Ken Ham is pissed off at this song from an upcoming Disney movie.
I know nothing about the movie, nor am I interested in seeing it (maybe my grandkids will enjoy it, I don’t know). I don’t think it will turn anyone into worshippers of Sol Invictus. All it is saying is that the world around us is pretty nifty.
Not in Ken Ham’s feeble mind, though.
Imagine if public school students in their science classes were encouraged to worship the sun. And yet this is happening! But how do they get away with it? Well, they just call worshipping the sun “science,” and then claim they can teach this “science” in the public schools! Really the Disney song mentioned above is all about worshipping the sun and stars.
That’s quite a leap, from a cheerful bit of fluff to a sinister plot to inculcate sun worship in public school classrooms. No one is teaching kids to pray to and worship natural objects in the universe.
By the way, he also doesn’t like Neil deGrasse Tyson.
“Our ancestors worshipped the sun. They were far from foolish. It makes good sense to revere the sun and stars because we are their children. The silicon in the rocks, the oxygen in the air, the carbon in our DNA, the iron in our skyscrapers, the silver in our jewelry—were all made in stars, billions of years ago. Our planet, our society, and we ourselves are stardust.”
That statement was made by Neil deGrasse Tyson in the Cosmos series he narrated. Evolutionists encouraged teachers to use this series in public school classrooms.
Oh, how awful: he was suggesting that pre-Christian people were not stupid, and were trying to understand the world as best as they could. Tyson is not an animist. He’s not saying it would be a good idea to worship rocks, but that we should try to understand why some people might have. Damn those public schools! They’re teaching tolerance and empathy! You won’t get any of that in a Ken Ham-approved homeschool.
He really is a fully coked-up conspiracy theorist.
I think it’s about time Christians woke up and understood that even though there are Christian missionaries in the public (Government) school system (and they need our prayers), by and large these schools are actually churches of atheism. Millions of students are being taught that all life and the universe arose by natural processes—by naturalism. But we need to call naturalism what it is—atheism.
Well, so, True Christians™ reject understanding of the natural world? There’s no difference between studying physics, chemistry, and biology and worshipping pagan gods and being an atheist? Good to know.
Please to stay out of education and politics, Ken.
There are Christian missionaries in public schools? I thought they kicked God out of schools years ago, Ken.
Shrug.
Ken Ham is a professional outrage machine and just lying here.
It’s the same sort of thing the Catholic League of Donohue does or Fox NoNews.
This is just a stupid lie.
No it isn’t.
Many or most xians can and do say that…the gods invented natural processes.
It looks like Ken Ham has to make more and more extreme statements to attract attention.
Who knows, maybe his loot collection from his fake Ark is down.
It made sense for early people to worship the sun and stars because they could easily point to them to prove their existence. It’s when the chieftains and holy men started making up gods to explain the unexplainable that everything went in the crapper.
For those who wonder what Disney did to set off Ken Ham.
It’s a children’s animated movie.
It has magic in it like a lot of Disney movies such as The Little Mermaid.
Mermaids don’t become human because they want to.
I’m underwhelmed.
Magic doesn’t work in the real world.
Instead of wishing on stars, to make your dreams come true, you have to actually live your life in a way to make it happen.
Then again, I’m not the target audience of 12 year olds.
I hope it is at least a good story with good animation and the kids like it.
Ken Ham would say that wishing on stars doesn’t work.
He would say you have to use thoughts and prayer to get what you want.
Which is also magic and magic that doesn’t work.
The proto-Jews worshipped the sun, moon and the brighter planets as gods.*
So sun worship is in line with the Judeo-Cristian tradition.
The Repubs do not like that, they favor Mammon and Priapus.
And Mammon is Ken Ham’s secret master (sorta like the way I sacrifice children to Nyarlahotep).
*See “The Memoirs of God”. A very thorough explanation of the gradual move from paganism through monolatrism to monotheism that took more than a millennium.
I do like the full lyrics of the song:
People worshipping anyone or anything more than the God Ken Ham tells them to worship needs to be destroyed and buried. Why do people need to focus on things like hope, dreams and how nature provides us with what we need to live productive fruitful lives.
“Because, unlike other gods I could mention, I can actually SEE the sun.” – George Carlin
Nope… even the quote is inaccurate
Carl Sagan
raven @ # 4, quoting the LA Times: The film, which will be released Nov. 22…
The 60th anniversary of JFK Day – conspiracy-mongers will perform magnificent contortions in celebration!
Eugh. Yeah, I’ll be honest, the first 9 seconds had me cringing. “When it comes to the universe we’re all shareholders”, really? I think I’ll sit this one out. -_-
Ken the Ham sandwich is quoted: “Well, they just call worshipping the sun “science,” and then claim they can teach this “science” in the public schools!”
Here is some perspective from our Enchiridion of the ToVPE – –
As the wonderful insight of ‘St. George the Carlin’ satirically put it: “I’ve begun worshipping the sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the sun. It’s there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, and a lovely day. There’s no mystery, no one asks for money, I don’t have to dress up, and there’s no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to “god” are all answered at about the same 50% rate.
from his album: Brain Droppings
@raven Not to go off-topic, but this particular movie looks like it’s aimed at a much younger age than 12. Lots of animated movies span the same demographics as live-action (i.e. a lot of all-ages and adult-only films rather than just kids specifically) but the heavily fairytale/princess/wish-upon-a-star movies are usually more for younger kids since they’re made to sell playsets and stuff
astringer @ 9
Tyson said it in his reboot of the Cosmos series. The clip is included in this AIG article:
https://answersingenesis.org/public-school/students-told-to-worship-sun/
Well what do you expect from a delusional ignorant nutcase like Ham ? Sense?
@astringer #9:
“Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey is a 2014 […] follow-up to the 1980 television series Cosmos: A Personal Voyage, which was presented by Carl Sagan […] The show is presented by […] Neil deGrasse Tyson”
Transcript of the episode includes the OP Tyson quote.
Um… So… A science class room is … going out to the movies?
This reminds me of that meme with a missionary and a group of natives:
Missionary: You literally worship the sun!
Natives: At least the sun exists!
I guess you could argue that corporate capitalism is a kind of religion
You “guess?” Republitarians made a religion out of ECON 101 a long time ago; and they’ve been explicitly presenting it as a religion ever since — a set of doctrines and assertions the can never be questioned or debated, and need never be verified using any real-world evidence or experience.
In the public school I attended, we were forced undergo Christian indoctrination during sixth grade science class. Instead of learning anything remotely scientific, we got Young Earth Creationist lies, and Bible stories.
I pushed back hard. Other students supported me, and we got the administration to say something. The YEC shit mostly stopped after that, but the teacher made me her special project. She tanked my science grade, and forced me to take part in track and field, despite the fact that I had a medical exemption due to severe asthma. She told me if I didn’t risk my life to humiliate myself on the field, she’d make sure I was held back (this could only happen if she tanked all my grades, which were A’s and B’s despite her best efforts), and that would be the end of me.*
No one with the power to do anything about any of that was willing to help me. I pretty much gave up on trying after that. What was the point, when one vindictive White Christian Nationalist** could destroy everything you’d worked so hard for?
While that was my worst experience with one of Ham’s “Christian missionaries in the public (Government) school system,” it was hardly my only one. Mandatory Christianity was everywhere in the public schools I attended. From sixth grade onward, however, I never offered any resistance to those instances led by school officials.
It filled me with anxiety, though. I knew from civics that there was supposed to be a separation of church and state, and I always felt like I was doing something wrong when I went along with the not-really-voluntary Christian prayers and proselytizing. I also knew from experience that, if anyone ever got in trouble for it, it would be the students who paid the price. It was almost a relief when my parents sent me to a private Christian school- at least I knew we weren’t breaking any laws.
Ken Ham and his allies are White Christian Nationalists, period. The fear, intimidation, and repression people experience when dealing with their “Christian missionaries” is the point of their so-called faith. This has never been about sending souls to heaven or whatever- it’s all about maintaining their power here on Earth.
WCNs have flooded the US public school system with their agents. Their #1 job is to convert children who fit their narrow view of acceptability by force, and intimidate any don’t fit in into silence until they can enact a more permanent solution to all us non-Christian, LGBTQ+, BIPOC, and non-conforming people. Their secondary goal is to destroy public education by turning it into a WCN indoctrination system. We’ve seen this manifested in the past few years in the ‘critical race theory’ flap, and their increasing anti-LGBTQ+ violence.
*I’d been taught that the absolute worst thing a kid could do was to fail their classes and be held back. As I understood it, being held back was something from which there was no coming back from, and meant that I would have ruined my entire life by the ripe old age of twelve. And that assumes that my parents didn’t kill me outright for being a “lazy disgrace.” They’d threatened to end my life before and, based on the fact that they weren’t shy about hurting me, I believed they do it.
I told my teacher that I was afraid my parents would hurt me worse than ever if she failed me, because I still believed that, despite everything, she had to feel some kind of duty toward her students, even if she didn’t like me much personally. Too, I had some inkling that teachers were required by law to help in situations like that, and I thought that would mean something. She just smiled and told that that was “too bad,” and that I “should have tried harder.”
That was the first time I’d ever told an authority figure that my parents were abusing me. I never made that mistake again.
**She was also a big fan of Lost Cause lies, taught us that slavery wasn’t that bad, and so forth.
Well, worshiping the sun at least make some sense, as the sun, you know, exists.
From now on I’ll always regard Dumb Idiot Ham as “Trump Lite.”Why? Because he thinks and acts like that stupid idiot! That’s why!
larpar @ 14 and CompulsoryAccount7746, Sky Captain @16
Thanks both, I stand corrected. Always good to learn from this site : )
@ 19
I’d go as far as to say that the fundies made unregulated capitalism a part of Christian dogma mainly because the “commies” were supposedly “godless.”
George Carlin – The sun worshipper
This is as bad as him, years ago on one of his putrid radio broadcast shorts, brainlessly making up false delusional statements about people flocking into movie theaters, which he dementedly brands as churches, to attend some Star Wars themed religious service. No, seriously. This is exactly one of the most demented of unfounded remarks he ever blared from his lying, mentally sick mouth.
“I think it’s about time Christians woke up…” Ken Ham has gone woke! Spread the word.
@19
I am appalled at what passes for economic theory in republican circles
it has become a “true religion” that does not tolerate questions or doubts and worships their dogma regardless of the long term results purely an emotional relationship they fall for the latest BS scam and pipe dream. Unlike the cold clear thinking of those who focus on the bottom line and long term fundamental analysis the market, the economy, the country and society