Is the first law of thermodynamics a consequence of conservation laws?
bryanfeirsays
The first law of thermodynamics is pretty much just a restating of the conservation of energy in slightly different terms. Not so much a consequence as an equivalence.
DonDueedsays
I. You can’t win.
II. You can’t break even.
III. You can’t get out of the game.
Hang on, if perpetual motion machines don’t work because they’re lazy, couldn’t we keep the wheels running by transferring energy from an outside source? What if we broke down the walls that isolate the system from its surroundings?
Wouldn’t it be more effective to import Mexican energy than to outsource the entropy to China?
I don’t see how the boundaries of an enclosed system can exclude the near surroundings but include the far surroundings, but then I never went to Trump University.
Marcus Ranum says
Is the first law of thermodynamics a consequence of conservation laws?
bryanfeir says
The first law of thermodynamics is pretty much just a restating of the conservation of energy in slightly different terms. Not so much a consequence as an equivalence.
DonDueed says
I. You can’t win.
II. You can’t break even.
III. You can’t get out of the game.
Marcus Ranum says
DonDueed@#3 and bryanfier@#2:
Aha! That’s what I thought. Conservation laws are The House.
Pierce R. Butler says
Perpetual motion machines don’t work because they’re lazy, and liberals tell them they don’t have to work.
Cut off their food stamps and health care and NEA grants, and we’ll see ’em get down to business!
Marcus Ranum says
Pierce R. Butler@#5:
Well played!
Mano Singham says
Pierce @#5,
That is SO funny!
Smokey says
Hang on, if perpetual motion machines don’t work because they’re lazy, couldn’t we keep the wheels running by transferring energy from an outside source? What if we broke down the walls that isolate the system from its surroundings?
Wouldn’t it be more effective to import Mexican energy than to outsource the entropy to China?
I don’t see how the boundaries of an enclosed system can exclude the near surroundings but include the far surroundings, but then I never went to Trump University.