse and microplastics everywhere and that sort of stuff, which are mere externalities to our technology.
In our case, our food, water, medicine, transport, communication, and energy systems are all interlocked and fragile. Our foraging is the supermarket or online!
(Also, to get dependent on it means their pre-technological ancestors had to survive to become dependent lithic people, no?)
So the first priority remains to look into the remaining projects in the original Science Challenge scheme (run by MBIE and Landcare). The Oranga (wellbeing) project (i.e. the whale music) made up $4 million of the $120 million funded.
https://theprogressreport.co.nz/emails/4428/
Thanks to our financial supporters, we were able to go back to Ms Mark-Shadbolt’s lawyers with a firm “No” to their demands to purge from our websites the reporting on the whale-music and potions for Kauri trees and the demand for payments.
With $120 million New Zealand dollars being thrown around, and $4 NZ for among other things playing whale songs to the kauri trees, I think it is wise to find out what nonsense might be hidden in these budgets. And just where that $4 NZ is going to? It would be nice to see a breakdown of exactly how that $4 NZ is being spent, but we obviously won’t be getting that from those spending this taxpayer money on such Monty Pythonish nonsense. (Insert whale songs here.)
I come late to the party, but here is my suggestion: Sue the school board/university because the teachings do not fit the creation story of the koran.
Another day, and lyingcharlie is still making up lies and appointing himself as the white man who knows so much better than those silly indigenous people who actually are affected by Myrtle rust.
The entire project got 4 million over four years. The Oranga part got 425,000, and 7% of that was used to build and monitor soundscapes. Oh noes, less than 30,000 dollars was expended. The horror!
Exactly what was the $4 million NZ spent on? And why is wasting a penny on playing whale songs to sick trees acceptable? And why is drawing a line at such whackiness not acceptable?
Of course this all doesn’t hold a candle to Roadkill Jr. gutting U.S. health care for nonsense like encouraging the drinking of raw milk, or gutting vaccine science. And other BS.
cheerfulhorse
Do you think the First nations communities affected should be ignored? Community engagement, real long lasting community engagement rather than a one off tick box meeting, is expensive – $4 million over four years sounds like it may be an adequate amount to spend.
Perhaps lying Charlie can go read his own damn link for how the funds were spent, since most of it went to public education and creating a seed bank.
But no, he would rather repeat his lies and claim that those natives are wasteful because they spent a few thousand for researching the effect of sound on forest health. They have yet to publish their findings, so how do you know that the whale song isn’t helping the trees be more resilient?
Spending a penny on whale songs to cure ailing trees is nonsense. A waste of money. And it is a canary in the coal mine. This sort of whackiness is not useful to the Maori community either..
Holding that nonsense like that based on Maori legends demonstrates something acceptable will only hold Maori ways as silly when indeed it leads to silly pseudoscience like this. This foolishness needs to be abandoned. Western science, the most successful knowledge and discovery enterprise was a multinational enterprise. England, Italy, Spain, France, Sweden and others. Integrating Maori into this sophisticated science enterprise is desirable where needed. Not cramming pseudoscience into real science. That should not be encouraged.
In the West, we are having enough trouble with creationism, flat Earthism, antivaxxism and other pseudosciences as is.
Spending money on playing whale songs to dying kauri trees is a dead canary in the mine.
Again, assuming the whale song isn’t helping is nothing but your opinion.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11117645/
Point being, the initial claims have been ignored all along.
Bait and switch.
Again.
The original claim: “In Australia, Aborigine tribes are now beginning to demand Aborigine lore be held as equal to Western science.” — fact: nope.
The original claim: “In New Zealand, they are having a problem with “The Maori Way Of Knowing” being held equal to Western science and being jammed into NZ science classes.” — fact: nope.
(Counterfeit Coynage)
The focus on one minor thing that happens to be associated with indigenous people rather than all the more significant problems associated with mainstream groups is telling. This is a classic disingenuous rhetoric tactic; focus on a specific example disregarding anything else
You see this a lot with bigots: finding one immigrant, Black person, or trans person who did something wrong and using it to demonise all people in the group. Charlie is just being a classic racist
Also it makes for a shitty conversation
OP, again:
Little girl:
Sings “Jesus loves me” [innoc]
Teacher:
“Uh, no Sally. That’s… uh, that’s wrong.
The powerhouse of the cell is actually the mitochondria.”
Little girl looks stunned. [uh-oh]
Cut to teacher being burned at the stake.
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Still, you know… those pesky indigenes!
@64 Tethys
I’ll go out on a limb here and predict that whale song is not helping the trees. It reminds me too much of pyramid power woo.
@the brain dead troll beholder
Do fuck off you babbling idiot.