This, exactly.
One of the best ways to win arguments is to be so completely wrong that there's no way anyone could feasibly correct you without teaching three entry level college courses in the process.
This is known colloquially as a "Shapiro."
— Matty Be Rad 🌹 (@MattyBeRad) September 1, 2019
The far-right conservatives and the deeply stupid (but I repeat myself) have mastered one art of discourse: regurgitating nonsense so rapidly that more sensible people can’t keep up.
I took this to mean a less intellectually pretentious version of Gish Gallop, where you focus on quality rather than quantity of wrongness.
A la “How can this so-called RAINforest be burning, huh?”
I think that that about sums it up.
Perfection!
Also by carefully vetting your audience, as Shapiro is a master of as well.
Eh? “Winning” an argument? I suppose so… in the sense some debate / rhetoric encourages(? requires?) every “point” raised to be addressed, as-if arguments are decided by jurists scoring performance, like a gymnastics competition: The “winner” is the side which has the most unrefuted “points”, regardless of the reason for not being refuted (a true or evidenced point scores as much as a Shapiro / Gish “point”).
Someone should try it Trumpstyle: just assert toy had a great debate and kicked their asses and if they say otherwise they’re liars.
https://twitter.com/TabbyLavalamp/status/1168574324304801793
Is this the philosophical/political equivalent of scientific ‘not even wrong’?
@8, approximately precise. ;)
A sporting equivalent would be bringing a bat to a football game.
wzrd1 #9
a fruit bat?
People “out there” do often see arguments as being “won” by a points weight system. 1 point for unrefuted and 1 point for unanswerable rebuttal.
That’s why argument and debate do not serve us as well as we may hope.
The alternative is exploration which is powerful when people cooperate and hard work at other times.
Exploration requires different tools to logic and reason alone. It needs attention direction such as questions or attention frameworks like 6 hats, and it needs provocation and movement.
Pigeon Chess
Also known as fractal wrongness.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongness
“You are not just wrong. You are wrong at every conceivable level of resolution. Zooming in on any part of your worldview finds beliefs exactly as wrong as your entire worldview.”
Shapiro evolved the Gish Gallop by adding “talk very quickly” to it, thereby making it more useful for time limited segments like TV “News” panels.
Yes indeed, ck, at that speed it becomes just that much harder to respond to.