Yet another reason debates suck

Lawrence Krauss has sent me a guest post discussing his debate with William Lane Craig. As he notes, these debates with cranks are always a mistake; debates in general are a format tailored to give the weak side, even the side that has no credibility at all, an equal standing with the stronger side at the beginning, and then the conclusion is resolved by the rhetorical ability of the two opponents, not the evidence. William Lane Craig is an expert debater, but he is otherwise a vacuous moron, but because he has a series of familiar syllogism that he always trots out in these debates, and because his audiences tend to be packed with the kind of people who automatically find any mention of Jesus laudatory, he tends to “win,” i.e., he gets the approval of people who reject the atheist without thinking.

You can watch the whole debate on YouTube. Warning: Craig goes first. You may not be able to stomach it — it’s a confident display of obtuseness. When he isn’t lecturing on Christian ‘physics’ — with Lawrence Krauss right there — he’s throwing out assertions and calling them evidence. For instance, he declares that Jesus’ tomb was found empty…as part of his litany of evidence for Jesus’ divinity. It’s the kind of thing that he can only get away with in front of a friendly audience that will never, ever question the assumptions of their faith.

Craig is much more polished and self-congratulatory than Krauss, and I can see that another irritation here is William Lane Craig’s smug post-mortem and the dishonest distortions of some attendees. For example, the theists claim that Krauss rejected logic in his opening remarks. This is false. What he points out in the beginning is the evidence trumps your preconceived notions, no matter how carefully you’ve worked them out, and that the observations described by physics, such as the rate of falling of two objects of different weights or the results of the two-slit experiment, are not trivially derivable by logic alone, in the absence of evidence demonstrating the phenomenon. The debate was supposed to be all about the evidence, which demands some awareness of the concept of empiricism, and Craig and his acolytes don’t even seem to know what the word means. That the Big Bang occurred 13.7 billion years ago was not determined by a theologian deriving it from his religious principles, or by a physicist standing at a chalkboard and working it all out from pure mathematics — it is a measurement from data.

Also, Craig claims to be using Bayesian logic. No, he is not. Scribbling a few trivial equations on his slides does not substitute for Craig’s painful ignorance of physics.

You can find more thorough, non-religious discussion of Craig’s fallacies at Debunking Christianity.

#isbrandyok

@JoeCienkowski is a motor-mouthed creationist who hangs out on Twitter. His wife, Brandy Evans Cienkowski, is much less vocal and considers herself one of those ‘liberal Christians’, and she apparently got fed up with Joe (he has also been arrested at least once for battery in January, which is not a good sign) and left him…and then was, presumably, reconciled and rejoined him, at least by Joe Cienkowski’s account. Strangely, Brandy has gone completely silent since this reconciliation, and Joe has has also spluttered to a trickle of tweets, all unresponsive to questions about his wife’s status. This has roused suspicions, and there is a call out for contact. If you know Brandy Evans Cienkowski, let people know here or on Twitter.

Trust no one!

The beans have been spilled. I lied. I am not the Digital Cuttlefish, I am not leaving Scienceblogs, I have no talent for poetry, and I am not a nice person.

I am highly untrustworthy, though. I had people asking all day if I was really in Elmhurst and if I was really going to the local pub last night. I’m a little worried that I’ll get home to find the wife has changed the locks on me.

Events for this Thursday

Aaargh! Dueling events on Thursday night!

Oh, well, they’re easy to resolve spatially. If you’re somewhere near Minneapolis, you should attend JT Eberhard’s talk in Smith Hall at 7. He’s going to be talking about “Campus Preachers: An Excuse to Build Forts and Other Shenanigans”, so I’m sure there’ll be tips on what to do when Brother Jed comes to town.

I can’t go! I’m going to be in the Twin Cities on Thursday night, down near the airport, because I’m flying out to speak at Elmhurst College on Friday. But I’ve got another commitment for this Thursday night. I’m appearing on Virtually Speaking with Jay Ackroyd, a kind of talk show that takes place in Second Life. I’ll be tottering about with a poorly controlled avatar, and you can join in by creating your own avatar, or you can just listen in as if it were a live podcast.

So you can listen to me if you’re anywhere in the world, but you’ll need to physically come to Minneapolis to see JT.

An inside view of the Journal of Cosmology

I’ve been saying for a long time that that ‘journal’ that published the meteorite microbes story was a joke: now someone who has also published in the JoC gives us a look at the review process there. It’s not very rigorous, as you might expect.

She also gives a good mineralogical explanation of the structures they were seeing (see also Ian Musgrave’s summary). This paper’s dead, Jim. But don’t be surprised if you see it cited in other papers from the fringe astrobiology crowd in the future.

I get email

I think this one was more of a wrong number.

Found you online and had a question…

Hi, my name is Susan Dahl. I did a search online for Christians and I came across you. It would be great to have more info about what you are sharing online for the benefit and help of others.

I am writing because I would like to find some new friends who have a walk with the Lord in the Puget Sound area. Even in the Northwest, there are still some of us out there!

I look forward to hearing from you.

God bless you,

Susan Dahl

It’s OK. I’ve decided to name my penis “The Lord” just so these spammy Christian emails will make a little more sense.

Praise the Lord!