I’m at the airport, about to clamber onto a plane that will drop me off on the other side of the planet, and I’m not sure when I will emerge again in a conscious and coherent state, so I leave this thread to you all. I also know that the cowardly trolls always take advantage of my absences to crap on the site, so just be aware: I will prune threads ruthlessly as soon as I get a moment and am back on the Internet. Rather than engaging with the idiots, just leave a note that comment #X must die. Keyword: rochambeau.
See you on the other hemisphere!
Not sure if should make open source joke or thread count joke. Not coherent enough for either.
What happens if I pull at this loose thread…. ? UNRAVEL THE KRAKEN!!!
Not suggesting you spent the money but in-flight w-fi is a thing PZ. You can prune as you go. Enjoy the other side.
@Mike Ma
Hang on, he’s just going to China, not the afterlife!
(Raises a question though – is there wi-fi in heaven? I’m pretty sure there must be Facebook in purgatory… and probably Twitter, and ONLY Twitter, in hell.)
…and the arse end of YouTube.
Comment #6 must die.
– rochambeau
Nah, just a really slow connection so you can never see the video, but only get to read the comments.
I believe Reginald Selkirk has just proved the incompleteness of first order arithmetic.
Oooooh, yea, that’d be worse….
Hell probably features my MySpace page, and I can’t turn away.
Shit. Is MySpace still online? I daren’t look.
Ask me how you can lose $1,000,000,000 from the comfort of your own home.
–D. Trump
Tis a dark and stormy morning, and the Redhead is out of milk for her coffee. *shakes fist at mother nature on way to car*
It rained all night…
…the day I left, the weather it was dry
I will now send this thread into absolut Kaos (make Ronnie happy, anyway).
I made this over the weekend (my weekend!):
Pork Chili Verde
EARLY IN THE DAY (or the previous day):
Roast at 400F:
1 jalapeno pepper
2 Hatch, New Mexico or Anaheim green chilis
2 sweet Italian or Cubanelle peppers
When the skins are puffy all the way around, or browned/charred all the way around (do not let the flesh burn), toss the peppers in a bowl and cover with a plate until cool.
Any liquid in the bowl, save. Skin each pepper (the skin should peel off easily), then remove the stem, slice open the side of the chili, and remove the placenta and seeds. Save any liquid you can from the cutting board. Refrigerate the peppers and any liquid until needed.
ONE or TWO HOURS BEFORE YOUR MEAL:
Cut 1 pound of cheap pork (I use boneless country ribs) into bite sized pieces. Toss the pork in:
1/2 cup flour
1 to 4 tablespoons good chili powder
1 or 2 teaspoons ground cumin
some salt
Shake of the excess and, in small batches, brown in 2 tablespoons olive oil. As each batch browns, drain on paper towels and add more oil if needed.
After browning the last of the pork, bring the heat up to high and deglaze the pan with some white wine. Drain and reserve the liquid.
Reheat the pot. Add a little olive oil and saute until translucent (or brown spots start to appear):
2 onions, roughly chopped
20 to 40 cloves of fresh garlic, peeled and roughly chopped
Add the meat, the roasted chilis )chopped and added with the reserved liquid(, two cans of chicken broth, and
4 green tomatoes, roughly chopped
1/4 cup fresh cilantro (unless it tastes like soap to you, in which case skip it)
enough water to cover the meat and veggies.
Simmer until the tomatoes are falling apart and the pork is super tender.
Sprinkle some crumbled cotija cheese over the top and enjoy with a good beer.
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See? Kaos!
Sun so hot …
I froze to death
Iran rocked by abuse allegations against top Qur’an reciter https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/26/iran-abuse-allegations-quran-reciter-saeed-toosi
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Pain medicine: Scientists create an effective analgesic without side effects: tiovyurtsin http://phys.org/news/2016-10-scientists-effective-analgesic-side-effects.html
A million trillion tons of superhot exploding hydrogen nuclei just disappeared below the horizon, and in the process managed to look small, cold and slightly damp…
How a cancer group thwarted Facebook’s censorship: square breasts https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/20/facebook-bans-breast-cancer-video-square-breasts
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Exoplanets: A rare opportunity for planet hunting in Alpha Centauri A predicted for 2028 http://phys.org/news/2016-10-rare-opportunity-planet-alpha-centauri.html
12 years is a short time in spacecraft planning-. I hope it will be possible to send a swarm of space telescopes above the ecliptic so they form a line orthogonal to the movement of the microgravity focus as it moves across the solar system. That way the telescopes can get the maximum information from the lensing event.
@What a Maroon, living up to the ‘Nym – #16:
And you’re still able to type? I am impressed!
(My fingers get all stiff every time I die, it’s SO irritating…)
Wolbachia enthusiasts, take note:
Mosquitos to be infected with bacteria in fight against Zika virus https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/26/mosquitos-infected-wolbachia-bacteria-zika-virus
Now, to insert the zombie DNA into wolbachia, and we get a horror film plot…
quotetheunquote,
did you beat me to the zombie genotype?
birgerjohanssen @21, it’s already a novel, or rather a trilogy, the Newsflesh books by Mira Grant. I think the zombie-virus-infected mosquitos show up in the second book. *checks my library* Yes, the mosquitoes are in Deadline.
Susanna don’t you cry.
Denis Mukwege, a Congolese gynecologist who specializes in the treatment of women who have been gang-raped by rebel forces visited Umeå Friday to get a honorary degree and to speak about the situation in Congo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Mukwege
He was also present for the viewing of the documentary “The man who mends women” by Thierry Michel .
Wow.
There are youtube of Al Jolson in blackface singing O Susanna.
Colorized.
Re. @ 25, in retrospect, the post looks as if it is only about men describing a situation, but the event is of course all about the women and children that are systematically victimised, -many of whom were interviewed by Swedish TV for the event.
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Shit, the Philippines is about to get hit by another typhoon.
Jessica Valenti, who writes for The Guardian, gave a speech last week to a Planned Parenthood organization in New York: Grab Trump by the ballot: either our bodies are our own, or they’re not. She provides ample reason to vote for Clinton, not just against Drump: women’s rights, which is to say human rights. And to vote for down-ballot candidates who also support human rights, and where necessary to vote against those who do not support human rights. I found it a powerful statement.
Colorized blackface? (facepalm)
BTW, is “ebonics” a real bona fide pidgin, or is it a recent invention?
birgerjohansson — Per the Ppppfff “ebonics” was coined by Robert Williams in 1973, which is recent. Wikipedia also says it’s better known as “African American Vernacular English” among linguists, which suggests a bona fide dialect. I know it from much later, 1996, when the Oakland Unified School District recognized ebonics as an African language.
Brother Ogvorbis, thanks for the chili recipe. I do like pork in chili.
I also like sleep, and that ain’t happening. Housework isn’t happening, either, and I need to try again.
Not sure you want to imply being recent would make it not real. There’s a period of time after which such things “become real”? Anyway, if robro’s #30 is correct, only the name for it is as “recent” as 1973. It’s not obvious to me that more than four decades ago should count as recent for these purposes. That is after all several times older than some of the speakers. They are real, so why wouldn’t that be true of their dialect?
@birgerjohansson – #22.
No, afraid not. I just know a guy….
RE #21 birgerjohansson: Wolbachia
Perhaps it should be renamed Wollstonecraftia
You’re right, consciousness razor, “recent” is relative. It’s probably recent to me because its origin is within my adult life time.
Bro Ogvorbis wrote
Yum!
ZOMG! Dat’s a bunch o’ garlic. Is the final product overly garlicly after cooking it down a while?
Got a bunch of precious Hatch chiles from this season sitting in my freezer. I think this recipe is Hatch-worthy.
@ Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity
By a strange co-incidence I am just finishing some leftover carne con chili verde from Tino’s Too. I’m not sure what that proves about the universe, but it is delish!!
Larry @36:
No, the garlic does not overwhelm. Not sure why.
One of our local farms has started growning Hatch chilis — not quite as good as the ones from New Mexico, but the same varietal. They are fantastic and I can buy them for $1.99 a pound at our local grocerary store.
Dang it. “Time Bandits” was on the movie channel, but I just caught the end, and I spent most of that trying to get the hi-technology to jump back to the beginning and maybe record. Dang it.
Out here on the west coast, the Hatch is usually available only in August and September as they’re harvested in NM. I buy a bunch of them, usually pretty cheap, and freeze most of them and roast the rest for eventual use. They have just the right amount of heat and sweetness I like. I use them in chilis and stews as well as making a mean chile cheese burger.
Early voting has begun in most states. Don’t let a blizzard, a double shift, a sick kid, car troubles, etc., get in your way. VOTE NOW!!!
davidnangle@10
“Shit. Is MySpace still online? I daren’t look.”
The Google says it is. Blessed be the name of The Google.
“20 to 40 cloves of fresh garlic”
In Sri Lanka and India, they cook garlic curry–which is what it sounds like…garlic as a vegetable. It’s awesome.
Can’t do that. Mailed in our ballots about 10 days ago. ;)
Howdy all. For anybody in the Bay Area or involved in homeless support and activism, I want to bring attention to the situation with the local homeless newspaper in the East Bay, the Street Spirit. It has always been freely distributed to homeless folks, who then retail copies for a $1 suggested donation. It’s helped a lot of people survive over the last 20 years or so, and it’s actually a good source of news and comment and advocacy from the perspective of the most marginalized and destitute citizens of this affluent region. Anyway, the crisis is that the American Friends Service Committee, which has funded the operation for years is pulling out their ongoing support due to the dreaded “budgetary considerations”.
You can read a local news story about it here.
A local non-profit, Youth Spirit Artworks is stepping up to support the paper, and at that page you can find a link to donate, should you feel inclined.
I am not in any way affiliated with the paper or any of these organizations. I have just been a longtime reader and supporter of the homeless folks who distribute it, and thought I’d take the opportunity provided by teh poopyhead to broadcast the situation.
Thank you and good day.
Brother Ogvorbis @ 14
Sounds great, but I’d rupture and explode I’m in if I ate that.
birgerjohannson,
AAVE is definitely not a pidgin. Pidgin is a technical term, and one important characteristic of pidgins is that nobody is a native speaker. Once pidgins become the native language of a set of speakers, they become creoles, and show the linguistic complexity of all languages (of course, every language is both complex and simple in unique ways, but the important characteristic is that they can be used for all normal communicative purposes required by the language community).
AAVE may be a creole; it is certainly a dialect (understood as a form of language shared by a group of speakers–all of us who speak speak dialects). It may or may not be a language distinct from English, but that’s more of a social/political question than a linguistic question.
This article gives an excellent overview of the issues, though Fasold’s suggestion of the term “Ebonic” never caught on.
Addendum to my 47,
AAVE itself is not uniform; there are dialectal differences between the AAVE spoken in NY, LA, New Orleans, Atlanta, and so on.
re early voting: my paranoia says they are advocating it so much this year to give people a chance to avoid the Drumph Thugs who want to intimidate voters into voting FOR him and keeping away those who look like they’d vote against him. With early voting, one can casually drop by town hall (typically), at any time of day. As opposed to the previous, single election day with concentrated ballot arenas and specific time window of open polls.
argh, that’s just paranoid reaction to Drumph’s rhetoric calling for “monitors”, to “make sure no election fraud <*wink*>”.
from Drumph’s rhetoric, I inferred that he is hypocritically calling “the election rigged” while trying to rig it himself in his favor.
Early voting has nothing to do with Drumph, the two are synchronicitous. Early ballot capability is provided in response from complaints during previous cycles, about lines, and work-hours interfering, etc.
[oh whew, open thread; So nothing is OT, by definition]
It’s something of a controversy in historical linguistics whether AAVE developed as a dialect in English-speaking communities or was once a creole with Western African languages and English as its parent languages. It’s unproblematically a set of dialects (not just one, as WaM points out @48), and it’s not new at all, it’s hundreds of years old.
re 49: [addendum]
that rant was inspired by my visit today to my town hall to cast my early vote AGAINST Drumph (you can guess who FOR) also fulfilled down-ballot duties. *patting self on back*
I cannot vote early. Pennsylvania does not have early voting. In my area, there are many smaller polling stations which means I have never had to wait to cast a ballot. Of course, I am privileged: I am normally off work on Tuesdays, I have a car, I am mobile, I am not physically incapacitated. We should have early voting. But making it easier for people to cast votes leads to more people voting which is, to some, the very definition of fraud.
The comments under that article are frightening.
CJO,
Do you have a good link describing the controversy? I remember back in the day there was some speculation that Germanic itself was originally a creole (arising I think from a pidgin of some Indo-European language and some Finno-Ugric language); did anything ever come of that?
One more addendum to @47. When I say “all of us who speak speak dialects”, that should be understood to include sign languages. Sign language share all the relevant characteristics with spoken languages, including dialectal differences.
The Bungling Bundy Militia trial of the Bundy brothers who took over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and 5 other accused was in jury deliberations.
One of the jurors has been dismissed, allegedly for bias. An alternate juror will be added to the panel, and deliberations will begin anew.
The juror in question worked for the BLM as a firefighter 20 years ago. This was open knowledge during jury selection. Experts were surprised he wasn’t preemptively dismissed by the defense.
Personally, I wonder about the juror who claimed the bias.
What a Maroon,
I haven’t looked into it in a while, so no, I’m not aware of the current state of the controversy, such as it ever was, and so I must admit that it well may have been resolved by consensus since my undergraduate days when I took a course in HL.
The classic text on the subject, which I read, is Black English by J.L. Dillard, but I don’t recall if it deals much with origins.
As regards Proto-Germanic, i do recall learning that there are a lot of orphan lexemes (roots without clear Indo-European etymologies) in pG, but I had forgotten all about it. Just now I found a paper online, which I am perusing, but all the quotations of previous scholarship are German and I can’t read German.
That’s interesting. Contemporary AAVE (the sort I’m familiar with, that is) doesn’t feature borrowed foreign vocabulary or anything (except to the extent non-vernacular English does so as well). Not sure what the evidence may be in favor of that, but anyway it doesn’t seem like it’d be able to explain much of anything about current usage, given that there are no obvious traces now.
In my (limited) experience, it’s generally not so different from what you might call “AVE” or just “VE” — which I guess has been around (at least) the same amount of time as formal or literary (American) English, for what that’s worth. So, I don’t know how these things should really be categorized, but if you were going to draw a line anywhere, it seems like it would have to be a fairly blurry one. Seems like a mistake to think that there has to be one specific origin story, rather than a bunch of independent origins that led to the way things are now.
@Brother Ogvorbis, Fully Defenestrated Emperor of Steam, Fire and Absurdity #52
Even scarier in the light of this article.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/2016-election-pennsylvania-polls-voters-trump-clinton-214297
consciousness razor,
AAVE does share some features with other forms of the American vernacular, but it also has a number of grammatical and phonological features unique to it among American dialects, but not, as you note, much in the way of distinct vocabulary.
This PDF of the first chapter of Rickford 1999 has a handy set of tables outlining the distinct features of AAVE.
I got my dad to vote. In PA, His first time voting in the US (he moved to Canada before reaching voting age).
My sister and I also voted absentee for the first time, but in places that aren’t as critical.
cr,
There’s some–see here for a brief discussion–but yeah, it’s not terribly extensive (nothing like Gullah, for example).
Yeah, but it doesn’t even make sense historically to speak about one form of American English, even if you limit it to “formal” or “literary”. Different parts of America were settled by people from different parts of the British isles, and of course they mixed differently with different linguistic populations, both indigenous and colonizing. And of course they had different relations with the mother country (e.g., New Englanders for the most part and in contrast to southerners couldn’t send their kids to English universities because they weren’t Anglican).
That’s often the case with language (and a lot of other things)–just try figuring out for example where Asturiano ends and Gallego begins.
Excellent point.
Thanks for the link.
Myself, I’m allergic to German.
*rant*
Just had a call from someone claiming to represent my ISP provider, probably for a survey. However, we get a shitload of calls from people trying to get us to change our: electrical service provider, gas provider, cable provider, etc., and I am tired of even listening to their garbage.
ISP, you want me to talk to these people, please e-mail me that it will be happening, and give me an extension through your main switchboard to verify/be transferred to these people who are allegedly representing you, or have the caller ID come up you. No cold calls for any reason. Get it?
*/rant*
Rochambeau is the former name of the international airport in French Guyana, 15 km south of Cayenne.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayenne_%E2%80%93_F%C3%A9lix_Ebou%C3%A9_Airport
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/oct/21/jill-stein/jill-stein-green-party-candidate-correct-about-us-/
Obama bombarded more countries than Bush.
I wonder about the actual death tolls and how justified they could be tho.
Clinton will probably and hopefully win the elections, she’ll get a fuckload of flak for everything she’ll do, EXCEPT bombing everything, unconditional Israel support and banks, because they are the accepted status quo for any politician in the US and it’s not really newsworthy.
@iyad_elbaghdadi is a Muslim liberal activist, and he supports US/Eu intervention in Syria to stop Russia/Assad from bombing civilians.
I respect the guy enough to allow him to challenge my hard-core pacifism, (and the situation in Syria should challenge any ideology whatsoever), but I am really torn on the issue; the only comfort is that whatever I decide is going to make zero difference in what happens, so I’ll try to make a donation to the Red Cross and hope the slaughter cease as soon as possible.
I learned lately I have a weird mental condition called aphanatasia which makes me unable to mentally visualize. I’ve always known I couldn’t visualize, I just didn’t know, until recently, that that wasn’t normal. Still really weird to me that people can see things in their head when they imagine or remember. It’s weird to other people that I don’t, though. Anyone else have that?
gwen@66
Blake Ross of Firefox fame apparently has aphantasia. This is a cool post by him:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/blake-ross/aphantasia-how-it-feels-to-be-blind-in-your-mind/10156834777480504/
Are you there yet?
What’s for lunch?
I’m a bit behind
but for those who are behinder
QI series N videos are all over yooutuube.
chigau, QI is the reverse of IQ, but I understand it’s a favourite of the masses.
(I tried to watch it a couple of times, eventually worked out it was a comedy, not a quiz show — so its silliness was intentional. Much like Survivor, I’m saddened but not surprised it is still going.)
As commented in a previous thread, Michael Shermer’s gaffe on gene inheritance can be found in first edition hardcovers of his book Why People Believe Weird Things. I found a first edition, fifth printing copy at a used book store and mailed it to PZ recently. So if the topic comes up again, he can back me up.
John Morales #70
Chacun à son goût.
Gwen,
Not only do I not have aphanatasia, I remember when I became conscious of being able to visualize objects, and when I do visualize them, they appear to be in a specific location, slightly to the right and about the height of my forehead. I can rotate them and move them, but it’s always like I am seeing them with my right eye.
So… a Danish party paid for an ad to get Americans in Denmark to vote.
Video: http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/sf-blander-sig-i-amerikansk-valgkamp-med-trumps-rullende-oejne#!/
I wonder how long it’ll take you to live this whole thing down.
I just took my annual commuter survey from my agency. They calculated my global warming impact as:
Today’s APOD has a giant cosmic squid. This must be the universe smiling upon our community.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1610/Sh2-129+OU4+vdB140_Rolf-Geissinger1024.jpg
pedantik @76:
I see a perfecto cigar. No squid.
I see … a cigar, yes, definitely, it’s a cigar.
If you could add 1 amendment to the United States constitution, what would it be?
@79 — Every household must put out peanuts and cheese every night for the wild animals who no longer have enough habitat to support themselves.
@79 — Every ten million residents gets you another Senator. It’s fucking ridiculous that 450,000 cracker ranchers in Wyoming have the same electoral clout as one hundred times that many Californians.
@80 — Yes!! But for humans. Every neighbor on the block must host a cocktail party once per year. Think of the psycho-socio-political benefits.
@67 The Blake Ross article is fantastic, and it was really cool to read it and see where our minds were similar and dissimilar. I’m personally able to process visual concepts, and remember the appearance of things even when I’m not looking at them. I do not have a picture of those things in my head when I’m remembering what they look like.
I’m thinking of what my son looks like, and I know exactly what he looks like, but I can’t see him in my head. Blake Ross, however, would not know what he looked like, but might be able to tell you details about him.
It’s weird, and sits in my brain very similarly to how people describe their mental imagery, and I can manipulate it should I want, such as giving my son a top hat. But I cannot actually see him or the top hat, even though I just put an invisible top hat on an invisible child that. I have almost all the functionality of a visual imager, but without the cool special effects. Blake Ross, by contrast, is functionally very different from a visual imager. I suspect our conditions have a similar result but different causes. I think my form is neurologically very similar to a true visual image, except that a glitch prevents me from seeing it, but does not prevent me from manipulating it. I’d love to learn why!
I can also dream visually, in full color. I often do so lucidly. My daydreams are nothing like sleep dreams, and I’m a little jealous now of what other peoples daydreams were like. When I read a book, I don’t “see” the action, as with any other image I create, but I can feel its existence and know what it looks like. So unlike purely verbal aphantasics, I can go “that’s not how I imagined them looking” when I see the film of the book, even though I’ve never actually seen them, unless the character actually shows up in a dream.
@73 My “images,” such as they are, are in the middle of my head, a little to the front. Generally as though I were seeing with both eyes, if I were able to see. I can move them around, though, or place them inside my field of view if my eyes are away. It’s very difficult to maintain anything like this, and I was barely aware of doing any of it before I learned about the condition. But I can do it to an extent, clumsily and blindly, by feeling it. My eyes tend to follow whatever I’m imagining, even if my eyes are closed.
After not murdering a bunch of armed white men, the government has declined to properly prosecute them — the Ammon bunch are acquitted.
@numerobis: yup.
In the meanwhile https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/25/north-dakota-oil-pipeline-protest-arrests-journalists-filmmakers
Maybe they should have had guns and cowboy hats?
This will teach them, how dare they not be white and mess with powerful oil interest rather than a park office.
numerobis #83
Amazing.
What will Trump have to say?
@ 83 numerobis
“the government has declined to properly prosecute them” seems unfair. The government were the prosecution, they were acquitted by a jury.
jury
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they put together an impartial jury
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Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?
anbheal @81,
Perhaps I’m just cynical, but I wonder how true the statement remains if the word “residents” is removed.
It was a pretty sad moment when I realised that PZ couldn’t even beg to be trolled anymore so the least I could do was provide him the relevance hit he so desperately craves.
But while I’m here I maybe the (wink) horde could riddle me this …
Why the massive decline in overall site relevance? http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/freethoughtblogs.com
I know stalwart FtBer Richard Carrier has been exiled as an alleged (by a women so … you know) sexual monster and ravisher of women. And of course the motley gang of young turks (and Ms Zvan) set up their own vibrant well read orbit.
But really. Can the free-fallblogs syndrome be so easily explained?
This podcast by slymepit regulars has 64k views.
https://youtu.be/O6MgnlUbRZI
This FtB con video has 5K views.
https://youtu.be/Ea46b1Wj-rg
Shame eh? No.
Did anybody think it odd that when Muslim nutters killed 130 people in Paris, PZ felt the appropriate response was to endlessly attack Sam Harris for his words?
Without a single Paris post apart from the one where he said quote “I don’t have much to say”.
You couldn’t parody this.
rochambeau
Comments 90-92 must die
Have I been ninja’d on this? Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali declared anti-muslim extremists by the Southern Poverty Law Center. I knew these guys were clowns after they said Pepe was a hate symbol, but at least that was funny. This is completely fucking outrageous.
Hey Mark. Not safe enough a zone for you?
Red Pill now has a venue in Melbourne but they have to pay huge security costs AND they can’t tell anyone the location because of the fear of psychos. Fucking mental shit.
Prescient PZ. :)
@ 98 John Morales
I would say “experienced”.
You have to wonder why they bother. Surely there are more pleasurable forms of masturbation.
translation: “I’m easily goaded and completely lack self control and I really wanna be an edge lord and be all internet popular and I’ve heard you be that way by being an asshole, but I don’t think I’m doing it right as I don’t have tons of followers someone please help me learn to troll.”
Silentbob, both are true (experienced and prescient!).
BTW, this is where it becomes pointless to use current comment numbers for reference, since the comment-count will decrease once PZ gets around to fumigating.
(As PZ once explained, it’s far easier for him to nuke the bunch with the one click than to individually remove content merely to preserve comment-numbering)
Of course, it’s still possible to refer to particular comments using anchor tags to the anchors provided in the comment timedate stamp, so long as those particular comments remain. Easy, too, because since they’re intradocument references, so only a relative reference is required: for example,
<a href="#comment-1046722">Comment currently numbered 100</a>links to Silentbob’s previous comment, yielding Comment currently numbered 100.
This works because the numbering normally seen is generated live, but the comment references are in the platform’s database.
In passing, that numbering indicates how many comments this particular instantiation of PZ’s blog has received hitherto. Over a million!
Funny how he cites FTB’s Alexa rankings as a marker of ‘free-fall’ loss of relevance, but when it comes to a head-to-head comparison he drops Alexa without further mention. I wonder why…?
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/freethoughtblogs.com
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/slymepit.com
Global rank 69,065, -16,192 in last 3 months
Global rank 2,855,922, -526,490 in last 3 months
Hmmmmmmm.
But anyway, rochambeau, 90-92, 94-97, 99, 101, 106-110. Quite a busy munchkin for someone claiming to be ‘pity-trolling.’
Funny how he cites FTB’s Alexa rankings as a marker of ‘free-fall’ loss of relevance, but when it comes to a head-to-head comparison he drops Alexa without further mention. I wonder why…?
(Reposted with urls omitted)
Global rank 69,065, -16,192 in last 3 months
Global rank 2,855,922, -526,490 in last 3 months
Hmmmmmmm.
But anyway, rochambeau, 90-92, 94-97, 99, 101, 106-110. Quite a busy munchkin for someone claiming to be ‘pity-trolling.’
if FtB is so irrelevant why do you insist on driving up its traffic by trolling it
you’re not a MGTOW are you? they too have a penchant of “ignoring” problems by incessantly bleating about them
PZ quoth “the cowardly trolls always take advantage of my absences to crap on the site”
And lo, briue1987 doth come in and take a massive shit. Why don’t you just fuck off?
ahh I figured it out. briue1987 wanked one too many times on his copy of Atlas Shrugged and now he has nothing better to do until his new copy comes in the mail
Why did it take so long for the wanking to begin?
Why is there only one?
While the cat’s away, the mice will play and congratulate themselves for totally not being cowards until the cat returns. Such bravery.
About the Bundy bunch:
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/14900368_10154199749422672_6375237520325728578_n.jpg
(What’s the magic incantation here to embed a photo?)
Oh, wait, must be friends-only. Shoot.
It’s amazing how clever these pitters think they are.
it’s a great example of Dunning Kruger.
I wonder what it’s like living in your parent’s basement until you’re 50?
I wonder what it’s like to have the cognitive dissonance required to go to other peoples’ spaces and harass them while claiming that you’re the good guy and we’re the regressives.
When were there moderators on Pharyngula?
Ever?
Watch and listen to this all the way to the end:
wrt the discussion on AAVE: my understanding is that the creole hypothesis is based mainly on certain features of how aspect (sort of like tense) works in AAVE (notably, so-called “habitual be”, where something like “he be smoking” means something like “he habitually smokes” (not “he’s smoking right now”)). Proponents of the creole theory say that similar patterns are found in West Indies Creoles and in various west African languages, but not in any other varieties of English. So, the theory goes, this grammatical feature might be a relic of the grammars of the languages spoken by the Africans who were brought to the Americas as slaves.
Evenin’ all.
Probably wildy off topic, but as winter bears down on us like a charging hippo, I’ve been looking for some fun board games for 2+ players – anyone got any recommendations?
I was looking at Pathfinder Rise of the Runelords, but don’t know if it’s too time intensive. I always found that a problem with Arkham Horror. Munchkin is fun for a group, but I wanted to try something new.
All ideas welcome.
nelliebly@erstwhile#136,
I like 7 Wonders. Dominion is also fairly quick.
Give me a random assortment of pieces and I’ll have invented a board game in 2-3 hours, but no sorry I can’t think of any offhand.
Trip Space-Parasite
7 wonders looks really nice – and I think the classic civilisation theme would go down well with the gang – doesn’t look too expensive either!
Nice rec, thank you!
@136
Depends, do you want more abstract game-y ones or more in-depth dungeon crawls ala Betrayal at House on the Hill?
In the former case, Settlers of Catan is one of my favorites. In the latter case, I really like Talisman.
Regarding the Bundy group acquittal—this article from 10/18 discusses the wordsmithing that went into the jury instructions. Of note, two of the defendants (who were representing themselves) were involved in crafting the jury instructions. Perhaps the article does not paint an accurate picture, but it seems that their input was weighed as much as that from people who have actual law degrees. These jury instructions played a large part in the acquittal.
Can anyone with knowledge of federal court proceedings weigh in on whether this was a good way for the judge to handle it, or was she too accommodating?
Vivec
I like both, although I’ve generally found others get a bit put off by games with a lot of set-up. We played Mansions of Madness, which was pretty fun. My character wound up being loaded with weapons and charging the monsters in a self-destructive and ultimately futile attempt to stop an infernal device – good times!
Catan is loads of fun with a group, but I’ve never tried it 2 player – does it still play well?
I think so. The biggest problem I’ve had with two-man catan is that it can get very un-fun if one player takes it more seriously than the other. It’s easy to snowball into the late game without a third player mitigating things.
7 wonders is a fabulous game, especially with larger groups because everyone does something every round. Even if you lose, you are never stuck.
Settlers is the first German game to have really exploded in North America. It was revolutionary. But having played many newer games since, I now hate Settlers. It’s too common to spend round after round just doing nothing, which is depressing.
I’ve been out of touch though. Surely there’s some newer games that are great? 7 wonders is almost 10 years old by now.
Aside from settlers, my gaming group’s played Ticket to Ride and Cthulhu 500 a lot, but the latter is much more fun with a bigger group and a round of beers.
It appears that the acquittal of the Bungling Bundy Militia hinged on the definition of the “conspiracy”.
It almost sound like something was missing in the jury instructions, as from my reading, there was a legal conspiracy, not necessarily the common meaning of conspiracy, one with a secret group, passwords, and other things.
Legal definitions, like scientific definitions, are often quit a bit different from those in common usage. Take the word theory, for example.
I like Ticket to Ride, but I’d never heard of Cthulhu 500. Thanks for the suggestions Vivec. I’m calling at the game shop tomorrow, and I’ll have a look for it, 7 Wonders and Talisman.
Uh. Well given that its 05:47 in Bejing, he’s probably asleep. That’s generally how it works.
Well no, but it’s generally a good idea to try and stick to local time as soon as possible to minimise the extent of jetlag. Personally, when I fly long distance I set my watch to destination time once the plane’s aloft. You can’t stick to a routine entirely, but I find it helps.
I generally try to go to bed at local time whenever possible when I travel far enough to warrant a big time zone change.
7 Wonders doesn’t work well with fewer than 3 or 4, but there is a related 2-player game, 7 Wonders Duel. I have not yet tried it, but hear it is good.
Anyone remember the band Farside? Whenever I see or hear the word Rochambeau, that song starts playing in my head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtYxRI5Qk_Q
One of these days I’m gonna drunk order like $1000 from Revelation and get all the CDs that I’ve lost, sold, or f’d up over the years. I need to replace my Descendants “I Don’t Want to Grow Up” shirt too. Mine’s getting pretty ratty.
Brive, you obsessive little wankstain. How the hell are you?
Oh wait, don’t answer, nobody cares.
I must confess that I am at a lose sometimes in reading this blog. The conservation can get very esoteric sometimes. The science can get very detailed as can the philosophical and political conservation it is a good stretch for my mind to try and understand what is being talked about and how.
then there are some who come here for a brief flutter who seem to think reality is a contest between egos with the toughest one determining what is real.
they are usually laughed at and treated rudely though ignoring them would get the same result.
uncle frogy
Rochambeau sez: Comments 159 through 164 are not long for this world.
Also, two people coming to Pharyngula to publicly preen at each other about how horrible Pharyngula is? Is that what you folks call “virtue signaling?”
by the way I aspire to the working class it would be a step up from the no work class!
uncle frogy
rochambeau
Comment 167 must die.
@ 81 anbheal, I think you’re being tongue-in-cheek, but I’m not positive, so…what the hell is wrong with Wyoming? I’ve lived here for many years. OK, maybe it’s not my bag politically, but who doesn’t like a good argument? So, yeah, we have 3 electoral votes, and I sure am glad we do since this state is likely to go for Trump. Yes, we’ll probably gift Liz Cheney to the House of Representatives, but there are a lot of people here who can’t stand her!
*sigh*
brive, srsly. Can you fuckin’ juggle or something? This has to be the most boring trolling EVAH!!
“PZ, yer momma wears army boots”, would be a step up from this shit. Give up loser. You’re just not cut out for it.
silentbob #172 *Delurk*I think he has “issues”. He seems to be obsessed about male masturbation, which is common among serial killers and their ilk. No doubt he has an internet history on his computer that is borderline illegal, if not so.*Relurk*
briue1987
How’s your daughter doing?
@ 173 miles links
erm… No. I don’t agree. Pitter’s like Brive are not dangerous — they are sad fantasists. They imagine they are some bold skeptical resistance against “political correctness” (or some such shit). They long to be George Wallace in the Schoolhouse Door. They never stop to think what happened to George Wallace.
She’s a little young for you, chigau. Who do you think you are? Ogvorbis?
rochambeau 174,too, PZ.
So, here is vibrant evidence that pitters are still obsessed about Pharyngula, after lo these many years.
Shame playing with the vermin is now deprecated.
(Puny, petty and predictable… but mostly, pathetically needy. Heh)
Today I managed to be injured in a truly absurd way by my supervisor. I needed something out of our high value cabinet and she decided to toss me the keys to it as she was also monitoring anesthesia for the spay/neuter clinic today. This means, however, that she was about 20 feet away from me when she decided to lob a ring of various bits of metal in my general direction.
And I CAUGHT it! …. Except I caught it a little two well, and it turns out a couple of her keys are oddly shaped and therefore extremely pointy. The end result of my spectacular catch of pointy metal was 1/3 of an inch of key embedded into my hand, midway between thumb and forefinger. I, naturally, immediately let go of the keys. But they were in there well enough that I then had embedded key… and 5 more dangling from it. Once I extricated myself I started bleeding all over the place and with a little pressure quite a decent volume of subcutaneous tissue would evert itself.
Went in to the worker’s comp place, which kept asking what bit me “My manager’s keys” , got the best tetanus shot of my life (seriously, that young woman is AMAZING, and snarky and I seriously want to be her friend), the wound cleaned with betadine (which burns), and some bandage supplies.
Hafta admit, I kinda wish I’d thought to dribble some tattoo ink in there before it swelled shut.
Rowan, ouch! But it’s OK, you’ll always have the scar. :)
—
FWIW, I once managed to accidentally stab my hand with a fine pen, thus giving myself a tattoo (my only one, even though it’s but a dark spot).
briue1987 / ezjay
Before you were banned, you spent a significant amount of time describing how you were training your daughter.
Did that work out as you expected?
Rowan
I’m glad it worked out OK.
When people lob stuff at me,
I usually leap out of the way and watch where it hits.
Then pick it up.
Maybe
after giving it a poke
What a vile attempt at a gotcha, using someone who was raped, abused, and forced to hurt others as some kind of memetic rapist.
briue1987
What the fuck does mean?
I’ll pass, thanks.
@ 184
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I’ll grant you — I didn’t think anyone would top Trump’s “no one has more respect for women than me”. :-)
chigau, vivec, you should realise you’re doing just what PZ asked you not to do — appeasing their neediness.
(Buzzing flies are to be swatted or ignored; and only PZ can swat)
briue1987 #188
We have lumps of it round the back.
John Morales
DON’T TELL ME WAHT TO DO!!?!
chigau, :)
Yeah.
briue1987
What do you want?
.
All of your comments are pitiful and pathetic.
You were banned a couple of years ago.
Have you spent those two years plotting and planning
Do you not understand how pathetic that is?
#199
jezus
how does bafflegab combine with masturbation?
“FtB barely rates a mention at the Pit”
At thime of this writing, 14 of 41 posts on the latest page of the undead thread are about PZ or FtB. That’s just over a third of the current conversation, making it the largest individual conversation topic even after all these years. But I suppose that’s an improvement on the old ridiculously obsessive days…?
“PZ just happened to catch my attention with his PLEASE DONT TROLL ME plea.”
Except he didn’t bother making a request resembling ‘please don’t troll me’ at all, he knows well that you lots always pop out of the woodwork to flaunt your obsession at every chance.
I’ve never quite understood why anyone thinks that society should be unjust.
(Wincing at multiple misspellings in a confused comment. Is proofreading so hard?)
Red pen:
“i find” ⇒ “I find”
“happliy amoungst theselves” ⇒ “happily amongst themselves” (3 in a row? Really?)
“extracr” ⇒ “extract”
“un noticed ⇒ “unnoticed”
“sinequred” ⇒ “given a sinecure”
“requre” ⇒ “require”
The syntactical and semantical problems in the paragraph would require additional effort.
briue1987
Why are you doing this?
It is pitiful.
@ 204 Mark Bolton
You misspelled it. It’s briue1987. Usually known as Brive 1987. A notorious anti-feminist fucknuckle.
Is “extracting sunlight from cucumbers” a euphemism for something, or just word salad?
Owlmirror
I am dead certain that is a euphesimsm for …
pick something
Things I’ve always wondered about anti-SJWs: If they were in fact black, or female, or a member of some other minority — would they agree that it was right and proper for society to discriminate against them? Would they insist that they would in fact deserve to be discriminated against?
I can sort-of understand how theists might subscribe to the Just World Fallacy, but I don’t quite see how atheists would rationalize it.
“Couldn’t be that this conversation is rating a mention could it?”
Ah, so now you’re saying it does rate a mention. Gotcha.
@ 214 briue1987
Mate. Seriously, I’ve tried to be charitable. But, honestly. Even if you weren’t so pathetic, you still wouldn’t crack me up. Is there no one in your anti-feminist hate-club who can crack a joke? Your attempt at trolling has failed miserably. Would it be too much to ask, that before all your comments get flushed, you at least try to say something funny? You are by far the saddest troll ever. Do you have anything? I mean, come on. This is the shittiest attempt at trolling I’ve ever seen. Do you have anything? Anything at all?
I guess anti-SJWs cannot even understand that they think that discrimination is implicitly correct.
After all, the attempt to improve justice in society means that discrimination should be lessened or ended; therefore, the opposition to the improvement of social justice means that they think that discrimination should be continued or increased.
I shouldn’t have to spell that out, but some people cannot make a logical inference without careful instruction.
Gah.
More red pen:
“an interlocutor grammer” ⇒ “an interlocutor’s grammar”
“such contadictry creature” ⇒ “such a contradictory creature”
“Afterall” ⇒ “After all,”
“That cotton wont” ⇒ “That cotton won’t”
Extracting coherent meaning from the comment is not helped by fixing the spelling, punctuation, and grammar. What does it even mean? That there are black women who think that blacks and/or women should be picking cotton and be kicked out of respectable universities?
And what does referencing one of the more obscure parts of Gulliver’s Travels have to do with anything? Is the academy of Lagado supposed to be relevant somehow?
Owlmirror, it is always difficult to try and delve into troll’s mental processes (almost an oxymoron there, I know), but I think they are trying both to make fun of the lack of erudition of FtB commentators (BWAHAHAHA you do not know classics) and at the same time to paint us all as snobby intelectuals (ya’ll picing on tpyos and not concreting on the maening ya are meenies!).
I have recently finally unsubscribed from quite a few of my former youtube atheist subscribtions – I remained subscribed only to Steve Shives, AronRa and TheThinkingAtheist, although I do not manage to watch all their videos by far – because more and more of them jumped on this peculiar “anti SJW” wagon. From what I glimpsed it seems to me some of them see “SJW” as not helping social justice by fighting for it, but they are hindering it with that fight. They think that all that is needed for just world is to not make a fuss and everything will be dandy because we already have laws about equality and that is all that is needed.
In this regard, they are like creationists in science debate. Or the famous pidgeon in a game of chess – comes, knocks down all the pieces, craps all over the chessboard and afterwards preens himself (it is almost always he) in front of his mates as the ultimate winner.
Charly, what about Theramin Trees, QualiaSoup and NonStampCollector?
They’re pretty good.
Oh, I fogot those three. I am subscribed to them too. Oops.
Alas, the poor sad anti-sjw trolls these days, they try to shit on PZ’s carpet but just end up leaving a silvery trail.
“Holms #213. Congratulations. You just self-defined moron.”
Oh you mean Mark Bolton? Amazingly, I actually agree with your estimation of him: he is definitely a stupid person affecting a smart person.
Correction? But you were completely correct about the person that posted #213. Why spoil your only accurate comment so far?
Boring. Trolls just ain’t what they used to be. What happened to that Elfwick guy?
It could be worse. This guy’s crap, but they could’ve sent Steersman.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Fuck, even saying the name puts me to sleep.
I gave you all a perfectly good band and record label to listen to/investigate in # 157 and instead, many of you are feeding this dimwit troll. Starve the asshat, and listen to 90’s hardcore and emo instead. A much better and entertaining use of your time, and just as likely to make the twit see reason as any response to him will.
Brother Ogvorbis @ 14 : you probably wouldn’t like my chili. It has tomatoes in it, and I use (horrors) a brand name seasoning mix. I use ground beef, to which I add 1 can of diced tomatoes, one can of rotel tomato-pepper-onion mix, 1 can kidney beans, and 1 can chili beans, also with onions and peppers. add to this one 12oz can tomato sauce. get it all incorporated and then add in about 1.5L water. bring to a low boil and then lower temperature to a simmer, and let it cook down for an hour or so. The longer it cooks the better, but add water if the volume falls too low.
Top with shredded cheese if desired, serve with crackers or cornbread.
asclepias, #171:
Errr, three is a small number, so it’s good in the sense that only three will be going to him from WY. But the good part here is really that he’ll probably also lose enough of the other states, meaning that Clinton will win.
However, smaller (less-populous) states have a proportionally greater influence on electoral college results than larger states, because electoral votes are not uniformly distributed by population but are weighted in favor of smaller states. So, in a different sense, you shouldn’t be glad about that: those Trump voters are doing more damage per capita than they would if they were elsewhere. In other words, fewer voters in WY (or AK, DC, and so forth) are “represented” by a single elector, relative to larger states (CA, TX, FL, NY and so forth) where many more people would need to vote a certain way to get an equivalent result.
Putting it that way is a little misleading, by making a simplifying assumption that electors will follow the popular vote of their state, which need not happen. States (not people) are the things which the Constitution grants voting rights for electing the president/VP, and it’s still true that the states’ electors (who are of course people or possibly reptilians) aren’t assigned strictly on the basis of population.
@Charly:
Given that even trolls agree that my arguments are logical, intellectual, and compelling, they’re not doing a good job of making me feel bad about not remembering a small and obscure part of a classic.
Oh, and quitting in response to me providing some free copy-editing (and noting that there are problems interpreting even the corrected text) does not make me feel bad about being helpful.
This entire thread must die.
It appears SpaceX is closing in on the cause of their latest anomaly.
The helium is used to keep the liquid oxygen tank at constant pressure when the rocket motor burns, removing the liquid oxygen from the tank.
We’re making apple sauce.
What a pain.
*delurk again for trolls* I see the naughty little boy is still running around with his penis in hand, waggling it in everyone’s face. Do us all a favor including yourself and ask your mom to put the laundry on. Perhaps watching a nice spin cycle will calm you down, little boy.
Is anyone else thinking that we should maybe treat Briue1987 as an ally, sort of? (S)he seems to be in a place of personal unhappiness, whereby (s)he gains comfort from invading and abusing within other’s spaces. Even to a layperson this is clear from this thread. I am definitely not qualified to make this call so would appreciate the input of others who might be. I am aware of health information privacy issues, so perhaps go somewhere private for this discussion?
miles links #255
The polite thing to do when you encounter someone masturbating is to say ‘sorry’ and leave.
It is not necessary to engage them in conversation.
and it really should not invite keyboard psychiatry.
For good news on the kitty nymsake front, the Rowan has been diagnosed with SIBO and will be on a 6 week course of meds to correct this. She does not have cancer (hooray!) and this explains all her symptoms and the 1lb weight loss in the last month as she isn’t able to properly absorb nutrients currently.
And fortunately today I’m able to use my hand and it only hurts with pressure applied directly to the wound itself so I wasn’t useless at work. Which is important because we are currently battling the Ringworm Apocalypse. We’re hoping to clear 6 of the 30 or so cats this week.
Also, for fun slightly older news…. last week I got to examine a completely awake mountain lion cub that someone found and brought in to my work! He was probably around 10 to 15 lbs. Officially coolest wildlife related thing I’ve gotten to do. Others include x-rays on a coyote pup (broken spine, unfortunately), examining a hawk that I suspect was shot by a pellet gun, and having a heron come uncomfortably close to blinding or even killing me (thank goodness for glasses). Oh, and the screech owl that someone had illegally kept as a pet and was tame and would glare at you if you didn’t give it scritchies.
I seriously love pulling the late shift at my job.
I saw a lucistic hummingbird today. That was pretty neat..
I also tried Kao Pun Tod. That was pretty tasty.
#262 briue1987: “hammer”, “silo”, “pack”, “tear”, “bloody”, “fucking”, “bloody” again. Do you not see what you are doing in public, how you present yourself? Do you have a diagnosis from a mental health professional? Please don’t just accept what your primary physician tells you I have so many horror stories (myself and friends) who got told to have a drink and get over it. Literally in some cases. Metaphorically in most. Please consider this. THERE IS NO SHAME IN A MENTAL HEALTH DIAGNOSIS. People die thinking that.
Friend,
Miles.
miles links #264
You seem to be attempting to sincerely engage in a conversation with someone who is not sincere.
You should stop.
Woozy…. there are no words for my jealousy about the leucy hummerbird.
I have seen exactly 2 hummingbirds in real life.
woozy #263
re: Kao Pun Tod
google fail me
what is it?
#265 chigau (sorry I cannot make these characters):
I apologize, and I will stop doing so. Thank you for the prompt. I guess I am too trusting of others I thought Briue1987 was just in need of a “friend” or at least a friendly word. I guess from reading more of the thread again that (s)he is known to you? Anyway I will step back into the shadows and just watch.
Regards,
Miles
miles links #269
briue1987 has a history here in Pharyngula.
Not much of it was good.
Thank you for trying to help.
I’m not sure how rare a leucitic Anna’s hummingbird is but it’s apparently a big deal that one is hanging out in the arboretum here. It was a nice days outing.
i’I’m pretty jealous about the mountain lion cub. I have a fondness for mountain lions.
Kao Pun Tod may or may not be common or this restaurant may have completely invented it. It was fried tuna rolls in panko crumbs. Never had it before.
Hummingbirds are fairly common in North America. This one has little pigment and is bright white in color.
Meanwhile… the ability to leave comments on a message board is somehow … something. Sheesh, what a bore.
woozy
“fried tuna rolls in panko crumbs”
sounds good to me
Fried tuna rolls in panko crumbs. hm… My mom used to make salmon patties. different sort of thing. wish I had her recipe.
While it’s interesting that trolls concede that I am their intellectual superior, it bothers me that they are focusing on praising my intelligence rather than trying to analyze their own mental defects.
Why do trolls hate women? Did their mothers give them too little affection, or too much?
Why do trolls hate people who are different from themselves? Are they really so incapable of empathic rationality?
Why do trolls hate truth? Did a logic table give them a papercut when they were young?
In happier news, onion naan is totally a (yummy) thing.
Owlmirror #275
recipe or it didn’t happen
Owlmirror #274
That was the mostest metaest …
Owlmirror (#216)
Well, a few days ago there was that black Trump supporter who got booted from a Trump rally after being mistaken for a paid “thug” and was totally okay with it. He said Trump has faced so much “black hate” that he couldn’t possibly know better or something.
#262 translated:
Waaaaaah I was hoping for a banning so I could brag about being banned again as a form of validation amongst my peer group, but my nemesis is getting on with other shit in his life and now I’m pouting :((((((((((((
miles links
See?
read #280
Cites Nugent as a credible source? A mild chuckle is what that deserves.
Well, I hope that briue never gets into an accident and is bleeding out and someone comes over and tries to pray for them instead of summoning an ambulance.
briue1987 #285
“…his point back to primary source material is impressive.”
[my emphasis]
fmg that is so sad
I say we keep this ‘Briue1987’.
The points she makes about race, cultural appropriation and gender are all too easy to demolish, and doing so will only show the anti-SJWs to be the hollow people we know them to be.
@293 Briue: A MtF trans can’t become a Lesbian, you dolt. Did you ever see a lesbian place her penis in a vagina? I thought not.
Yep, she’s a keeper, old Briue is.
Love your comment about Chiquita. “One drop of blood’, anyone?
Sorry, meant Chigau. Damn auto-correct.
My point is that many First Peoples (and black people) are very fair, and yes, some even have red hair, freckles and, yes, blue eyes. It isn’t about whether you have the so-called ‘some drop of blood”, it’s whether you racially identify as a First Person, or Aboriginal, or African American, as the case may be.
it has been a very long time since anyone has ever posted any reasons for their disagreement with PZ and many here. There used to be from time to time some real apologist for various contrary ideas who attempted to engage with real ideas and reasons for their disagreement.
now all we ever see are pointless post after post with nary a thought or idea in sight other than to say they disagree with everyone and everything even tone but not how or why.
sad gutless dolts indeed!
uncle frogy
@300 unclefrogy
“it has been a very long time since anyone has ever posted any reasons for their disagreement with PZ and many here. ”
That is precisely becuase they were all banned, and not soon enough, in my book.
You get idiots like Briue1987 and her ilk sticking what passes for her head above the parapet now and then, but usually they’re ban-hammered by PZ before they can say much.
This time I’m guessing PZ is letting her stay around to make a fool of herself, and why not? She’s a perfect example of why we don’t need ‘the other side’ coming in here.
Great goodness, this is pathetic.
You’re so totally not obsessed with a place that you wait for a time when you know you won’t be instabanned to go there. You know you’re not welcome there, you know you’re not going to change anybody’s mind (though you could alert a few people who previously didn’t know you’re an utter ass of that fact), but just for the small possibility of hurting someone, you go there anyway.
I’m sorry for you, brive. Really, what a sad little existence you must lead.
Does that even make sense?
Giliell,
You expect slyme to understand consent?
As for your previous comment: it probably makes more sense if you take into account that brive doesn’t understand the difference between a personal blog of someone and an entire movement that isn’t “owned” by anyone in particular.
zenlike
It’S not even consent, it’s more like making sense on a very basic level. Like, what do you want to achieve? I mean, really, it’s just sad. It’s like the kid chewing gum in class to get attention.
Where is PZ? Does anyone actually know? Has he actually hit firewall probs in China?
I hope the authorities haven’t taken an ‘interest’ in him. Which you’d think would be wrong-headed; as he has many times pointed out China’s problematic human rights record has more to do with their colonial past than any political or cultural issues.
@briue1987: Imagine what you could have gotten done if you’d used all your time trolling this thread for something constructive instead. Raked the yard? Winterized the home? Cleaned the garage? Read a book? Made a decent Tonkotsu? Volunteered at a charity? Hell, arguing about The Walking Dead premiere on a related forum would be a better use of time.
Seriously, it’s pathetic to see someone so obsessed with pettiness throw away so much time to spam a blog just because they know they can get away with it for a day or two. FFS, get a life. The regs here are at least regs, spending their usual amount of time on the blog. You’re actively going out of your way, making time, only to waste it just being a pest.
And you can’t find a better use of that talent?
Maybe we could veer into a different, non-controversial, topic:
Maajid Nawaz – ‘Moderate Reformer’, or ‘Anti-Muslim Extremist’?
SPLC says the latter.
Why is soda made from lightly sweetened pink grapefruit juice just so damn delicious? I’m not especially keen on sodas or on grapefruit juice alone, but get ’em married and somehow the result is ambrosial.
@295 Rochambeau
Even discounting that transgender lesbians exist, plenty of lesbians have had piv sex.
People experiment and sometimes get into relationships that don’t match their orientation.
A. Noyd @317
If you like that, you might give this a try.
Finnish Lonkero
Soooo tasty.
Umeå had an Alien + Aliens film marathon, on account of the 30th anniversary of “Aliens”.
It was great to see the director’s cut versons.
Also, I am not a gregarious person, but I can suddenly appreciate fandom, discussing the films over coffe´ in the pause between films in the middle of the night.
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Very important news, but it is so technical it will probably not feature in the mainstream press:
“Structure of toxic tau aggregates determines type of dementia, rate of progression” http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-10-toxic-tau-aggregates-dementia.html
This could be very, very important. Until now, most research has been aimed at amyloid plaques.
This is also pretty cool:
“Technique reveals the basis for machine-learning systems’ decisions” https://techxplore.com/news/2016-10-technique-reveals-basis-machine-learning-decisions.html
“People just won’t forget the naked guy” http://satwcomic.com/doctor-strange
Nearly 2,000 run in Swedish zombie race https://www.thelocal.se/20161030/nearly-2000-run-in-swedish-zombie-race
And on Monday, the Pope arrives to the country. Remember, kids; -if you convert, you, too, can escape Death….and feed on the flesh of the living? (I have always had my doubts about what Lazarus was)
@birgerjohansson
#comment-1047064 (because post numbers are going to become meaningless)
The tau paper summary is interesting, but I suspect it’s a large leap from predicting brain damage to repairing or preventing the damage.
#comment-1047067
I saw Mads in “Men and Chicken” – memorable but weird movie.
#comment-1047068
Interesting that about 1% of the population was involved. (Even accounting for drawing non-resident participants in.) That is tough to mobilise for anything, let alone a zombie event. Is The Walking Dead that big in the region?
I am not sure that I agree that all them those who disagree got banned it seems to me what usually tipped the scales for being banned was irrational behavior. resorting to racist and sexist language and personal insults it has not been engaging with the ideas in a rational way but an attack on those who hold the ideas. the present case is an example. The ideas are to some it appears merely a way to identify the sides I.E. us and them. like red shirts and blue shirts. real questions and answers do not come into it.
uncle frogy
@briue1987
Let’s just start with your first issue. Why do you think that site traffic matters? Religion is popular, that does not make a person consistent with reality. I see no reason for concern.
Another way of putting it is that I’m not intimidated by numbers of site views. 65k? You might as well say “you suck because okra!”. Life is not a videogame, those aren’t points that rationally relate to whatever has you doing your little dominance dance.
Pathetic. You seem have ruined you reasoning ability.
I quite like playing Arkham Horror from time to time. We have the set up and mechanics pretty streamlined now.
My big joy is RPG though. I am DanDare2050 over at rpggeek.com.
Oh goodness, you are a dog pissing on trees aren’t you. I hope you don’t get banned. I want to play with you. I have so much rage to get out.
Wow you suck at this. Have you ever persuaded anyone that did not also try to win by rutting around?
>”Did anybody think it odd that when Muslim nutters killed 130 people in Paris, PZ felt the appropriate response was to endlessly attack Sam Harris for his words?”
1) No link, I guess you fear that content or it would be here.
2) Not really l, why did you think it was odd?
>”Without a single Paris post apart from the one where he said quote “I don’t have much to say”.”
It was probably the rest of it that contextualized it. You know creationists quote without context too. I’m not finding you very intimidating so far.
>”You couldn’t parody this.”
You are right about that. To see that many issues with reasoning and courage is not something I would have predicted.
@briue1987
So no answer? Even you don’t know why your numbers are important? I would be more concerned about the lights you apparently never had installed. Bumbling around in the dark with shitty reasoning skills must suck.
If it will get you to actually progress beyond playground means of expressing your interest in numbers sure, I’m a pony.
You can imagine me tapping out thing ls with my hooves and all. It’s far better than being someone with such tired and boring ways of insulting people. Let me help you out, you can imagine whatever you want about me. Whatever gets you to exercise what evolution gave you.
Hmmm…still nothing to see here, what with smartass and all. Carry on.
It’s kinda amazing that PZ’s blog is simultaneously a completely unpopular site that no-one cares about, and yet also is so powerful that it can “destroy” the AS community.
“NCH”?
I that means “no challenge” I agree. You have nothing that you could say that could bother me. I actually spend time thinking about all the ways that simeone who interacts with the world the way you do actually damages themselves through habit.
My physical characteristics? Numbers of views ? Are you fucking kidding me? You look like you would believe anything someone said because the look good of have lots of numbers. For your sake I hope this is temporary because you look like you are broken when it comes to understanding the world. It must terrifying. No wonder some people prefer a leader who is only good at talking shit.
@briue1987
>”I’m truly glad you got that out of your system. Better out than in.”
Oh you can dispense with the false social niceties. You came here with nothing but community insults and have maintained that pattern. Until now, unless something has changed.
>”Btw NCH is something you need to speak to steers about. (No silly, not that type of “steer”. Calm down).”
Intensity and content are different. My calmness is irrelevant.
You used the term, I’ll talk to you.
>”Also. FtB was never close to destroying anything other than the individuals it chose to dogpile.”
It’s amazing. You literally have nothing. You came here insulting a community and a community responded. That is a “no shit sherlock”.
I’ve tried to get you to get more specific about why you feel the way you do. I guess it’s only about the fight for you. You have injured your mind.
Ants, classical music, direct behavioral observations, educational and well given voice over work, and the ravenous hordes; what’s not to love?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2caKueedluk
En-joy!
Nice article against trickle down economics.
A bit too rosy to believe 100% of it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-gibson/mark-dayton-minnesota-economy_b_6737786.html
So let’s see if I have this right:
“I’m going to start a blog” = “I’m going to update it three times a day always or otherwise I am a complete fuckup”
“I’m going to delete annoying comments when I see them” = “If a troll, posts more than four comments that stay up for more than three hours then I have proven to the world I am a total pig-fucker loser.”
“I can post more than four comments that stay up for more than three hours, when the blogger is away in a country with spotty/no internet connection, I have achieved a devastating moral victory and proven the blogger a pig-fucker loser”.
… pathetic. sad and …. really, really boring. But very pathetic.
Is there any news on PZ (that can be shared)?
First Pharyngula destroyed a community, now it’s that it was only “close to” destroying some individuals. I’m skeptical of this — how was this near-destruction supposed to have happened?
Oh, by — “dogpiling”? Was the blog physically assaulting people? Is “dogpiling” supposed to work like magic? I’m even more skeptical of this alleged “near destruction”.
Really, it sounds more like the AS community self-destructed by having these frankly bizarre superstitious beliefs about the magical power of blog postings and comments.
Also, I don’t want to be all tone-police. but (@woozy 348) but what is with the ‘pig-fucker’ thing? Is that some sort of directed-at-redneck slur I’m not familiar with? Is that really necessary? Not like folks in the South aren’t already laboring under some perception isses.
Also, I don’t want to be all tone-police. but (@woozy 348) but what is with the ‘pig-fucker’ thing? Is that some sort of directed-at-redneck slur I’m not familiar with? Is that really necessary? Not like folks in the South aren’t already laboring under some perception issues.
double-post…. Not sure what happened there
Owlmirror:
Another instance of PZ’s Cyberpistol?
@351
Reread the post you’re commenting on. The parts in quotes are alternatingly paraphrases of the troll’s posts and comments on the underlying reasoning. Any crudity is completely intentional.
@vivec 351 – I think I had read it correctly. Woozy @348 is saying the troll was thinking ‘pig-fucker’ even if she wasn’t saying ‘pig-fucker’.
@352
I think I heard in some of the election coverage that South Carolina will be a majority black state pretty soon and I also have heard that many parts of the south are also experiencing some significant population changes in the recent past so things are likely to become rather more “interesting” in the south.
uncle frogy
@356
And if your problem is with Woozy, you missed the point of the post.
At this point, “pig fucker” might have a stronger association with David Cameron than rednecks.
It never occurred to me it’d be interpreted as a slur against any specific person or people. It’s just a generic all-purpose obscenity to express a person of no worth. At least that’s how I use it. It’s like “shitstain” except shitstain is more about reprehensible values and opinions whereas porcine fucking is more actively reprehensible.
I seriously did not ( and still don’t) see it as slur against any group.
Bruie seems to think that the fact he has succeeded in posting a comment proves that a he has done a great victory and proven some deficiency in PZ for … being in a place without internet?
At least that’s the only interpretation I can suss out.
YOB (#319)
Hmm. Not keen on gin. Maybe with some other alcohol, though.
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unclefrogy (#325)
And being boring.
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woozy (#360)
Yeah, well, kimberly is either a sock puppet of Brive’s or another pit-stain pretending to be a regular. Either way, they have a terrible case of concern-troll-itis and clearly haven’t come here in good faith.
@A.Noyd 361. I’m a regular reader but irregular poster. Usually lurk. I have another nym but I can’t post under it, haven’t been able to for maybe a year. I’ve emailed PZ about it and he says I’m def not banned, doesn’t know what the problem is – says its the site’s spam filter being too aggressive.
I had a comment ready to go but I refreshed,
just what I wanted to say but better.
@A.Noyd 361. I’m a regular reader but irregular poster. Usually lurk. I have another nym but I can’t post under it, haven’t been able to for maybe a year. I’ve emailed PZ about it a few times, and he says I’m def not banned, doesn’t know what the problem is – says its the site’s filter being too aggressive.
There I go again! Double-post!
@chigau, 363. Don’t be a weirdo. What could be in the slightest bit unusual about politely querying the use of ‘pig-fucker’? You telling me that’s not a slur at least worth inquiring about?
Apparently we’re supposed to be fools enough to believe that a regular reader would not only consider non-stop concern trolling to be appropriate, but that they would see no problem in spewing blatant transphobia, a la “A MtF trans can’t become a Lesbian, you dolt. Did you ever see a lesbian place her penis in a vagina? I thought not.”
@chigau, re: onion naan.
Um. A recipe?
1) Order Indian food with group.
2) Find that different kinds of fresh-baked naan are part of the order
3) Sample garlic naan (also yummy) and onion naan
4) Fill up on onion naan after eating ordered meal.
Mmm!
More seriously, it looked like they just divided the naan dough into two layers and put in a layer of chopped (fried?) onion before combining the layers and then baking.
@367 Well, to be fair ignoring that transphobic crap may have been a “don’t feed the troll” type thing. There really is no point in replying to that.
@368 There once was an indian pizza place that had the most delectable naan-inspired crust.
(re: grapefruit soda)
I think the slight bitterness of the grapefruit makes the flavors more pronounced without making them intense or overwhelming. The sweetness of the soda enhances the flavor but the bitterness prevents the sweetness being cloying.
And bubbles are always delightful.
The same holds for tonic water. I will try that drink.
kimberly1091 #366
Bless your heart.
Owlmirror #368
re: onion nan
jeez
takin’ the easy way out
Chigau @371 – No worries
A.Noyd @367 – In what universe could my comment be somehow even vaguely twisted into transphobia. Weirdo.
kimberly1091- I’ll take your confusion at face value, though I don’t remotely believe it.
Trans women are women. Because they are women, they can be lesbians. Because not every trans women is able to or wants to transition, some of them have penises. Therefore, since trans women are women and can be lesbians, there are women who have penises. Just as there are men with vaginas.
The reason why I do not believe your confusion to be sincere is because this logic train is so fucking simple and obvious that your ‘confusion’ is itself fucking transphobic as fuck.
kimberly1091
Stop calling people ‘weirdo’.
@374
Plus, as mentioned, plenty of lesbians voluntarily have piv sex with cis men. It’s possible to experiment with people the same way curious straight people do, and it’s possible to have sex that doesn’t fit your orientation.
It’s about as silly as saying that a gay man would never have PIV sex, despite there being untold hundreds of examples of men that are married with children for decades before coming out as gay.
So yeah, not just transphobic, but also wrong.
woozy (#369)
If it wasn’t clear, I was pointing out that this would-be “regular reader” kimberly is the one who said that transphobic crap. I’m not saying anything about actual regulars ignoring it in a thread otherwise crapped up to the brim with troll droppings.
(#370)
I think one of the weird things for me about grapefruit soda is that I normally am not a fan of bubbles. (In fact, some sodas are so over-carbonated, I have to put them in “time out” for a few hours to calm them down before I can drink them without gagging.) That’s one reason I enjoy having moved to a country with a much wider non-carbonated soft drink selection than the US. But grapefruit soda has always been a magical exception in that the bubbles enhance the drink.
Owlmirror
You’re assuming they’re able to hold two thoughts more complicated than “breathing” and “walking” in their head at the same time. Or they’re super duper thinky types who consider this to be kind of Schrödinger’s Blognetwork: totally irrelevant AND highly destructive at the same time.
Gin + Fresca makes a decent quick and dirty Tom Collins. Deep Eddy Lemon vodka and lemon La Croix makes a decent Vodka Collins.
Just saying. Election night is coming.
A.Noyd
Sometimes there’s just ONE version of something that you like while all other versions are an abomination unto Nuggan. That’s me and Wasabi. I hate all other versions of radish with a passion, but I love Wasabi. I’ve spat out food when the restaurant cut corners by using horseradish and food colouring…
I am vastly amused by the dutiful, obligatory but increasingly-perfunctory trolling; it’s clearly become a chore.
Heh.
I’m thinking this is an experiment by PZ to see what happens if he takes his hand off the wheel for a week or two. Apart from “pig-fucker”-gate and a little trans confusion, I’d say things are going pretty ok.
??? “a little trans confusion” ??? In case you did not notice it, I will spell it out for you – if your original comment about trans woman not being able to be lesbian was ignorant and not transphobic (which is possible, despite the fact that this very network hosted a MtF trans person who is lesbian- after all everybody is ignorant about everything at least once in their lifetime), then it is long past time for you to apologize to all the trans people frequenting this blog. I stayed out of this because I do not consider myself to be regular and I am no way qualified to speak for trans people, but you do not make a convincing case for “I was honestly mistaken and meant no harm” with your persistent denial that you said something offensive and wrong.
@382 John Morales – I don’t think “not even worth trolling” is where PZ particularly intended this project to end up, so you can keep that sort of talk to yourself. Yes?
kimberly1091, you’re dreaming if you imagine you’re not made.
@384 Charly. I was responding to wharvObvious Troll Briue1987 said:
“If a male to female trans became a cross dressing lesbian would anything have actually happened?”
So I said:
“@293 Briue: A MtF trans can’t become a Lesbian, you dolt. Did you ever see a lesbian place her penis in a vagina? I thought not.”
How the actual fluff do I get labelled the transphobe out of that? Do you make these rules up as you go along?
kimberly1091
Because, a MtF trans can be lesbian. And even though you will not see it, she may be able to place her penis in a vagina.
This is not about any rules. It is about that what you said was factualy wrong, it denied reality of some real people and therefore it was insensitive and offensive
You dolt.
I don’t want to sound like a broken record, but wtf was PZ thinking heading off to places of uncertain ‘net access and leaving the ‘Totally Open Thread’ to be enthusiastically pooped in.
You don’t have to subscribe to John Morales-esque levels of bad-faith imputation to share my concern about what the actual fuck this open-invite-to-trolls (see above) plus extended absence is all about.
387
Because that is transphobic as fuck. Who the hell are you to say how women are allowed to have sex with other women? See also Buck Angel, Allanah Starr.
@389 Charly – I see now where you’re coming from. Fair call.
Addendum to my comment at (for now) 391: Buck Angel is a man with a vagina, who performed in a pornographic scene with Allanah Starr, a reasonably well-known in some circles MtF pornographic actress.
Tch. Trolls are forced to repeat themselves rather than defending their original claims, because their original claims were, unsurprisingly, indefensible.
Say, wasn’t the origin of the slymepit itself a colossal — one might even say monumental — dogpile?
Of course, that was violently misogynistic dogpiling on a woman calling out sexual harassment. That sort of dogpile was presumably troll-approved and not at all an “attempted destruction”, in their tiny little minds.
Why do trolls love free speech when it’s opposed to women’s autonomy and in support of harassment, and hate free speech when it supports women’s autonomy and opposes harassment?
@391 InitHello “Transphobic as fuck”. Really? I wasn’t conscious of all permutations/circs where a lesbian would use her penis, and I’m ‘Transphobic as Fuck’?
You’re exactly the sort or person who made me glad Atheism+ came along when it did so I could avoid this toxic hot-mess of abuse. And your probably exactly to sort of nasty customer who put Atheism+ out of business with nary a thought for those who were more comfortable there.
kimberly1091@396: You are not your statements. The statement is transphobic, I reserve judgement on you. But if it makes you happy to assume I’m attacking you, by all means, go for it.
@397 InitHello – it doesn’t make me happy to assume you’re attacking me. That’s just an odd thing to say.
And you really, actually, don’t get to call someone, anyone, ‘Transphobic as Fuck’ because of a well-meaning gender misstep. You don’t know me. Who do think you are?
Pardon the double post, coffee has yet to kick in.
kimberly1901: Per your response to Charly@389, I would lean towards saying you are not transphobic, and that your statement was made from a lack of knowledge rather than prejudice. But I don’t know anything about you except the comment where you made the statement to which I objected, the one where you accepted new information in a mature way, and the one where you accused me of being a vile person for criticizing your first statement. /shrug
@398:
READ. THE. WHOLE. FUCKING. COMMENT.
Jesus. I did not, do not now, and will not without evidence claim that YOU are transphobic. But you seem pretty dead set on believing that I was calling you transphobic, so I guess you’ll ignore this, too.
There’s another tell: bringing up the old ‘pit bugaboo of Atheism+ out of nowhere. And then exhibiting ignorance of what it was all about. I mean, acting like Atheism+ was ever about coddling ignorant fucks at the expense of trans people? Too obvious.
Trying to provide a little distraction:
“Swarm reveals why GPS satellites lose track over the equator between Africa and South America” http://phys.org/news/2016-10-swarm-reveals-gps-satellites-track.html
Almost like a Bermuda triangle in the ionosphere?
“New species of extremely leggy millipede discovered in a cave in California” http://phys.org/news/2016-10-species-extremely-leggy-millipede-cave.html
“200 poison glands, silk-secreting hairs, and 4 penises” –of course it was found in California.
Also, more GM ideas for my clone bodies.
Condensed trolling translation: misogynistic harassment and dogpiling is a totally OK exercise of free speech when anti-SJWs do it!
When SJWs dogpile and call out sexism, it’s totally and , and your speech shouldn’t be free!!
birgerjohansson@403
Oooh, those are interesting, I’m going to save them for some light reading while I wait for the office coffee to brew. Thanks.
“Tippi Hedren: Alfred Hitchcock sexually assaulted me” https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/oct/31/tippi-hedren-alfred-hitchcock-sexually-assaulted-me
@402 A.noyd. I think saying Atheism+ was for “coddling ignorant fucks” is both a vile slur and demonstrates exactly why it was such a relief from the daily toxicity found here.
Giliell (#381)
Yuck. Does that fool anyone? Also, while I’ve never run into that problem, I’ve noticed it is common for restaurants outside E. Asia to use really low quality or old wasabi. So when foreigners get to Japan, even if they think they’re wise to the ways of Japanese cuisine, they learn the painful way just how potent the fresh stuff is.
Since once accidentally inhaling the vapours from freshly ground ordinary garden horseradish as a child (my mum used to make it at home in various ways and keep it in jars that would clear your sinuses in the deep of winter upon opening), I have great respect for anything in the horseradish family. I think if I ever went to Japan to try high quality wasabi, I would do so very carefully.
A. Noyd @ 361 (for now)
Vodka works nicely, in lieu of gin.
I see that the craven one is back.
@briue1987
Hello craven one. I see that you provide no links about the Stollznow situation. I also see that you simply link drop with respect to Watson and McGraw. Not just link drop but your own version of the Gish gallop. I don’t care about your pointing to things that you think support you. I care that you can actually articulate what you think the problem is when it comes to Watson and McGraw. I am familiar with the situation and I have no problem with it.
So are you simply one step below a parrot? You came here spouting about the importance of view numbers and can’t articulate how that ties into things that bother you. Why should I follow multiple links when you can’t articulate the contents of one for yourself?
The “destroyed”/”attempted to destroy” distinction pales in comparison to the tension between your claims of unpopularity of this site, and its ability to do social damage. (Which still leaves out the relevance of the numbers to whatever phantoms are in your head). If you think that this site tried to destroy a community you should be able to articulate how, and how those numbers you care about relate to that.
Your choosing to emphasize insults while avoiding substance while being a person who came here with insults is farther noted. You simply have no authority to complain about insults and you are truly only here for the fight and have no ability to articulate any of your underlying reasons.
You seem to have no authority when it comes to complaints about “dog-piling”. If I went to another place on the internet and started making unsupported insulting assertions about them I am certain that I would get mass criticism in return. You came here with literally nothing but insults. Either you are dumb or dishonest.
“Troll” is a mild rebuke of a label compared to what you actually are. You are an incompetent. Full of rage and fear and unable to articulate it in any way other than group insult. Any opinions you may have about the characteristics of other people pale in comparison to your own shitty personal characteristics.
It’s just amazing to me. Despite all of the links they provided briue1987 is utterly empty of substance. You simply type on the screen that Watson is a bully. Why the fuck should anyone believe you?
The basic parts of the situation are up there, but what’s missing? The very part that actually supports your point is missing the “now private video”. Who the fuck does that? Post a link to an analysis that is not private. It’s your fucking argument that problems are being made up, post something substantive.
As presented you are literally asking people to analyze the whole situation and come to the same conclusion that you simply assert. Pathetic.
I want to share this comment by John Oliver. It sums up the US election campaign.
“Now, a month ago when Donald Trump tweeted we should check out a sex tape of a former Miss Universe contestant, I said if you looked up, you would see rock bottom.
Well if you look up now, you will see absolutely nothing and I’ll tell you why: we have burrowed through, not just rock bottom, but through the core of the earth and we’ve come bursting out the other side, startling kangaroos and we’re currently hurtling toward outer space and there is no up, down, light or darkness, just an endless void in which death comes as sweet, sweet relief. Please let this thing be over soon.”
#407
If you believe that to be a fair representation of what was said at #402, you need to reread it. But I am thinking you are not interested in being fair at all.
#411
They actually keep extensive lists of equally vapid shit on a range of fancied issues, each with similar levels of bad faith interpretation.
I followed the link above about the zombie race, followed a few more links, and reached this:
Swede punches clown that scared his grandmother
It just seems germane somehow. Oh, and I can just hear that headline in John Oliver’s voice.
@ooh, I forget. A. Noyd
Oh, you’re right. She was.
Despite the trollers’ desires I really don’t pay that much attention to them to recognize the “trangsendered lesbian penis” moron was the same person as the overly sensitive “pig-fucker is a slur to our southern brethren” commenter.
Geez, when I read the rest of her comments…. duh.
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The thing about grapefruit soda is that all the factors, bitterness of the grapefruits, sweetnees of the soda, texture of citrus juice, gassiness of carbonation, all work to dilute the others unpleasant attributes while enhancing but not overempahsizing the other’s virtues.
My exception food is banana bread. Other than fried bananas (which I eat by cutting them open, scooping out the insides, and eating the fried outsides in the same mouthfuls with copious amounts of vanilla ice cream) it is the only form of bananas I like.
At risk of dismemberment, I would like to gently suggest a read of Bob Altemeyer’s “The Authoritarians”. I’ll leave to the inevitable umbrage the salient referent.
It is free online (q.v.).
Randall, that book has been brought up many times. It applies to the folks that don’t like SJW, not SJW, as the anti-SJW tend to be presuppositional in their beliefs.
Can anyone point me to the quote, sometimes attributed to Asimov, about appending college diplomas with a disclaimer to the effect “Although demonstrating acceptable ability in the noted field, any pronouncements made in other areas should be regarded with caution” ?
I can’t find it and I believe I ran into it years ago in, possibly, Skeptical Inquirer or some such and NO that was not directed at the moderator.
@nelliebly (and other people who enjoy boardgames) if anyone’s still interested in resurrecting that bit of the pre-infestation conversation from a couple of days ago:
One that I picked up a recommendation for a couple of years ago, which has become our favourite to play, is Fantastiqa. It works well for 2 players, once you know how to play it, a game takes about 30-45 minutes, but you can make it last a couple of hours if you want something longer, and there’s a good story-telling element, and a lot of humour, imagination and pretty art work. It’s also fast play, so you don’t have to wait for ages for your turn, and fun for the loser as well as the winner. It’s a deck-building game that takes place by travelling around a board, and although you have a winner and loser, the winner wins by beating the game, not the other player.
We also enjoy Castles of Burgundy, but it’s not quite as highly recommended. It’s a game where you place tiles onto a board to build your province, and again has a winner, but they win by scoring more, rather than by obliterating the other player.
@Holmes
>They actually keep extensive lists of equally vapid shit on a range of fancied issues, each with similar levels of bad faith interpretation.
I’ve seen the lists too too. I’ve had tangles with them from time to time at the Atheist Experience’s FB fan page. I’ve yet to encounter one of these types of people that were not operating on a large amount of rumor-mongering that borders on exclusivity. It’s pretty effective to let them do what they give off every sign of being willing to do, go on at length about what it is they feel so strongly about. Despite the common claims from people who reason like this, getting them to be objective about this is like pulling teeth, for a reason. The amount of behaviors related to projection is astounding on the level of being fascinating in a general human sense.
I’ve been getting my rage out quite nicely here. I’ve genuinely enjoyed dissecting briue1987’s words for object and meaning. I mean every word of wanting to see why they believe what they believe, and see them show an object to match their characterizations. Anyone can go on the internet and be negative, making that negativity representative of something is a skill.
What I actually find most amusing and ironic is that these trolls obsess far, far more over my traffic numbers than I do (I actually don’t care much about traffic), yet if traffic is supposed to be a measure of validation, they’ve got none and aren’t even trying to contribute anything that would build a readership.
Here’s another one.
>”Have I been ninja’d on this? Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali declared anti-muslim extremists by the Southern Poverty Law Center. I knew these guys were clowns after they said Pepe was a hate symbol, but at least that was funny. This is completely fucking outrageous.”
How is this even remotely logical or rational?
SPLC = bad because of a mistake.
No statement about why it was bad that SPLC put them on and why they took them off. It was good that they came off the list. Any shitty things that they say needs to be condemned in a way that does not put pressure on people already under illegitimate pressure. They should be off and they should get criticized for anything .
Now how they fuck does that relate to a symbol frequently used by shitty people? And finally how does that plug into the word “this” at the end?
In the right frame of mind this stuff is like drugs to me. I wish I could make money dissecting apart things like that.
Jeez, Mr. Myers, that could not have been easy sifting through those posts. Kudos!
Being a relative neophyte here, I hope my reticence about games and gaming isn’t mistaken for contempt or derision: I quit at Pong II (yes, I am that old, 60 last month,and Pong II kicked my fanny) and my son and his friends still laugh at that. I’m that inept at them but I really do enjoy watching those guys (and their girlfriends) frolic through all the levels.
@Nerd, 244 ( I hope I am doing this right) Do you know enough to tell me whether the helium involved was for tank ullage or positive head for the propellant pumps? I frankly don’t know what their angle is but it seems that Musk and Bezos are just reinventing the wheel. Rocketdyne, Pratt & Whitney, Aerojet, et al. had man rated propulsion units in the 60’s that performed as well or better. What’s your take?
Oh, cf my comment #417 the salient referent has just been obviated by excision: Altemeyer’s observation about authoritarians being able to hold mutually contradictory beliefs and ideas simultaneously was directed at that briue1987 and speaks worlds about roughly 30% of the electorate.
That should say “…and they should be criticized for anything bad they say” at the end of the third from the last paragraph in my last comment.
#425: Nah, it was easy. I have tools. I can get a list of every post with a given author, and can then just zip through blip them out of existence.
Randall #425
I think the primary use is to maintain positive pressure on the liquids (RP1 and LOX) to aid the transfer of propellants to the turbopump(s). In every countdown (launches are available on Youtube) the call “Falcon at flight pressures” is made. Keeping the positive pressure does occupy the space left by the used propellants, and prevents the LOX from boiling at reduced pressure and possibly forming oxygen ice.
@426 Brony – It looks like Southern Poverty Law Center still have Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali on their list of anti-Muslim extremists.
I interpreted your comment @426 as implying they’d retracted that.
Here’s the link:
https://www.splcenter.org/20161025/field-guide-anti-muslim-extremists
Are Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali anti-Muslim extremists? No. Should SPLC ride it out nonetheless? Haven;t made up my mind about that.
@kimberly1091
The SPLC damned Ali with her own words and her own lies. She is, by any reasonable reading of her words, an anti-Islam extremist.
As for her lies, they’re well-documented at Alternet — http://www.alternet.org/media/anti-islam-author-ayaan-hirsi-alis-latest-deception
I say keep them on the list, and add Harris while they’re at it.
@kimberly1091
I was unfamiliar with the situation and what info I found earlier seemed to imply things not in evidence. I got lazy doing briue1987’s homework for them. It was dispensable to my overall point in any event.
Revisiting the specifics, this is a place where struggle with my own feelings. Giving bigots ammunition with how they use people against other people. But I don’t go actively impeding people critizing Ali or Nawaz if I can help it.
@434 Brony
You’ve touched on the guts of it. Its a political issue, primarily. There’s a factual question of whether Ali and/or Narwaz are anti-Islam extremists. Ali – maybe…(having regard to what WMDLitty says @432); Narwaz – probably not.
What you then have to weigh up is the ‘aid and comfort’ side of things – that is, by legitimately critiquing Islam from a human rights and gender perspective, you enable those who are primarily motivated to do the same by bigotry and racism.
For mine, that’s where the rubber hits the road.
Are Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali anti-Muslim extremists? No. – kimberley1091@431
Ayaan Hirsi Ali certainly is – see WMDKitty — Survivor@432
Maajid Nawaz is probably better described as a con-artist without any real convictions whatever. However, describing practically all British Muslims who don’t agree with him as Islamist extremists in a list he sent to the security services, and calling for a ban on the niqab in a wide range of public places, give SPLC an arguable case.
One of life’s ironies. Today is National Stress Awareness Day. And the Chicago Cubs (tied 3-3 with the Cleveland Indians) are possibly on the verge of the ultimate October Surprise, winning the World Series after 108 years. No stress in our third largest city…
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Today’s xkcd is very good.
The Redhead has finally decreed her Fishy Friday dinner, Shrimp (factory cooked, thawed), fried rice “rice-a-roni” and Chinese vegetables. Sounds good.