Go away, libertarian/fascist/racist profiteer.
If we don’t get a “red wave,” will you move back to South Africa?
Oh, wait, is the “red wave” what Trump was referring to in his recent “blood bath” comments?
Pharyngula
Evolution, development, and random biological ejaculations from a godless liberal
Forget it, Muck! There will be no Red Wave and no end of America…. unless he refers the kind of America that once existed in the 1800’s prior to the Civil War.
*unless you refers to the kind of America…
*refer
To return to a slogan of my misspent youth:
Better dead than red!
(which, although not intended that way, was at least as much about red = totalitarian as it was red = a particular ideology)
Still won’t be enough to convince the Trumpanzees to buy Cyberdumps.
I’m sure the ‘this’ referenced by the man with the Napoleon complex is his downward spiral into his very own slymepit
It always puts me in mind of George Orwell.
“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
There are way too many reasons to never buy anything associated with Elon Musk.
It’s almost infinite now.
Why should he get any of my hard earned money when Elon Musk seriously hates me, my cat, my friends and family, and everything that I value?
I will never buy a Tesla car or an X website membership.
It is too bad that we can’t deport him back to South Africa as an undesirable alien.
Very few people who have ever dealt with Elon Musk have gotten away without some harm being done by the guy.
He is just consistently toxic to everyone around him.
One of his breeding stock, singer Grimes is suing Musk for child support and just to see one of their children.
These children were born from an embryo bank and pregnancy surrogates so it is possible that Grimes has never even seen some of them.
(She isn’t so great either. Grimes is a white racist. It’s your basic battle of two terrible people and so who do you root for?)
Musk’s oldest child has already disowned him.
Does he think it would be better with four more years of “I’m in charge, so anything I do can’t possibly be illegal”?
What am I saying; of course he does. After all, he expects that to apply to himself.
Nah, the red wave is opening the door to an alliance where America is finally taken over by Putin’s puppet.
Ah yes. The co-winner of the Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg Woman of Leadership Award (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/18/rbg-elon-musk-rupert-murdoch), for his exemplifying the qualities of empathy and humility, is certainly only saying that because he cares “about the dignity and wellbeing of all who dwell on planet Earth”
To say nothing of his co-winner, Rupert Murdoch.
I don’t think Elon Musk was suggesting economic ruin for the auto industry is needed in November.
Is intentionally misunderstanding two obnoxious jerks what passes for humor among liberals these days? Honestly, Musk and Trump ought to be easier target for ridicule for their actual claims and beliefs.
Four more years of what, Elon? From the outside Joe has run a competent admin and done everything he could, recognising the enormous obstructionism of the MAGA House, plus the MAGA Senate component, plus SOCO, plus the right wing media.
What has you confused, Drew? That Trump promises a “bloodbath” if he loses, or that Musk wants Trump to win? Everyone else here is smart enough to figure out what’s going on here. Do try to catch up.
We ought to nationalize Space X, but since our government doesn’t actually care about the inequities of capitalism (performative, vaguely-lefty-sounding slogans from the two-faced Democratic Party notwithstanding) that’s not likely to happen.
You can interpret Trump’s “Bloodbath” nonsense one of two ways:
1) If Trump loses, he and his fascist goons won’t be there to protect us from those murderous MS-13, BLM, Antifa, and transsexuals who the Democrats will let run riot over our embattled nation.
2) If Trump loses, his oppressed, freedom-loving followers will righteously go out and make Jan 6 look like a case of littering in comparison.
Either way, Trump’s comments sound more like a mob boss’ than a politician’s. Sadly, our government doesn’t have a great track record of getting rid of mobsters or fascists. If anything, we tend to back them.
It is a bit more trivial, although the false advertising aspect is certainly consistent, I am annoyed that Musk calls his largest rocket a ‘Starship’. It is not, in any way, shape, or form, a ship for traveling between star systems. Using ‘Starship’ for a rocket is about as blatant an example of false advertising as ever occurred.
@ drew, #12
The exact quote was:
See the part I put in bold? Can you read it? Does that say ‘for the auto industry?’
No, it does not. This is something Trump does all the time. He issues open threats with a half-assed wink and a nudge, his taint-licking chuds say ‘it was just sarcasm libturds,’ while in the background groups like the Heritage Foundation assemble a fucking army to enact Trump’s every bloodthirsty whim on day one of presidency.
The bloodbath will come if Trump is elected, or otherwise steals the presidency. I have no doubt that a few of the slimebags who worship Trump will commit acts of terrorism if he loses. They may even attempt a coup again.
Make no mistake (and I know you weren’t making a mistake so much as being flagrantly dishonest): Trump and his supporters intend to commit mass violence one way or the other after the election, and that’s absolutely what he was saying in that quote.
His supporters are shrinking to nothing. They’re leaving him in disgust upon finding out where the campaign money given to him will go and his succumbing to dementia that’s rapidly worsening by the day. He won’t have anyone left to support him when he goes to prison and/or dies.
I wish.
I’m not seeing that on the daily news.
Below is the latest poll.
Biden is ahead by 1% with a margin of error of 3.4%.
Which means Trump and Biden are about equal right now.
I gave up understanding how this could be years ago.
If you have some data that says Trump’s support is fading, by all means post it.
We could all use some good news these days.
AFAICT, even if Trump ended up completely demented, his supporters would still vote for him. At that point, he is just a meat puppet for people like Musk, Bannon, Ted Cruz, and all the other Fascists of the GOP.
I do wonder who all these pollsters are polling? They were wildly wrong in 2018, and there was no red wave in 2020, despite all the pundits predictions and incorrect polls.
Don Cheetolini is decompensating at an ever increasing rate. His impending deadline for posting a bond is going to deal him some serious financial trouble and punch some holes in his ego. His wealth is the only thing he truly values.
#20 Raven
How about this?
The capitalist hellscape keeps people too busy to think. As we approach the election it is my hope that things look more stark.
rave @20: It’s important to remember that these polls almost always skew toward conservative. Don’t watch the poll numbers, the media wants drama. Watch the number’s he’s getting in the primaries- they’re very low for a returning president. Well below what would be typical.
Re: cybertruck
I do think the idea of a self-propelled stainless steel dumpster is pretty good.
By “this” he must mean Twitter…
Tethis @ 21
I first read it as “Don Cheetolini is decomposing at an ever increasing rate. Maybe a freudian slip.
I have been looking at the stock market for both USA and Sweden. If you are a capitalist you have little to complain about.
Meanwhile a country where a Trump clone recently seized power (Argentina) has an economy in a death spiral.
@drew #12
Sure, let’s pretend that the guy who tried to violently overthrow the government last time he lost totally wasn’t threatening a violent overthrow of the government if he loses again. After all, he suffered such dire consequences last time, he certainly wouldn’t dare a second attempt.
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@20 Raven
Thing is, I tend to agree, tentatively, with the assessment that he likely can’t win. The polls are of “likely voters”, this leaves out both those that chose to not vote in the primary, because they can’t stand him, and those that are in the category of, “These people don’t vote anyway, so why poll them?” However, we have had a major surge of “unlikely voters” actually voting, and not for Trump, and roughly 30%, so far, of those that normally vote GOP have either left the party entirely, or remain Republican, but have flat out stated that they, “Will not vote for Trump or would rather vote Biden, than risk Trump ending up in office again.” By comparison, we can estimate that, from the last election, we will likely get at least 90% of Dems voting for Biden, even of some don’t like him much, if for no other reason than to keep Trump out of office. By some estimates, this means that for Trump to make up for the 30% of those that would normally vote GOP on the conservative side, he would have to gain close to 75% of the “undecided” votes to even barely win, by a stupidly narrow margin. Add to that the fact that the GOP’s supposed “base” is, bit by bit, becoming more and more fed up with him (despite some 60% of them being idiots), and by the time the election comes around he may have lost 40% or more of his “support”.
Now.. how the F likely do you think it is that in that time he will magically “gain” any significant number of undecided voters, or actually convince Democrats to vote for him? I mean, its possible, I suppose, but it seems bloody unlikely. And, to put it the way one online news person opined, “His numbers might look good, but they are polling the wrong people this time.”
@ ^ Kagehi :How likely was what happened in the 2020 election and how complacent were so many back then that HRC would become POTUS – and she did after all win the most votes beng the majority choice of Americans for POTUS – but still..
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Tangential but on Musk and his “anti-woke” toxicity :
Source : https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-18/elon-musk-grok-code-ai-chatbot/103601562
@Drew #12
From https://www.the-reframe.com/the-way-it-is/
@ 12. Drew :
They are? Their actual beliefs and you admit they are obnoxious jerks but somehow think we’re wrong to ..what ? call them on being that?
In addition to what #18 vucodlak noted before me :
Plus also same event :
Source : https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-predicts-bloodbath-loses-2024-election-ramps-anti/story?id=108190653
Do tell how those less emphaisied and arguably more disturbing literally dehumanising comments are okay in some .. context or something Drew.
Do explain how this is something people should ignore and doesn’t reflect Trump’s “actual claims and beliefs” here, please.
Oh and do you really have to be a “radical leftie” rather than just a decent human being to object to such descriptiosn and consider them a terrible thing to say that shoudl come with political conseuences?
@ Kagehi 30
What you say sounds good and optimistic.
OTOH, optimism hasn’t worked all that well in the 21st century.
Trump is gaining support among groups that you wouldn’t expect, namely Blacks and Hispanics.
Which means Democrats are losing support among some of their key voting groups.
It isn’t a good idea to dismiss data just because you don’t like it or in this case, it scares you silly.
I’ll do what I can to reelect Biden, who has actually done a sort of reasonable job under adverse conditions without a lot of drama and threats to the USA.
But nothing that can possibly happen is going to surprise me all that much. In a more rational world, Trump wouldn’t even be polling 10%.
Remember a few years ago when conservatives were spreading the lie they were being “censored” on social media and liberal voices were being promoted? Now that it’s clear the opposite is true, they’re suddenly OK with bias.
I really have no idea why anyone would vote for Trump.
The USA has a lot of problems for sure.
But Trump and the GOP don’t have any solutions.
He could easily have been a hero during the Covid-19 pandemic by doing nothing.
Just let the professional science and medical people handle it.
Instead his leadership was chaotic, all over the place, and mostly just completely absent.
While 1.4 million Americans died from the Covid-19 virus.
It’s a common stereotype that old people always claim times were harder back when they were growing up.
As a Boomer, I’ll claim the opposite.
.1. College paid for with huge student loans that take decades to pay off is way more expensive.
I graduated debt free in the 1970s.
The same university now calculates that a college degree will cost $100,000.
.2. Housing is way too unaffordable.
Since 2017, 7 years, in my area on the coast, they are up 75% and were already expensive to start with. It’s that way everywhere, from Seattle to LA.
Low cost cities on the coast, maybe $500,000. In the SF Bay area, over $1 million.
.3. Health care.
Costs for everything keep on rising rapidly.
So, yeah, life is getting harder for the average American.
People have a right to be unhappy with the status quo and hope for something better in the future.
But, Trump and the GOP are part of the problem.
They are not part of the solution.
@ ^ raven & #30. Kagehi : The other key thing to note here is the role of third party spoilers like the Nader voters who handed Bush the Lesser the Presidency.
Even if Biden wins in a two person race what happens if third parties – NoLabels, Greens, Glibertarians, RFK ad nauseam do the same this time as some eps of Planet America have suggested. If peopel don’t deliberately pick Biden and iopt for a protest vote instead, well, you may very wellend up with Trump as POTUS again and whether you get another chance to actually vote after that, don’t bet on it.
In Oz I can vote 1 Greens, 2 ALP and put the LNP last on my ballot confident that my Greens vote does NOT help the fascist, Trumpist, regressive LNP. In the US of A tho’- it is simply binary – Biden OR Trump and a non-Biden vote of any kind – or staying home and not voting at all – de facto empowers and helps Trump.
The USA needs preferential voting (or maybe Franc e style run-off elections or suchlike) so very extremely badly here. Plus so many other political reforms too..
Sad thing too is how much massive influence US politics has on Aussie and the retsof global politics too.
Fuck, its gunna be a long year.. Even counting only till November. :-/
I can confidently predict one thing: Elon Musk will get worse.
He’ll do his worst. Let’s do our best.
It’s going to get intense.
I’ve straight up told people I would be reflecting Trump’s non-bigoted bad behavior at them as an object lesson. My parents included.
I’m heading off the dynamic where people try to use broad appeals to civility when there are
responses to insulting language on the political right. Behavior based mocking names for example. I’m literally prepared for a parent to be lord hogwash devotee of not-hitler until they actually respond to my actual claims and avoid mockery of their own.
If someone wants to hold me responsible for a piece of common bad behavior in a political ally they have to literally go and get all of the Rs and Trump to stop before I’ll respect such a distraction from whatever I’m addressing. Rational abandonment of civility.
Musk has built a ten thousand year Cuckoo Clock! See Snopes
Cross-posted from The Infinite Thread:
SpaceX is building a spy satellite network for US, news agency says. What could possibly go wrong?
@41: submoron
The 10,000 year clock is a Bezos project, according to Snopes.
Thank you Efogoto!
I continue make Cockups and learn thereby
StevoR @ # 31: … the 2020 election and how complacent were so many back then that HRC would become POTUS …
2020 ≠ 2016.
So apparently Muskrat admitted that he regularly does ketamine.
“In the US of A tho’- it is simply binary – Biden OR Trump and a non-Biden vote of any kind – or staying home and not voting at all – de facto empowers and helps Trump.”
People keep saying this. But if it’s true, it would also mean that a non-Trump vote of any kind – or staying at home and not voting at all – de facto empowers and helps Biden.
Which would mean not voting for Trump or Biden helps both Trump and Biden. Staying home and not voting for Trump helps Trump. Staying home and not voting for Biden helps Biden. This is clearly untrue, so the original claim must be untrue as well.
Roy, your reasoning is flawed.
No. A non-Biden vote can never ever help Biden, but it can indeed help Trump.
4 states for two variables.
Not voting at all helps neither, not both.
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You gotta remember the loony Trump rump of MAGA voters; they will for sure vote.
But the sentiment applies to those who are vacillating about even voting at all (that’s the USA system, quite optional, so motivating people to vote can swing elections). True Trump supporters will vote for Trump, true Biden supporters are fucking rare as; what you have is the rump of people who definitely see the problem with Trump.
You garbled the claim you claim is the claim you are subjecting to analysis.
@31 Yeah, not sure we have “quite” the same situation though. That being said, there is also the attempts, like the one in Arizona, to have the Rethuglican legislature grant itself power to retcon any election they didn’t like, and just declare someone else the winner, based on their already past lies about election fraud (and then probably, when it turned out again to be lies, just go, “Oh. Whoops! Too late anyway, Trump is already in office!” The attempt failed. It might not, if even more sycophants and fascists where put into courts. There is a clear air of desperation and/or just pure fascism in these attempts to not just rig the elections, but turn them into rubber stamp fake democracy, i.e., Russia like totalitarianism, and its being driven by the realization that, despite incomprehensible gains, also through lies of course, among Blacks and Hispanics, as someone else mentioned (but hopefully no where near enough), when younger people vote it is almost universally against the current MAGA GOP (whom, like Trump, they almost all universally despise). The only thing that makes it not universal among Gen Z is that some of them have actually been successfully brainwashed into right wing thinking and hate. Which, of course, is why they are trying to cram very narrow versions of Christian theology, likely hand picked evangelical (but only the right sort of evangelical) priests as councilors, and even more “edited” versions of history, that paint Christian Nationalism as the right way to think into schools every place. Its all about the same thing – they are losing, and have been, more and more rapidly, probably since the 60s, and not one single one of them can seem to comprehend that their adherence to bigotry, in a less and less “white” nation, and worship of Mammon, instead of their pretense at following Jesus, is driving people people away from their vision of how America is supposed to work.
Of course, the most insane things about this is how short sighted they are, in that they actually think that because Trump was willing to pander to their own madness for 4 years, he won’t turn on them like a snake, the second he doesn’t need them any more. They know damn well that, other than wanting to be the richest asshole on the planet, and have everyone bow and scrape to him because of it, he doesn’t actually give a F about anything they do, but he still has the “followers” they need, and many of them refuse to see what Trump really is, so they delude themselves into thinking that they can play snake charmer, and he can’t/won’t manage to turn the whole mob against them, the moment they misstep and do something that inconveniences “him”. Its been far too long, I think, since the “church” has had to deal with a king, and they don’t seem to comprehend that back then, they where the “king makers”, and had some control over them – they don’t control this lunatic, and that is not a position some moron that thinks they are the king maker wants to be in.
Or it’s just nonsense. “Staying home and not voting for Biden” and “Staying home and not voting for Trump” aren’t separate actions. They’re the same thing: Handing power to whoever did go out to cast a vote.
@45. Pierce R. Butler :
Doh! I meant 2016 of course.. Mea culpa.