It’s another day of flying about for me (and tomorrow, there’s even more flying across the Atlantic), so here’s something to chew over: My Telekinesis, a site dedicated to explaining how to do all kinds of magical things with the power of your brain. It even has instructions! I was all keen on trying to levitate while I wait for the next leg of my flight, but the first step I was supposed to take was to “open my third eye”. I’ve only got two. I don’t think it was fair of the author to lead us cripples on like that.
I also noticed that the author had to explain that his technique works best when you’re asleep. Nice — I should contribute an article explaining my amazing mental power, called “dreaming”.
Being the kind of guy I am, I jumped straight to the article about evil powers. It wasn’t very helpful.
Dark Bomb
First take all of your energy and convert it into darkness, if you dont have energy then you should draw mana from the darkness. Then lift your hands over your head and pull all the darkness energy into your hands. You should do this until it is feeling very heavy. Then make it unstable by making it to where it will explode on contact. To do this simply imagine it like a bomb. Then throw it hard against a target or down on the ground. It will hurt you and everything else in its way.
It’s got 350 comments, and they aren’t all “Bwahahahahaha!” There are people enthusing over using this power against bunny rabbits and people — somehow, the idea of some nerd concentrating really hard and waving his hands at me (or a bunny) doesn’t scare me very much.
(via rationalbrain.)
Heyo!
I tried a darkness bomb against a spider, didn’t do a damned thing. Maybe because they’re already laden with dark energy or whatever, but what would I want the power of darkness for other than killing spiders anyway?
Glen Davidson
I think you need to invest at least 21 points into the Dark Energy skill tree before you can put the Dark Bomb on your quickbar.
Wait, what? You’re talking about something else?
Steve Wright tried moving a carpet in his livingroom using telekinesis. He said the carpet hasn’t budged. The rest of his house is gone. And Buddy Hackett was able to raise a glass of ice to room temperature in eight hours!!
I actually did have a dream once that I had telekinesis. Was awfully disappointed when I woke up and couldn’t remember how to do it.
Not that I actually remember doing anything particularly nifty with it in the dream anyway.
I’ve noticed — especially at my age — that my hands and arms do start to feel very heavy after I’ve held them over my head for a while. I just didn’t know it was the concentrated power of darkness energy. This is very helpful!
Bunnies beware.
Reminds me of the “battle” between Eric Cartman and some professed psychics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Tj_l4PcPs
It sounds Einsteinian. Mana is obviously equivalent to mass. C may not be the speed of light though. It could be Credulity, the number of woo believers in California. Much valuable research remains to be done….
Shit, I do this just about every day. Sometimes at the same time. Often having eaten something very spicy for which my palate was unprepared. I’m practically Professor Charles Xavier, me.
Still learning,
Robert
Most TK noobs screw this part up by imagining their dark bomb like an artichoke or a shoe lace.
So it’s really more of a dark suicide vest.
Kame… Hame… Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
I watched the “electrokinesis” video. Someone’s been watching too much Naruto!
You can tell the author is serious because you don’t even get a saving throw.
Is that what this guy is doing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mdUxPLIJVgI
At least until a real martial artist gave him a real physical beating.
I used to have lots of dreams as a kid where I was flying. I also used to wake up on the floor quite frequently. The only explanation is that I was, in fact, levitating – I just didn’t have the landing down.
Either I’ve grown out of my powers (maybe the third eye has gotten as bad as the other two?) or I’ve improved my landing.
When I was in middle school, one’s arsehole was sometimes referred to as either the ‘squinty eye’ or the ‘third eye.’
Strangely appropriate.
Michael,
I think it’s more akin to this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkQ8cpPsoWU&feature=related
As I’ve gotten older, I’ve become increasingly telekinetic. Practically every time I reach for something, it flies out of my hands making it difficult to do almost anything. The folks at a psychic school I attended many years ago (true but long story) often said that telekinesis can be a real problem because of this sort of thing. And I’m living proof that they were right. Oops…my bowl of oatmeal just flew out of my hands. Damn! I mean…ooommm…aaahh
I used to be able to move things with my mind only too back in the day but I don’t use drugs any more and seem to have lost my third-eye glasses.
uncle frogy
Og:
My cat often looks deeply into my soul with her third eye.
That’s also the eye she reads with.
tv remote…come to me….cooommeee toooo meeeee….still doesn’t work
I do still get a kick out of:
“All those who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand.”
You can convert plain old boring energy into trendy, chic dark energy? Dayum. Write it up and publish as fast as you can. A Nobel awaits.
Om lingalingalingalinga, kilikilikili…
Enough said.
I got a good laugh out of this then remembered all those Sundays spent in church as a kid eating the flesh of zombie Jesus and all the sudden Dark Bombs didn’t seem so far fetched.
I wouldn’t try the dark bomb. It’s an opening for malware. I’m pretty sure my lap-top is fucked.
So all this time those evangelical preachers were talking about being filled with the holy spirit, what they were actually filled with was darkness in concentrated bursts…
HADOUKEN!
also noticed that the author had to explain that his technique works best when you’re asleep
Reminds me of a crappy sci-fi movie I watched a while ago – one of the superheroes could turn invisible, but only when no one was looking.
Someone tried the dark bomb on me once. No matter how hard he focused and squinted and strained and generally looked like he badly needed a laxative, nothing happened. It turns out I have really well developed psychic defenses.
With all the talk of opening your third eye in order to drop a dark bomb, I wonder if that site’s readers realize the whole thing is one giant poop joke.
Dark Bomb (Lvl 5 Abjuration/Evocation, v s m)
OK, so, convert energy into darkness. I understand how refrigeration converts energy into less heat by using energy to remove energy from another system, but photons don’t usually hang around very long, even in a reflective optical cavity. So I have to assume that this means “convert energy into no energy” in some general way, removing energy from some ill-defined closed system of which only some people are aware.
But wait – if you don’t have enough energy to create darkness, you are supposed to transfer energy from the darkness to … make darkness? Wut? Draw energy from a system of no/low energy to make a system of no/low energy you didn’t have the energy to create in the first place?
Telekinesis is hard.
The exchange particle for this sort of new-age energy is not the photon, but the futon. It can hang around for much longer, since it tends to absorb atoms rather than being absorbed itself.
Killed By Fish
I used to be an adventurer, then I took a dark bomb to the knee.
Everbody who believes in telekinesis, please raise my hand.
Is Markuze off his meds again?
I have a related power of manifesting whatever I want out of nothing. I make a few arcane inscriptions and invocations in the etherworld and the objects of desire appear magically on my doorstep the next day.
Instead of a dark bomb, could we get a nude bomb?
Pretend you’re in DBZ then? On that note, would ripping off my shirt and grunting at my opponent for an hour or so help?
That’s not a dark bomb. It’s a Shishi Hokodan, or Houkoudan depending on what translation scheme you use. See Ranma 1/2 for details.
Shoryuken? Oh, wait, no… glad to see everyone else is thinking anime/game type stuff.
Didn’t the US military try this with goats?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1234548/
[…] but the first step I was supposed to take was to “open my third eye”.
Aw, dammit, where’s the goatse graphic when ya really need it?
No. Just, no. No.
P.Z. Myers is the king. Always there everyday. That’s some awesome ass stamina. Hats off to you P.Z.
Pfft. I learned how to perform all these amazing techniques watching Dragonball Z. Now I can level mountains while I’m asleep. Amazing!
Please don’t throw me into the astral briar patch!
Er…only one way to find out.
Sure you’re not thinking of the TV show Misfits? One of the guys did that, though he got better at it and could do it at will by the end of the first season.
Nes, nope; it’s a reference to a true classic: Mystery Men.
(My favourite: The Sphinx)
Not just telekinesis, but
time travelchronoportation! Such insight:The commenters soon put him straight, though:
So don’t go meddling with the wave functions of single quarks!
This comment on rationalbrain is priceless:
“I can do a fivefold backward somersault from standstill. I’m not going to demonstrate it, though; you can teach it yourself to prove it”.
‘Course.
Mystery Men is not a crappy movie.
Mystery Men is EXCELLENT. Ironic anti-superheroes FTW.
@5
I very routinely have telekinesis in dreams. It’s always only effective at extremely close range for very light objects, like grabbing a pen from a few inches away. The worst part is that I DO remember how I did it, it just doesn’t work. Same thing with teleporting/jumping back in time a few minutes.
Draken, you can choose not to prove yourself if you dont want to, for whatever reason. I have free will, i dont have to do things as you expect me to. You have the right to not believe in me because i refuse to prove myself, but your little point there was invalid.
I also ask you attempt to apply to that show. Seem legit, you dont get in, seem illegit, you dont get in. Seem like an illusionist that people will denounce as fake, theres your ticket. Im no illusionist, so i wouldnt get anywhere near the set.
Umm yeah, i changed my account name months ago … friend of mine changed it when i was making dinner one night.
One more thing for now. Im loving the people here who think JREF is a show that will REALLY publish REAL results. They wont, its a mockery, and anyone whos actually been involved with it knows it. Youre not smart, stop acting like it.
Also loving the people who have absolutely no concept of science and yet are saying stuff like teleportation doesnt work. If i recall correctly, scientists have teleported atoms with machines. Its not realistic to say you could teleport your physical body on your own, because of the energy transfer, factors of mass, shape, etc. You know nothing about this, stop trying to seem smart.
The people here make sites like MYTK look worse than the fluff does. Whats funny is whoever came to MYTK after i suggested it said I (Ravi) was the only guy who got how the science behind it would even make it possible, given the right e circumstances. Funny that my comment is “priceless” aka seen as stupid by some wannabe smart guy, but im seen as a rational, intelligent person by someone from Rationalbrains side. Take the hint.
Listen guys, stop the blogs about us, or youll be hearing from WordPress legal division. Opinions are fine, unless you include slander and defamation of character. ou have absolutely no proof any of this stuff is not possible given the right circumstances. You pass your opinions off like they are written in stone somewhere. Guess what, they arent, youre not as smart as you think you are. Leave the MYTK subject alone.
erodinbladewin:
<smirk>
<giggle>
<snicker>
There, there, little one.
John, how about responding with something a little more informative. I cant comment on your opinion if you respond in such a childish way.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3811785.stm
Thats for you John. Do your research before you make yourself look worse. Thats not even the report i was referring to, but it stil works.
erodinbladewin, you don’t know the difference between quantum teleportation and teleportation, do ya? :)
You dont know the difference between what you think i think, and what i actually think.
People who act like you are known as trolls. Go back to your bridge, kid. I was nice as can be when this started, but im annmoyed now ^_^
Oh, this is going to be fun…
Just teleport over there and kick his ass.
erodinbladewin, you’ve stated that you think quantum teleportation involves teleporting actual atoms, and that people here* have absolutely no concept of science.
Is that not what you think?
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* I admit that, for a certain subset of people here, that’s true enough; after all, you are here.
Call the Waaahmbulances, someone had their feelings hurt!
feralboy12 wrote:
Bahahahahahaha!
+1
You should know thats a prerequisite to moving objects … as objects aremasses of atoms. My word, see what you can realize when you take your head out of your butt.
Ive been doing metaphysical stuff for about 11 years. Im 22. First known act of precognition (sensing the future) was when i had thisd strong gut feeling id never hear a song on the radio again. Lo and behold, ive never heard it on the radio again ^_^. I researched experiences like that, precog came up. Theres a chance it was pure coincidence, but i dont believe it was, becaue it wasnt just a thought, it was accompanied by a strong gut feeling that made the thought seem like knowledge, instead of imagination. Every time ive had those feelings, theyve been correct. Its called instincts. Learning your instints is a prerequisite practice to sensing, then comes manual manipulation of energy using your body.
All through those practices, you eventually find that energy with no defined form, as in not some sound wave, or kinetic force, does not travel along some pathway, it just moves from one area to the next. This ties into the states thing. The states thing are the first stages of prepearing an atom for teleportation.
Id appreciate it if youd at least attempt to point out some science thing as your reasoning for doubting what i say.
erodinbladewin wrote:
Actually, I think you’ll find it’s called confirmation bias.
Yeah, because everything on wikipedia is actually correct? Its not bias, as i had no beliefs about the experience. I didnt even know what it was until i looked it up. So, no beliefs, no bias. Try again.
Obviously scientists are using machines to teleport apostrophes, since yours have magically disappeared.
You need to teleport your head out of your ass, not us.
Randy’s million dollar challenge is still going. Put up or shut the fuck up. Welcome to real science…
That which is asserted, like this, without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. *POOF*. Everything you can’t and won’t document, but talk about is dismissed in a flash. Welcome to science, where documentation rules…
No, its called cognitive bias, where you ignore the false positives. Welcome to science, where undocumented assertions are lies and bullshit…
You make the claims, you supply the proof for your claims, or you lie and bullshit. We don’t have to refute, you have to supply the evidence. Welcome to science, where you are wrong until you demonstrate yourself right with documented evidence, like Randy filming you….
So, you came here to call me out on a lack of midsentence punctuation.
Seriously, wheres the intelligent people? John did better than you o.o
They’re all skeptics telling you to put up the evidence or shut the fuck up. Welcome to reality, not self-delusion…
Wouldn’t I love to know what song that was! *evil grin*
erodinbladewin:
You show up with a claim that you have supernatural powers (or whatever other term you wish to use). You have made the claim. It is an extraordinary claim. And you are offering no evidence for your claim at all. You have presented the same amount of evidence that I have presented for the giant invisible porcupine that lives in my basement (his name is Hugo). That is to say zero. Where is your evidence for this claim?
erodinbladewin, you’d have done better “doing” physics than metaphysics (not that you evince any understanding of the latter, either).
Oh dear. “Kinetic force”? ;)
I don’t need science to doubt what you say, since your claim invokes no science (and is not what the news article you adduced actually claims).
Sense where I am and teleport over here so we can talk.
erodinbladewin wrote:
Everything? I’ve no idea. The article on confirmation bias, however? Yes. It’s a basic concept in science. If you don’t like Wikipedia, try going here or here – you’ll find exactly the same thing.
Who says what you believe has to have a name before you believe it? The point is that unless you’re thorough, you only remember the times the data supported your theory; in your case, that you ‘foresaw’ something correctly. Can you say how many times you predicted something that didn’t happen, and compare the two numbers?
Why? You haven’t even come to close refuting me yet.
What’s with the half-literate fucks showing up here, asking about the science, and then dismissing explanations that include well-known psychological tendencies like confirmation bias?
I mean, why would a fucking psychic not understand what Wowbagger (and everyone else who understands the term, for fuck’s sake) meant by confirmation bias? Isn’t knowing what other people are thinking (or what’s going to happen) exactly the claim?
Mr redhead, science process for acknowledging what is and is not proof is ignorant, it allows no room for methods of proving oneself that dont show 100% of the evidence. Most of the ecivdence about this stuff isnt physical. Otherwise, i agree with your points about the proof. Your points, however, dont prove me wrong about what i can and cannot do.
You know, if i had the means with which to document the radio thing, when i was 11 years old, and the best thing i could get is a walkman i didnt take on the trip to the store with me, i would have this proof you wish for. However, i was not in the practice of keeping a diary, or recording my thoughts, life, etc, in any other way.
Proof is always subjective, no matter how objectively you present it. Redhead, i applaud you for your comment, as its the best retort ive seen so far, even with the fact you presented no facts about science itself.
I do have a couple disagreements with what you said. One, instincts and cognitive bias are two different things. Two, Randi James is playing a pretty intricate game with the whole proof of the metaphysical thing. You have absolutely NO idea what will really happen in the JREF show. Ive applied, and so have some of my friends. A couple of us told our real stories, the other 4 told fake stories, and 2 acted like stage magicians. The two “stage magicians” got accepted, the other 6 of us did not. Maybe you should actually think about some of what you say before you say it. Oh, wait, its human nature to disregard anything not proven to your face.
There are various methods of proving oneself in metaphysical subjects. Most are direct physical ways, others are controlled practice sessions, which we tell 1-2 or more people about what we are going to attempt. Those people do not tell either of the practitioners. At the end, we compare results. If you still think the confirmed experiences are bias, imagiantion, schizophrenia, whatever, then you need to actually take a shot at one of these sessions. Metaphysics is largely unrealized by physical science. Welcome to metaphysics, where your physical science is invalid when it comes to mental abilities, and ones for other dimensions.
“I’m psychic enough to know things before they happen, but I totes fuck up reading and understanding actual, written words in real time all the time. Man, that’s quantum for you.”
Brownian, what you said made no sense at all. Have fun with your 10th grade education troll.
If this is what you erroneously think, moron, then why did you write “Id appreciate it if youd at least attempt to point out some science thing as your reasoning for doubting what i say”, fuckhead?
“I’d like you to refute me with science, but I don’t beleive science applies.”
Christ, what an asshole.
Sorry, as a 35+ year practicioner of science, you are full of shit. The burden of evidence in science is always on those making the claims. And you cited no information otherwise. You are a proven liar and bullshitter, and your word is worthless on any topic. Cite or shut the fuck up…
Citation needed, or you are a proven liar and bullshitter. Welcome to real science.
First you must show conclusive physical evidence for what you claim. PERIOD, END OF STORY. Your evidence, not assertions, which are dismissed as non-evidence…
Put up or shut the fuck up liar and bullshitter. Show you aren’t a liar and bullshitter with citations and evidence…
Read this carefully as, if you continue with dribble like this^ it will be repeated.
Science is not about proof. Proofs are mathematics, not science. Science is about evidence. Evidence which can be replicated. Evidence which can be observed and measured. Evidence which exists outside of one persons mind.
Got that? Science looks for evidence. Not proof.
erodinbladewin:
Metaphysics is used as a synonym for the supernatural only by ignoramuses such as you.
(I think you know even less about it than you do about physics, which is remarkably little)
Sometimes psychics get things right by pure chance.
This isn’t one of those times.
What’s the matter? The spirit guides are mysteriously silent on my education level?
Try again, fuckface.
So, whaddya think? Too early for an identification of Trollodon mystikus?
Yeah, confirmation bias. A well-known, well-documented and very common mistake.
As a tool for finding out how the universe works at its deeper levels, instincts and intuition have been shown time and again to be entirely unreliable. Of course heavy objects fall faster than lighter ones. Of course the earth isn’t moving.
And history, and the world even today, is full of people becoming absolutely convinced of the truth of an idea, in their minds and guts and whatever, despite clear, endlessly duplicated evidence of its falseness.
It’s why we test ideas under controlled conditions, repeat those tests with different observers, and why we make our hypotheses make successful predictions. Because mere instinct and intuition and gut feelings are not the proper tools for understanding things beyond everyday human experience. Which pretty much includes anything outside our sensory perception–things that are too small to see, energy at frequencies too big or small for our senses, things that are as massive as galaxies, or move near the speed of light.
And the universe has a lot of important stuff going on at those levels, to which your instincts will never be a reliable guide.
So when you come here and claim that your instincts allow you to circumvent or break laws of physics demonstrated repeatedly, you must come armed with serious evidence. Up front. Because it’s far more likely that you’re lying, full of shit, and/or deluded.
You didnt present anything in science, you claimed i misunderstand words in real time.
Confirmation bias is real, but the article on it missed the part where instincts are always right barring prior beliefs, perceptions, etc, about the situation. Its not fully correct, thus what i said is true. Learn to logic.
Wowbagger, i refuted you with one simple point. I had absolutely no beliefs about what the gut feeling was. I had abosolutely no data to bias myself on. All i knew was that i had a feeling i wouldnt hear the song on the radio, again. I just dismissed it when it happened. Ive been logical since before i was 11, apparently, because i didnt draw any conclusions, have any beliefs, etc, about the situation, until i looked it up. Its unbiased proof, and youre one of the halfbaked morons that was mentioned.
Feralboy, how about the part where instincts are always right when theres no prior information to cause bias?
Well-known to everybody but psychics, apparently.
Doesn’t say much for their ability to access the esoteric regions of metaphysics when they’re oblivious to what even the Muggles know.
My instincts have been accurate 100% of the time. Its so obviously confirmation bias when theres no prior info to create the bias. Im done here, you idiots cant differentiate science from a hole in your ass.
If rationalBrain wants to discuss anything, ill be glad to oblige, but the rest of you, minus redhead to a degree, are absolutely fucking morons
I’ve got a strong gut feeling it was this one.
Yes.
Instincts are always right? Always? You have got to be kidding me. Bullshit. Instinct, your gut feeling, is an absolutely shitty way to figure anything out. Do you really think that Ostrom figured out the relationship between certain dinosaurs and birds by instinct? Do you think that the atomic bomb was created through instinct? Or you computer? Did you learn to do long division by instinct? Or balance a cheque book? Did you drive perfectly the first time through your instinct?
We don’t have to refute you, liar and bullshitter, you must evidence yourself, and you haven’t, and can’t. We know that…
Why should we believe a proven liar and bullshitter without a citation to back up their assertion…And no citation tacitly acknowledges their lies and bullshit…
No, you never provided anything other than your lying and bullshitting OPINION. Refutation requires citations…
Assertion without evidence, dismissed without evidence *POOF*. Liar and bullshitter without presenting any evidence, and you know it…
Simple. You’re talking crap.
Oh, you looked it up. Oh, well, that settles it. I take back everything I said. I didn’t realize you were so rigorous.
The prior information is the prediction, shit-for-brains.
Try to follow, dipshit. I dream/think/have a strong feeling about my friend John one morning. I see John later that day. I say to myself, “Wow, how amazing is it that I dreamt/thought/had a strong feeling about John this morning and then actually saw him? This must mean something.” What I don’t take into account is all the times I dreamt/thought/had a strong feeling about Sarah and Luke and Meaghan and Rita and didn’t see them.
That’s confirmation bias, and it’s often applied retroactively. It’s a human tendency, and one science actually tries to counter with experimental methods.
You even hint that you grok this concept when you wrote: “others are controlled practice sessions, which we tell 1-2 or more people about what we are going to attempt. Those people do not tell either of the practitioners. At the end, we compare results”, but then you seemed to be unaware that such a technique, when applied rigorously and with documentation of successes and failures, is designed to counter confirmation bias, among other things.
But, if you’re psychic, then why did you need me to write all that? Shouldn’t you have known, if not about confirmation bias, but that we were going to invoke it as an explanation? And then explain it, when you clearly misunderstood (or were just unclear in your writing)?
This is so awesome, I don’t know how to describe it. I wish this would fit on a bumper sticker.
Logicing is for suckers.
Redhead, how about the part where not proving myself to you doesnt make me wrong or right? Saying im right or wrong without proof is retarded. Youre presenting bias by saying im wrong because you dont believe in it. Youre awesome.
Feral, you missed my point. I had an experience i drew no conclusions and had no opinions about. I looked up the experience to see if anyone else had had one like it. It was called precognition. Precognition stems from the instincts, unless its manually done. Then it stems from skill with ESP. No prior information, no bias. Your theory was proven wrong, take it like an adult.
Redhead, i can refute you on my own, merely by stating facts. If you think otherwise, you need to take a class on logic.
Except for all the times they weren’t, which you wouldn’t know since you didn’t keep a diary or anything like that.
Confirmation bias.
Of course we can. Science keeps records of its predictions and observations, assholes don’t.
Like asserting that you’re correct 100% of the time?
I can do that too. Watch.
I’ve never met a psychic. I’ve met you.
Therefore, you’re no psychic.
Logic that.
My skull just imploded.
And science does not seek proof. Science seeks evidence. Of which you have presented nothing, nada, zero, zip. Present evidence or begone!
(and you are welcome to insert Hugo with a vigorous twisting motion into your rectum)
Brownian, calling a prediction bias takes the cake here. Predictions themselves dont make bias, the information that goes through our minds afterwards does. Have you ever thought scientists could possibly be wrong? I mean, if i say 1+1+1=3, im correct, but if science only finds 1+1=2, its still correct, but doesnt tell the whole story.
My my so much linear thought out of you all that i could glue the lines together and make a sword.
Being psychic doesnt mean you understand what you experience. I had no idea what the experience was, so i learned about it. Honestly, considering the accuracy rating, the experiences spell out instincts, and not coincidence or some form of bias. Confirmation bias and instincts are two different things in science. Science wrongfully says that confirmation bias is correct, while instincts are unreliable. While they can be unreliable, they arent in individuals who actually bother to think like a strategist, instead of a follower. You all are followers, you tout others “facts” without bothering to find out if there may be more to the story or not. Sheeple do not win the day, my friend.
Do I get metamy(s)t(h)ical creds if I tell you that I guessed what song you linked to correctly based on my instincts alone?
*-^_^-*
BINGO!
And I think the species identification is confirmed: Trollodon mystikus.
Nope, called
fuckwitted unevidenced loser. OH, one citation, more than the liar and bullshitter has ever produced…
Instinct isn’t science, unless you can show a citation to back up your fuckwittery. So quit lying and bullshitting, liar and bullshitter
Saying it doesnt make it true, it being true makes it true. You took words, put them in a sentence, and acted like you have a point. Ignorance, bro. I just logicced it.
I have proof of this stuff, and im trying to share a more educated set of facts. Im sorry you all cant think outside your box. Science seeks proof and evidence. Science seeks what is real, and does it by gathering the bits and pieces to form a conclusion.
Logic ungrounded by evidence is nothing more than glorified fan fiction. It might be very internally consistent, but it is still fiction.
It’s completely not my fault that the concept of confirmation bias is beyond your understanding. You don’t like it?
Too. Fucking. Bad.
Fuck off, dumbshit. I was a hippy that believed in qi and was having experiences that would blow your fucking mind before you grew pubes. Save it.
Being you doesn’t mean you understand much of anything at all, it seems.
The story of 3.
Wow. The eggheads in the my-apple-and-your-apple lab are going to shit themselves.
I’m starting to believe you do have mystical powers.
A normal person would have gotten at least one thing right by chance alone.
erodinbladewin wrote:
Here’s another article you need to read – about special pleading. Confirmation bias affects any situation where you claim there is evidence supports your theory; you have to include the data on how often it didn’t work as well. Your saying that your beliefs are ‘different’ doesn’t cut it, I’m afraid.
Irrelevant. You’re claiming it as evidence of your precognitive powers now. You are deliberately ignoring the number of times you have been wrong about something you thought was going to happen, because it would show that your foresight is nothing more than coincidence.
Read up on the Texas sharpshooter fallacy – it’s the same thing that you’re doing. That you’re doing it retrospectively rather than deliberately doesn’t change that.
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
Sorry, it’s neither unbiased – as I’ve demonstrated with the reference to confirmation bias – nor ‘proof’, since we’re not discussing alcohol or mathematics.
LOL, i cant believe you guys are stil trying to say your glorious scientists have the whole picture, Man, i thought people on mytk were retarded, you all have the added flavor of not even knowing your scientists only see the 1+1=2 not the existence of 1+1+1=3. theres more to life than what you can see, or even proof physically
Meetaphysics is a widely used term for physics which you cannot see with the naked eye or machines. Why dont you find the citations for that? Too lazy, or dont want to be proved wrong.
You fucking idiot! Science does not seek proof, science seeks evidence. Of which you have presented none! Present evidence or begone, foul delusional fuckwit!
Fixed that for you unevidenced loser. You need to document and have witnessed all predictions PRIOR to your claiming you are right. PUT UP OR SHUT THE FUCK UP…
No logic, just fuckwittery…Show otherwise with documented evidence, like a Randi video…
Oh, I can think outside of the box. I read fantasy. But for it to be reality, EVIDENCE is required. Your word isn’t evidence. Your word is lies and bullshit until you provide the proper documentation to back up your assertions. And I SEE NOTHING….
PZ, did Scifi/Shiloh reappear???
So i have to prove it for it to exist? Bullshit, because if it doeesnt exist until i prove it does, you cant prove it because IT DOESNT EXIST.
Oh, i also have to document it for it to be true? And science isnt close minded? Im putting this link on 4chan, let them pick the last little bit of dignity from your beings.
The crap you all have said has been 99% bullshit, which is the same amount of bullshit as MYTK has. This is a MYTK for science.
You keep using the term metaphysics. I do not think you know what it actually means:
Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy concerned with explaining the fundamental nature of being and the world, although the term is not easily defined. Traditionally, metaphysics attempts to answer two basic questions in the broadest possible terms:
“What is there?”
“What is it like?”
Of course, that is the way the term is used in the real world. In your world, the one with the plaid sky, I have no idea.
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erodinbladewin saying “Learn to logic” was far and away the most hilarious thing in this thread.
Oh hon. You’re out of your depth.
Truth is an abstraction that has no existence in reality. Science makes no presence at truth, it approximates truth, because it acknowledges that in the real world absolute Truth cannot be obtained.
Similarly, “proof” is an abstraction that exists only in imaginary or arbitrarily constructed realms. Science does NOT deal with “proof”, and does not pretend to. It deals with evidence and solely with evidence, and approximates “proof” by accumulating disproof, through a process of elimination.
Anyone who can say “science is about proof” with a straight face either dorsn’t understand what science is or how science works, or is a liar with an agenda.
Point taken, Ogvorbis. Ive never seen it used outside the context i stated. My apologies.
You make the claim, you need to provide evidence (NOT PROOF!!!11!11!!!!!1)
*sigh*
This is exactly why I tend to stick to the shadows of things, might I mention that all these comments sum up to the same statements over and over again?
That’s usually ignored but its a psychological thing in which if one hears or reads and mentally picks up a statement over and over again, its held to be true.
And, for future reference, science isn’t absolute, people used to believe that they’d never be in the air, but the wright brothers decided to try, and voila, we had airplanes.
Science disproves and reproves itself every year, every month.
Aswell, Metaphysics is generally mentioned as a philosophy, not the supernatural, I don’t know when or why it became supernatural things.
This whole situation is annoying, I only came on because I read all this and noticed it all sums up to several similar statements being said over and over again. And in the end, its all “I’m Right, You’re Wrong.”
Let me see.. The similar statements are: “It’s not real because science says it isn’t.”
“It’s real because I say so.”
“This is bullshit.”
Or something along those lines, atleast, that seems to be how its going.
…I certainly hope this isn’t too long, nor is it going to get attacked because I’m coming in with absolutely no arguments. Well, we’ll see what happens.
Just to let you all know, science has become too “book based” and not enough “Hey lets check it out and if it fails, try to find a way.” but, that’s just how it goes, I personally, try to explain whatever I can, and if I can, I intend to try to make something that may explain some of this stuff well enough, but, don’t expect anything, I have too much I’d have to research on making things work properly.
Of course. So far, I’ve got more evidence that you’re psychic than I do for erodinbladewin. Maybe he or she will make a prediction about it, then listen to it, then tell us if the guess was right. That would be the proper, logical way to do it. We’ll just have to trust that there’s no cheating, and that erodinbladewin could identify the song if he or she ever heard it again.
No, you provide evidence, like a Randi video, to back up your claims. YOUR WORD IS CONSIDERED LIES AND BULLSHIT WITHOUT THIRD PARTY CONFIRMATION.
Yep, that is one way to separate the liars and bullshitters from truthtellers. And your inability to document and cite your claims tells us which camp you are in. The former…
Who the fuck cares what a proven liar and bullshitter does. Just make sure to quote everybody without quotemining, a typical task of the fuckwitted idjits…
Nope, it is you trying to bullshit real scientists and people who do know science. Which leaves you out, otherwise you would have shut the fuck up before you embarrassed yourself to world with your lies and bullshit. You lost this argument very badly. you weren’t even in the game. Your butt is full of pine…
Cipher, youre out of your depth if you think science has found out all of how this little area of the universe works. They havent, you havent, ive proved it to others when working with them on projects, and practice. thats good enough for me to say what i do. You all said im wrong because of your beliefs. Im saying youre wrong because of my experiments, which produced evidence, which lead to realization of FACTS.
Unfortunately, the problem with dealing with people who don’t provide evidence is that there’s no use in moving past the “Please provide evidence” stage, so all one can do is come up with new ways to phrase “Please provide evidence.”
Lol. Is that little ramble supposed to mean something? You’re adorable. Unfortunately, there’s really no use in talking to you until you understand the concept of “confirmation bias,” and since we’ve already provided the resources for you to understand that and rather than use them you’ve chosen to attack a random strawman, we don’t have anything further to say to one another.
If it isn’t documented, it cannot be verified. If it cannot be verified by independent parties then it cannot be said to be true (in the approximation). The truth (approximation) of any statement without documentation and verification cannot be determined and remains solely conjecture.
Quote, with the relevant citation, where anyone on this thread has written anything close to this. You are a liar. Again.
Where is your documentation? EITHER SHOW IT, OR IT DOESN’T EXIST, AND YOUR CLAIM IS BOGUS….
No, you are wrong because you expect us to swallow everything you say without providing evidence to back up your fuckwitted claims. PUT UP SAID EVIDENCE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP…
If we are wrong, CITE OR SHOW THE EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS…
That’s “Mr. 12” to you.
I saw these weird lights in the sky once, and didn’t draw any conclusions. Then I looked it up. It was aliens, the same ones who built the pyramids.
Seriously, you heard a song, had a thought, a feeling, that you would never hear it again, and a measly 11 years later you’re not only convinced that you’ll evade this song the rest of your life, you think you’ve had a precognitive event? This is really convincing to you, and you expect to convince others of this?
That’s cute. You’re really cute.
Although your superpower is kind of…feeble.
So does my sex life. The manual stuff is just out of boredom.
Wait, what?
What is my theory? That you’re idiot who need not be taken seriously?
Look…you had a feeling about a song that hasn’t even come true yet, really, since you might hear the song again tomorrow, and you’ve since become convinced that it all means you are psychic. And you think you have no bias? And there is no possible way you’ve forgotten about or ignored feelings that didn’t come true?
And…you think we’re not being scientific because we’re not convinced by an unverified story told by some random person on the internet?
Oh, you’re an idiot. Really, I looked it up.
Redhead, you keep claiming im wrong because i dont prove myself right. Are you so stupid you dont know how that a bad practice?
You should be saying you dont know. As a matter of fact, i agreed the physical abilities are based in manipulating physics with your self. Therefore you have no reason to argue with me on that. Are you arguing just to argue?
Youre not a real scientist, a real scientist would kick you out of their lab for being so close minded. You didnt even consider what i said, you just said i was wrong. A real scientist would explore my theories with me, not shun them because of past experiences. Every fact has not been found, you are an idiot if you think im bullshitting you because you dont agree.
Whoops.
Hahaha
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Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
I did promise that if you kept doing this I would keep pointing out your mistake. Science does not deal in proof (that is math and liquor). Science deals with evidence. You have one anecdote. One anecdote is not evidence. Multiple anecdotes are not evidence. Do try to keep up you sill fuckwit.
Not that the idiot will even read this. How do you decide which comments warrant a response? Do you even read any of this (other than looking for quotemines to misunderstand)?
Not every fact has been found. So? Should we assume anything you say is a fact?
Fine, feral, right before i die, ill send you an email and tel you if it remained true or not. Honestly, ive checked every radio station that reaches where i am, and the ones i listen to online, none of them even HAVE the song anymore.
Sarina Paris: Look at us now.
Okay, one of the most common things in independent researchers for scientific ideals is not to demand it, sure, asking is a good thing, one of the biggest things however, is to accept potentiality of existence beyond our knowledge.
To claim something as instantly bogus without evidence of existence is to claim yourself without science. Philosophy is the first form of science, the production of debate and ideas, the potential of existence, the ever curiosity of life and death. What can and cannot be done. This is what it was originally, it is still a science, however, as it is forever the way to generate potentiality.
Then alchemy, a primitive form of chemistry, open ended and flawed.
Modern day science is too smug, please, instead of calling yourself a scientist, try to examine its potential existence beyond our grasp at this time, even if it needs to be assisted it could be possible, now couldn’t it?
P.S.: Cipher, you missed a proof.
Currency.
No, razor, you should explore but not assume.
@avinious
Where do you think the data in the books comes from?
erodinbladewin wrote:
Please, cite where Cipher (or anyone else) has claimed that ‘science has found out all of how this little area of the universe works’ – because if you can’t, you’re arguing against what’s called a straw man.
Dara O’Briain said it best: “Science knows it doesn’t know everything. Otherwise it would stop.” You can watch the video here.
Do any of them know what confirmation bias is?
Which song is it? Maybe a radio station near you still takes requests.
No, I’m a professional scienctist, and know how science is done. THE BURDEN OF EVIDENCE IS ALWAYS ON THE CLAIMANT. THE CLAIMANT IS ALWAYS WRONG UNTIL THEY CAN PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE, NOT ASSERTIONS, THAT THEY ARE RIGHT. Oh, and liar and bullshitter, your word is not evidence, as you need to show you are the AUTHORITY, with your credentials and publications, that we should believe you…
Shiloh, is that you fuckwitted loser?
. That is non-existence for all stupornatural events, all unknown creatures like elves and pixies, bigfoot, and even the Higgs boson. All require evidence to be considered real. The Higgs boson will be found. Unlike the rest, and the stupornatural. Agnosticism is not required. Any thinker, skeptic, and scientist knows that. Only liars and bullshitters think otherwise…
*hand fuckwit business card with Sr. Scientist as job title* Proved you to be a liar and bullshitter again. I’m open minded, as soon as you stop lying and bullshitting, AND SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE…
There’s nothing to disagree with *POOF*, all undevidenced assertions are dismissed, which is your history of post this evening. So, what am I disagreeing with again???
avinious, what the hell are you going on about? Do you think no one has ever tried to test psychic powers?
Read the thread. Since asshat has arrived, there have been many, many, many requests for evidence. All requests have been met with incoherence.
Science, right now, is going off in directions no one could really have imagined a generation or two ago. Where is the smugness?
The data in the book comes from people who have done just what others thought impossible, showed it as possible, and generated the circumstances in which one can reproduce fact.
Not someone who didn’t. Those people aren’t progressive, they are suppression.
Those who have the mind to find, to produce, and to form, are the ones who made that data.
Another cookie cutter troll. *Yawn*.
Errorblabwit here probably diesn’t realize that all it has managed to do is repeat same series of tired, discredited fallacies that practically every troll before it has tried. With the exact same hilariously self-unaware condescension and pitiful Dunning-Krueger arrogance.
Same old same old.
Real science produces useful results in a myriad of fascinating ways.
The anti-science trolls are always wrong in the exact same set of ways.
Send it to the TZT, I say. It’s inanity is too boring for a humor thread like this one.
No, science REQUIRES evidence for validation of cliams.
No, philosophy is mental masturbation unless it is grounded in reality. Which requires evidence. Oh, right, that is science, not bullshitting yourself and others…
Okay, I’m exploring your comments, and they haven’t offered any evidence so far. How long are you going to keep me waiting?
It is indeed going in many directions, I am very happy in many of the places it has gone.
It has however, got many scientists who are jerks and cannot see beyond their subject of interest, that, is where the smugness is at.
…Science just needs more philosophy in it as well, it’d probably be smooth feeling then. It works, its just rough around the edges still I guess.
Sorry about that comment. Just personal experience with people who don’t think as much as I’d hoped. Disappointed in it is all.
Uh, no.
That’s not how that works, and it’s also not applicable in this situation. The claims that are being made are testable, and no evidence has been found for them. Evidence has been found for phenomena that explain the experiences related as attempted evidence, though – confirmation bias is one of them.
Please elaborate.
You’re right, but again this is confirmation bias. You do admit that there is such a thing as a claim being impossible or incorrect, right?
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As for 4chan, I’m puzzled as to why you presume that 4chan ought to be your personal army.
avinious:
This is ponderable philosophy: “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
So, if i dont show you evidence, you wont be mature and intelligent and say ” maybe, maybe not” Id hate to be the owner of the company you work for. Youre a close minded idiuot who thinks they are open minded. Thats one of the worst kinds of stupid.
Not once have i told you you have to believe me. ive really been continuing this on to see how you think, more thna what you believe.
Sorry, avinious, that last bit was for erodinbladewin.
Citation, note fuckwitted OPINION, needed. That is why philosophy is mental masturbation, and not a serious endeavor for real thinkers.
No, it works. Period, end of story. The rough edges are only found by those who are left behind because they don’t stay grounded in reality, and just mentally wank.
And if you are a real philosopher, we are disappointed in your thinking ability. What there is of it…
You realize that scientists are specialists, right? Do you really expect a theoretical physicist to suddenly start studying Paleozoic amphibians? They are smug because they have spent their life learning more and more about one part of the universe? Are you serious?
avinious:
Such ignorance!
(What is now science descends from natural philosophy; indeed, natural philosophy with empiricism as its epistemology still pretty much describes science)
avinious, educate yourself about the concepts of parsimony and null hypothesis, in both the philosophical and practical senses. Doing do will help avert the foot-in-mouth syndrome you have managed to get yourself infected with.
Failure to do so will lead to more instances of you making a complete fool of yourself, as you have already managed to do on several occasions already.
Maybe you’ve got psychic powers and maybe not. Happy? I’m not claiming it’s logically impossible for you to have psychic powers. But they’ve been tested all sorts of different ways for a very long time and it’s never worked out. If you don’t show me your evidence, what am I supposed to do that I’m not already doing?
Why is it mature and intelligent to humor you rather than not to do so? In the absence of evidence, you’re going around making positive claims. Why is that better than, in the absence of evidence, us making negative ones?
errorblabwit clearly doesn’t understand what the word “mature” actually means.
See what I mean about these trolls endlessly repeating each other?
erodinbladewin wrote:
What, so someone can claim they’ve come up with a cure for cancer, and you’d be happy to just take their word for it without seeing any of the data? You’d put it out there on the shelves without bothering to determine if it actually worked?
You’re either a liar or a complete fucking idiot. Say, would you like to buy a bridge? Or maybe help my friend in Nigeria with a little money problem?
Nope, you need show evidence to get a “maybe”. Without evidence, you are nothing but a liar and bullshitter…Your OPINION means nothing to science and scientists…
I’m open minded once you show me the evidence. I’m closed minded that your OPINION means anything other than your lies and bullshit, because your history here is nothing but lies and bullshit. Every time you had a chance to show something you avoided doing so, and every time you could show honesty and integrity by shutting the fuck up you failed to do so. So, your word won’t change my mind. Third party evidence will.
I believe I’ll have another drink. You are a boring liar and bullshitter without evidence…
Oh, and I’m mature *produces AARP card*
Redhead, ive given sufficient evidence your lines of logic are so far off, your only possible line of defense for your claims is that i havent provided evidence.
Heres a nice tactic when dealing with idiots. Withold proof they ask for, watch them assume youre wrong when they have no proof against you. Lack of proof is not lack of truth.
Yes, I was talking about the philosophy as such as Socrates, and natural philosophy.
I am only 18, I have a lot of things to learn, forgive me if I am erring.
Amph, I’ll look into those.
I haven’t gotten foot in mouth on this, I simply could be saying things wrong at this time, my understanding hasn’t kicked in, I tend to let my IQ drop around a lot of people.
I don’t believe in impossibility, only improbability.
Yes, scientists are specialists in their subject, but they have a tendency to attack anything NOT within their subject, I simply don’t like hearing someone attack something they didn’t learn or attempt to study about, especially when they aren’t professional ones, that’s the biggest annoyance I have met.
John, thanks, you’re right on that alright. It can be dismissed.
Cipher, I’ll elaborate the proof:
Currency Proofs for Coins.
The first Coin made for a Minting is called a Proof.
Yes, I know I have a long way to go, but I’m doing better then you’d think I would right?
Oh.. uhoh, I forgot what I was gonna say.. Oh yeah, I wasn’t actually bringing this information for this argument in particular.
You have provided no evidence of your psychic abilities. None.
And you still do not understand even one simple idea about how science works. Evidence, not proof! Are you really this fucking stupid?
Yeah herpologists just attack entomologists all the time.
If someone makes a claim without providing evidence, there are two viable mature responses.
1. If you find the claim interesting, you can take up the burden of providing the evidence the first claimant didn’t . This means that you keep your mouth shut until you’ve done the work and HAVE the evidence to present.
2. You simply say “sorry, but my time and intellectual resources are limited and valuable, and as you have given me no reason(evidence) to spend this valuable resource considering your claim, I’m going to spend it on other more useful things.”
To say “maybe, maybe not” is the MOST IMMATURE, and USELESS response conceivable. It’s a waste of your time, breath, and mental energy uttering it, and a waste of my time and mental energy having to listen to it.
Even ignoring the claim completely and saying absolutely nothing is better.
Redhead, ive given sufficient evidence your lines of logic are so far off, your only possible line of defense for your claims is that i havent provided evidence.
Heres a nice tactic when dealing with idiots. Withold proof they ask for, watch them assume youre wrong when they have no proof against you. Lack of proof is not lack of truth.
Amphiox, the difference between trolls and i is i agreed that physical abilities requires the same processes as science observes. I havent said youre wrong about physics except for the instincts and bias issues. Im presenting things ive learned, and telling oyu all how youre so close minded. If this is trolling, then the trolls youve dealt with deserve nobel prizes for proving supposed real scientists wrong.
erodinbladewin wrote:
Um, duh.
That’s the only ‘line of logic’ Nerd has used. That you need evidence if you want your claims to be taken seriously, and not dismissed as the drooling rantings of an unhinged crank.
The burden of proof lies on the claimant.
Here’s a hypothetical: I claim you owe me a million dollars. Is it up to you to prove that you don’t owe me a million dollars, or up to me to prove that you do? Because, by your logic, you have to prove that you don’t – how do you intend to do that?
I’ve got a gut feeling that erodinbladewin is an idiot and a liar, who will never present evidence for psychic powers.
If you don’t provide your bank account and routing number to the e-mail ingdamnit at gmail.com you will die via exploding urethra. No evidence is given, so it’s maybe, maybe not, but can you really risk it?
You have provided no evidence of your psychic abilities. None.
And you still do not understand even one simple idea about how science works. Evidence, not proof! Are you really this fucking stupid?
Do you loose your psychic powers if you capitalize “I”?
You haven’t presented any evidence. This is evidence for evolution. Notice the link to third party evidence, not your FUCKWITTED OPINION. YOUR OPINION IS MEANINGLESS TO US.
Oh, and my wife is the Redhead. My hair color is bald…
Absence of evidence is evidence of absence…meaning you are full of shit without evidence…
And why does one need to be an expert to dismissed unevidence claims? That is skepticism 101, and your OPINION is irrelevant to those of us who have been at it for a while. You need to learn why evidence separates the men from the immature liars and bullshitters.
I wont present proof until you all take a lesson in open mindedness. All you do is argue that i havent presented proof so i must be a liar and a troll. that is what trolls do. You are all trolling, and dont realize it, if we go by your own definition.
You have all made claims that this stuff is fake, lets see your proof. “The burden of proof is on the claimant” Not such a glorious statement now, huh?
Anyone else feel like this?
If you dont have proof, dont believe or disbelieve it. Form no conclusions.Then your instincts will work!
You’ll “look into those”, avinious?
Sheesh. Seriously, an understanding of parsimony is the BARE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT for intelligently discussing a topic such as this. If it is something you have to “look into”, then you shouldn’t even be presuming to be competent to comment on this subject (unless, like errorblabwit, your intent is just to troll).
Right now, you are making a fool of yourself with almost every second sentence you are posting.
This is my second warning for you. I only allow three before I cease to give you benefit of doubt as someone interested in engaging in discussion in an intellectually honest fashion.
Ah. I believe you’re actually responding to Wowbagger, not me. I didn’t actually say anything about proof, which is why I was confused.
That’s it? That’s your “tactic?” Withhold proof, then, what, look at them funny?
Here’s a good magic trick: ask a friend to pick a number between one and 100. Then, run away.
It was this song, wasn’t it? Yeah, don’t even bother denying it. I haz PROOF. Which I will withhold for tactical advantage.
erodinbladewin:
True, though a non sequitur for your imagined point, because that lack of truth entails lack of proof yet lack of proof does not entail lack of truth does not entail that everything that lacks proof is true.
Your own claim entails that to say that you collect snot from your nose and pus from your pimples and stools from your defecations and mix them to use as a condiment with your food does not lack truth, despite any lack of proof.
(eew! You’re disgusting!)
You might be the most oblivious person in the entire universe.
Do kindly let us know when you’re done throwing a temper tantrum.
I think someone made a numbus and needs a changing!
erodinbladewin, you should explore my gut feelings, not just assume they’re wrong. That’s what smart, mature, open-minded people do. I feel it in my bones that you’re an idiot and a liar, who will never present evidence for psychic powers.
Instincts huh?
Ok let me try?
Ok I just ate everything I could fine, masturbated and defecated in the yard before throwing it at a dog that wouldn’t stop barking.
Not sure what that was supposed to prove.
erodinbladewin:
Confirmation bias isn’t physics. It’s psychology, and not very complicated psychology at that; it’s simply an explanation for why people remember only things that support their theories.
Like I said, people who believe in astrology will happily point out the ten times their forecast was spot-on in the last year – failing to recognise that it was wrong the other 355 times.
Try actually reading what people link for your benefit, erodinbladewin. You might actually learn something useful.
Why don’t psychics ever intuit what arguments will and won’t make them look like idiots?
Scientists are very open minded to anyone who has actual evidence. No evidence has been provided.
And, you fucking moron, science seeks evidence, not proof. Why is this so hard for you to grok?
@avinious again, this time at #146:
“To claim something as instantly bogus without evidence of existence is to claim yourself without science.”
To assume something as true before evidence is presented is to claim yourself gullible.
I know your type. You’re trying to claim the “middle ground” between woo and critical thinking. Newsflash: halfway to Crazytown is still crazy.
errorblabwit still dishonestly fapping about “proof” I see. Like a broken record, all sound and fury, signifying nothing. No sentence it faps out that contains the word “proof” but not the word “evidence” (properly used), need be paid an attention at all.
The fapwit sounds exactly like a mean-drunk version of Shiloh/scifi/rajkumar.
Completely retarded attempts at logic mixed with a fancy use of words. My word, we have evolving monkeys!
You all are beyond stupid. Ive said things ive experienced, and all you can do is say “prove it to me or i wont consider it.” If youre real scientists EXPLORE IT YOURSELVES. Youre all “real scientists” until its time to act like one. then you just point fingers and act like you have a point.
Also my gut instinct IS that people who claim psychic ability are charlatans or dips.
How come that’s not valid?
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avinious, at least you’re paying some attention and actually thinking.
You might care to read up on the history of science so that your opinions are less uninformed.
Tranlation, I don’t have any evidence, you have to takem my lying and bullshitting word for it…
Yep, that’s what happens at a science/skeptic blog…
Nope, I’m not trying to get a rise out of you, liar and bullshitter, I’m teaching you how to think…but you are hopeless and closed minded on how science is done.
Sorry Shiloh, same old fuckwitted prove a negative, which is the last resort of liars and bullshitters. For us to prove a negative requires you define and show how you “achieved” your claims in sufficient detail in order to disprove them. Vague claims can’t be disproven, and your claims are as vague as they get…
I may have studied those before, and forgotten them, I’ve been lacking in my studies for a good while now. This is probably motivation to make me do so again, If I don’t seem intelligent to you, you certainly have high standards of intelligence. I’m just a poor person with a lot of free time, I took this as a hobby to study these things.
I am by no means a professional, I do not demand it, I simply wanted to try and get people to think of alternatives. I was not trolling, nor was I interested in a lengthy debate. I actually came in with only the intentions of my first comment.
Thanks for your time, it was fun, and it gave me the push I may have needed to resume my ever lengthening studies of the philosophies.
Vaiyt, yes, I like this spot.
My other intention, was maybe to cool some of you guys down, did it work? It appears to have, there were a lot less Caps locking.
We can now add “logic” to the list of words errorblabwit does not know how to use properly.
Erodinbladewin, stop using “retarded” as an insult. I’ve seen you do it a bunch of times in this thread. It’s a shitty thing to do under any circumstances, but since you don’t seem the type willing to understand that, just know that it’s not acceptable here.
We’ve given alternate explanations for your experiences that are more plausible because they have been reliably demonstrated to happen, so you’ll need to do better than that.
Real scientists listen to the rantings of petty temper tantrum throwing children with poor grammar.
Try making clucking noises
open mindedness noun To take in such a dose of woo as too make one’s brain liquid enough to fall out of one’s skull by any available orifice, usually nose, ears and/or eyes.
erodinbladewin wrote:
Have you never heard of Project Alpha? James Randi made a whole bunch of people look like fools for believing in ‘psychics’ since he eventually revealed it was all faked.
So, this stuff has been faked; there’s your ‘proof’.
You’re welcome.
Don’t flatter yourself
You know, it’s…
It’s true.
My utter inability to see beyond my subject of interest: that
is precisely where my smugness is at. I’m a jerk.
(I’m sure that least one of my ex-wives has used that epithet specifically.
“But Honey,” I’d say, “I’m sorry about the anniversary thing, but c’mon, Sweetheart, you know it’s nesting season…”
“Fuck you,” she’d reply, “You’re a jerk.” Something like that.)
(OK, both of them have definitely said something a lot like that.)
(And more than once. But anyway.)
In conversations about oh like politics or basketball or TV shows, or, you know, somebody’s psychic powers, I’m bluffing, I’m kind of uncertain; not really comfortable. Actualy, I don’t really say much at all. I’m subdued. I let others have the floor and hold forth and so on. I try not to roll my eyes too obviously, usually succesfully. I try not to be jerk.
But when the conversation turns to turtle physiology?
That’s where my smugness is at, baby.
I can’t seem to help it.
(is that what you were talking about? it’s hard to tell with all those funky commas.)
You presume a lot to think you can make a judgement regarding how commenters here choose to use caps locking, and the reasons we have for doing so. This demonstrates a great deal of arrogance on your part, and is frankly quite insulting, avinious.
This is warning number three.
It’s usually just not a good idea to do that from a position of ignorance. I’m not saying that to insult you, but what you’re effectively doing is coming into a room full of people, some of whom are experts, and saying “YOU ALL JUST HAVEN’T THOUGHT ABOUT THIS ENOUGH!” It isn’t productive, and it is rather insulting.
My sister-in-law is retarded. She has one of the Down’s syndromes. Do not use mental retardation as an insult you ignorant asshat.
No. We have not. We have asked for evidence. Evidence that can be measured and replicated. That is how science works.
Which we do all the time around here (I learn something new on this blog weekly, if not daily). But alternatives require evidence. If there is no evidence, it should be on a woo blog.
Redhead, ill nominate you for a prestigious political position, you talk alot, yet say nothing. Your retort had less intelligence in it than “prove it or be ridiculed, because science demands evidence” Any claim can be proven true or false. My claims arent vague, they just arent claims of complex cells or claims about how a star is formed from gases.
Evidence is pieces of reality that support a claim, or prove it wrong. By that note, proof would be direct presentation of the claim itself. You dont put pieces together to make these abilities, they have a process, its done as a whole, or its not done. My use of the word proof has been correct. Youre after proof, to think youre after evidence is retarded.
erodinbladewin wrote:
Yesterday I jumped from the top of a 40-storey building, without a parachute or anything, and landed safely on the ground unharmed because I used psychic powers to break my fall.
Try it for yourself, erodinbladewin – if you’re all about ‘real science’. Or don’t you have the courage of your convictions?
Stop using “retarded” as an insult.
Wowbagger, never said i could do something that drastic with the abilities. Lets both explore our claims. DOnt try and push the point back to me like it actually makes me look bad …
Well, being that every single investigation of any honesty and integrity into psychic powers has shown them to at best be parlor tricks and at worst full bred scams I’m going to need more than the online ravings of an obvious moron to sway me.
Cipher, in your case, retarded is an insult. You have a mental deficiency that inhibits your intelligence. its called being human.
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avinious:
Your metric is meretriciously inadequate; my earlier invocation of erodinbladewin’s coprophagy (which by its claims does not lack truth) is equivalent to others’ ad capslock. :)
Oh you’re doing a bang up job making yourself look bad all on your own.
So you’re what…Bajoran?
If any of you are real scientists, no wonder you cant solve the worlds problems. Youre all too busy thinking like cavemen.
The people i have proved my claims to are laughing their asses off at you.
THANK YOU WE NEEDED A NEW NANNY!!!!!!!
erodinbladewin wrote:
You’re almost there. Evidence either supports a claim or it doesn’t. When the evidence fails to support the claim, or there is a lack of evidence that supports the claim, the claim can be rejected.
That’s what we’re doing with you. You’ve made a claim for which not only is there no evidence, but which has been tested hundreds of times before and provided only evidence against the claim – not to mention revealing many of the claimants to be complete frauds.
Ergo, your claim is rejected. Stamping your feet won’t change our minds about that; only evidence will.
Your refusal to be openminded about what you percieve as your experience makes you look bad. Your consitent inability to understand the difference between proof and evidence makes you look bad. Your whinging makes you look bad.
And your continued use of mental retardation as an insult, despite me, and others, asking you not to, makes you look bad. As in immature, privileged, and thoroughly assholish. Go fuck yourself with a dead porcupine. You are dishonest. You are incoherent. You are ignorant. And you are not fucking welcome here.
You don’t know them though…they live in Canada
So to recap, you can prove it but refuse to…and insult people to whom you refuse to demonstrate your power.
And your powers don’t tell you how fucking moronic and childish that seems?
And you’re not. What’s your point?
Well, we’re trying, but our test subject refuses to do his psychic stuff for us.
It’s how science works, dumbass. Given people’s propensity for faking shit like psychic powers, the skeptical attitude (requiring replicable evidence obtained under conditions controlled for all the well-known mistakes, biases, and random fluctuations of chance) is necessary to weed out the cranks.
Until you show otherwise, consider yourself weeded.
I guess that wasn’t my last comment.
Cipher, you and john are probably the nicer end of the group, I thank you for your kindness towards me, as I am still new to this.
I wasn’t saying that exactly, but if that is how it was perceived, then I apologize for any insults I unintentionally brought forth.
ChasC, I loved your comment, even if it was meant to be a point in my statements. I found myself laughing from how you approached this, thank you.
If you want me to think more appropriately on this subject, some key references would be helpful.. I only study this stuff on my spare time.
This, at the least, is my last comment for the next 20 minutes. I really must take a shower.
Nope. Depends on how well defined they are. Take the claim “there is mercury in this soil”. This is a vague claim. What is the endpoint for saying “there is no mercury”. Analyzing every molecule? Or a defined 1 ppm or 1 ppb endpoint. The latter two can be shown. The first can’t. Quit lying and bullshitting to yourself, then quit lying and bullshitting to us.
They are vague until you show evidence for them. End of story.
Fixed that for you loser…
Fixed that for you loser. Science doesn’t do proof. It has evidence to support its claims, unlike you. You have nothing but lies and bullshit.
Actually you do.
Your unevidenced claim is not a process, just you lying and bullshitting.
In your case, done is self-delusion, and you haven’t shown documented evidence otherwise…
Nope, science doesn’t do proof, and your word isn’t proof of anything other than your delusional thinking, lies, and bullshit.
Nope, I’m not after proof. I’m after documented evidence. They aren’t the same, no matter how often your repeat the lies and bullshit that they are….
Citation, not your fuckwitted OPINION,needed loser.
Well, im sorry to say youve been dealing with the 99% of the world thats fluffy aka bullshitters. Im also well aware that your machines cant replicate telekinesis without some catalyst force like wind or earth. Heres where you realize theres something in the body thats not in the environment around you. Its Ki. Theres many people trying to make a quick buck, and the 99% makes this stuff look really fake. But, since ive proven it to others, i know it can be proven.
One of the times i did TK, the paper towels came off the roll (the edge was on the opposite side of the roll from me) when i was pulling my arms TOWARDS me. I realize the push could have been from the wind that came from the force with which i pushed my hands forward. But, how do you explain away the pull? Room with no active AC< no windows open, paper towels were rolled up with edge opposite me on purpose. Towels were wrapped as tightly as if they were new.
Please, please, find a logical explanation against my claim of the pull.
I was 15-20 feet away from the roll of paper towels.
You haven’t shown any evidence for your claims. None.
Therefore there is no need for counter-explanations.
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feralboy12,
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Are they psychic? My instincts tell me that erodinbladewin is a Betazoid.
Simple. You’re talking crap.
Do you have evidence of this happening? Evidence being something other than your word, especially since you have been shown multiple times to be a liar.
there are no counter explanations possible, since no explanations have been made about the stuff about my TK.
Why dont you give me these citations you all talk about, ones that show experiments that “prove” its not possible.
Im honestly tired of arguing with you idiots. Monkeys will be monkeys. I guess humanity is doomed if youre in charge. Wait, thats why nonhumans are here, to fix your damn mistakes. Grow up.
Poor, poor, errorblabberwit, even when it attempts to insult it epic fails. Apparently it does not realize that the general consensus is that cavemen were at least as intelligent, and likely morsel (thanks to much more intense selection pressure for quick-wittedness) than modern domesticated pampered city dwellers.
Good try, but that doesn’t actually address what I said, and I have no interest in trying to figure out what you’re trying to say. All I care about is that you stop using “retarded” as an insult. Can you do that, or do you need to fuck off?
erodinbladewin, The Amazing Randi used a piece of the MacArthur award he won to set up his million dollar prize for demonstrable psychic powers. And that was twenty years ago. And the prize is still untouched. Why? Randi is a stage magician, and understands the tricks used to fake psychic powers, and he counteracts them. Uri Gellar can’t bend spoons if Randi is nearby…
You can put up or shut the fuck up. Your choice cupcake. Bedtime for Nerd.
Ogvorbis, ive been assumed to be a liar, i have not yet been proven one :P
Anyway, i am seriously done here, now. You guys are hopeless. this is why almost all of humanity id forcibly restricted from using such abilities. You can learn about them, or others can use them on you. So, dont say im trying to use this to back out of the proof thing :P
Wow. Just wow.
Can we talk more about these nonhumans?
erodinbladewin: .
I will if you will stop eating your shit, pus and snot condiment.
Your habit is very, very disgusting to me.
Deal?
Holy fuck, xe actually responded to one of my comments. Xe’s still provided plenty of evidence that xe is a liar, but still.
Looks like we can add “explanations”, “possible”, and “humanity” to the growing list of words that erodedblubberwit cannot understand and is too dishonest to use properly.
Yeah – you don’t understand what the burden of proof is. I realize that you think you do, which is why you tried to pull some smug bullshit with it earlier. You think you’re making fantastic and important arguments, but unfortunately you’re actually just showing your ass. It’s a Dunning-Kruger issue, and the worst part is that your misguided confidence that you already know what you’re talking about is preventing you from learning, so it’s kind of a waste of time to try to explain it to you.
@avinious
“Vaiyt, yes, I like this spot.”
It’s comfortable, isn’t it? You get to feel more reasonable than both sides of the debate, without having to add anything to it.
@erodinbladewin
Any claim can be proven true or false.
If by “prove” you mean “do enough logical gymnastics to create a closed loop of inferences”, then maybe you’re right. That’s why we ask for concrete, real world evidence of your claims, something measurable and repeatable, so that we can go beyond childish “proofs” and into something that actually works.
Does erodedfailplow really not understand that him claiming to have demonstrated TK, while not offering the slightest shred of documentation that the event occurred at all, is worth exactly ZERO?
Erodins entrance into Koniki Forest
by ~ErodinBladewin
*puts on his helm made of titanium alloy infused crystal* “Im fully dressed now, its time to stop delaying and test my interdimensional teleporter. Ah well, lets get this over with. ” *hops into the teleporter setting the destination for the alternate earth. After hes done, he takes a look at the other controls, and cecides to make one final adjustment, to attempt to change himself into a more humanoid version favorite animal ever, a hedgehog.* “And here we go” *activate the teleporter, grunting heavily at the force of the energetic flow. His last thought before fading out of earths realm, is that he forgot to eat before he left …*
*Halfway through the travel from one realm to the other, he notices he will end up somewhere thats clearly not where he intended to go. When he appears in the forest, he notices hes about 200 feet in the air, and frantically attempts to slow his fall using wind magic. This succeeds greatly, until he tires himself out the rest of the way, weary from the cross realm teleportaion. as he falls the last 50 feet, he becomes aout a hundred pounds of freefalling flesh and armor.”
*theres a strange whoosh or air, and a great stirring of grass before a giant thud, which masks a yelp. After all the dust and debric clears, a black hedgehog in titanium infused crystal armor, with a sword on his right hip, becomes visible inside a 5 foot deep in hole in the ground, about 50 feet away fron the inns front door.
kill hedgehog with fireErodins Bio
by ~ErodinBladewin
Name: Erodin Bladewin aka Phasing Swordsmen
Primary capabilities: Fire and air magic. Sword that can be used to cut the bonds of matter to make a sort of “empty space” around him, and enabling him to move at almost the speed of sound for .1 seconds ( or 20-25 yards). The sword has a crystal in it that can be charged with enough energy for 2-3 small fireballs, or enough air magic output to knock a smaller enemy down, without causing harm. Extreme emotional distress will cause a rise in power for about 15-20% extra effect from physical attacks and magic, until he calms down (usually takes 5 minutes at most. Can be up to 10 if he completely snaps.)
Personality: A Guardian of the those less fortunate or capable. Believes in equality and fairness for all. Will sometimes step in when hes not needed or wanted, but will take the hint and stay out if youre forceful enough. A generally mild mannered, and hard to piss off guy. Has a hard time hurting others, even when extremely angry. If pushed far enough, will completely snap and rampage against those who hurt him. Is of above average intelligence, almost a genius when it comes to strategy, and using his environment to his benefit. As a veteran of war, he is more attuned to the subtle sounds that come from the movements of all but the best in stealth and subterfuge.
Bio: Comes from a military family, where he was abused by his insane father who was never home unless he was drunk. He and his mother dealt with drunken fits of rage in which he was too drunk to notice when he beat his wife and son. Grew up hating the military, thinking all it was about was making others die hard, violent individuals.
At 13 he began to think about how he could help rid his home world, Earth, of violence and make everyone truly stand on equal ground, even if he had to hold then up. As much as he desired to make his dreams reality, his life kept throwing him into deeper and deeper troubles. Was never able to get any kind of real help, because everyone just laughed at his vulnerability, and refused to train him. After 3 long years of grief, and many thoguhts of suicide he found a master of Ninjitsu at a local gym, who was once part of what was called “the X-Raiders.” They were a military unit completely devoted to the assassination of members of enemy countries governments. Erodin and Arik becme good friends over the time they spend getting to know each other, and training together. After years of friendship, Arik was killed right in front of Erodins eyes, throwing Erodin into an even deeper depression than before. Erodin decided to try academic studies, instead of fighting, which lead him to realize the existence of other realms, of various complexity. An experiment in phasing onto those realms went wrong, sending him into Koniki Forest, instead of an alternate Earth.
Thanks, consciousness razor! It makes me feel all squishy inside, like my mind is so open that my brains fell out or something!
erodinbladewin wrote:
I never said you did. You said that if someone doubts a claim – no matter what the claim is – they should test it for themselves. Are you now revising your statement to exclude any claim that involves something ‘drastic’? If so, why?
Dude, it’d take ten of me working around the clock to come even close to making you look as bad as you’ve made yourself look already.
Ah, but does your mother think you’re cool? That’s the real test.
Listen moions, you all came over to someone elses site and claimed were full of crap. the burden of proof is on you all, since you started it. End of story on that.
Amphiox, lets add the fact you need to be more open minded. Ive used the words correctly. You just believe the stuff isnt possible, have no clue of the obvious definition of humanity (since you wish to question me, youre either dumb or a troll), you seriously cant be so dumb you dont see how many explanations for our beliefs there have been.
Cipher, just stop posting. At least the others are able to realize part of what im saying. they just disagree with my meanings.
Wait, erodinbladewin, you’re saying you can move things with your mind? And all you’ve done with that power is unroll some paper towels???? Fuck, why aren’t you out saving children from tornado-ravaged collapsed buildings and crap like that? Christ on a stick, even if you did have that power, I’d say you’re an asshole for not making good use of it. You should be the MOST FAMOUS PERSON IN THE WORLD and should be all over the place using your power for good.
Unless, that is, you’re lying.
+1 to Ing to getting me to hum “My girlfriend who lives in Canada” while reading the thread. :)
@vaiyt
Yes, I suppose that’s part of the mid space territory, but.. It also enables you to attempt to understand both sides by drawing in their information, and then understanding it yourself, enabling you to become a 3rd party in it, to hopefully bring about a less dangerous ending of the argument.
I like being a balance, or if not that, somewhat of a way to keep everything from blowing up dramatically. With lots of special effects.
I also like trying to understand as much as I can.
I don’t like picking sides anyways, its too bothersome.
Your failure to cite or provide evidence to back up your claims did that. In science you either put up the evidence or shut the fuck up. Liars and bullshitters can’t put up and can’t shut up. Just like you….
So do you. Do you think it’s possible that your ‘abilities’ are in fact imaginary, a product of cognitive bias and your own ignorance?
@Carlie
Paper towels AND goal posts!
Nope, still on you, making the claims. It will always be on you. You can’t put that onto us, as we aren’t making positive claims, merely laughing at your inability to provide any for your positive claims….Making you a liar and bullshitter until you provide that evidence….
One need only look at the cartoon series Avatar (both of them) to see how broad the implications of functional TK should be. If erodedblubberwit actually had the ability I should be busy revolutionizing modern manufacturing and rolling in money to be trolling a science blog.
Noooo! My cabbage cart!
Everything you’ve said here is crap. Nothing but crap. Ergo, you are full of it.
We can also add “open minded” to the list of concepts that errorblabberwit either cannot understand or is too dishonest to use correctly.
@avinious
Golden Mean fallacy. Look it up.
When one of the sides is wrong, sitting on the fence only makes you half wrong.
Shit, if eroticslimedemon could actually do TK, the money-making opportunities alone are mind-boggling. They certainly wouldn’t be wasting time bitching at people on a blog.
redhead, provide evidence im a bullshitter and a liar until i provide evidence.
“Sir, I’d like to return this comic book.”
Whoa, Captain Towel. What evil does he thwart this week?
Since I have no paper towels, their powers will avail them not.
Good try, but no, that’s still not how that works. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You need to go learn about confirmation bias AND the burden of proof before you will be worthwhile to discuss anything with. And when you get back from doing that (lol), your first job will be explaining to us what the fuck you think you are and your grounds for thinking so.
I believe that you are suffering from the Golden Mean fallacy. Sometimes, being in the middle just means being half wrong.
My capability with TK is at best a parlor trick version. theres no money to be made flapping paper towels.
Lol, vaiyt :) THIS IS CLEAR PROOF OF MY PSYCHIC POWERS
Well, I guess I mean your psychic powers since you posted yours first :(
Trick being the key word
erodinbladewin wrote:
Moions? Hey, you don’t get to call me that. That’s our word, and only we can use it.
But, as to going over to someone else’s site? I don’t remember doing that. Can you cite me by linking to the page where my comment appears, or to where you’ve put a screen shot of my comment on a picture-sharing website?
Carl Sagan: “It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out.”
Your brains are perilously close to falling out, erodinbladewin.
Nonsense. If you could make paper towels flap in an entertaining way, you could have steady and lucrative work on the TeeVee. Hell, Fox News Channel probably could hook you up with someone who’d pay big bucks to get just the right bit of paper to flap at just the right time for their hidden camera.
Parlor trick was used as a figure of speech. Thanks for proving your lack of working instincts. You would have known how i meant it otherwise :P
Anyway, my limited ability with TK is not enough to make money. itd be cool at first, to others, but eventually itd be so 2 seconds ago.
That is good. I’m glad my telekinetic powers are still working. You should get the bill within 90 days.
erodin,
How come you haven’t answered my question yet? Do you think it’s possible that your ‘abilities’ are in fact imaginary, a product of cognitive bias and your own ignorance?
Bah shit, iPad posting
Yeah that whole determining truth and reality sucks
My instincts say that you’re wrong and a fraud.
Scientific evidence. And Skepticism, with this
And scientific methods require evidence.
Scientists, who have honesty and integrity, either put up the evidence or shut the fuck up if they don’t have it when challenged. But if one thinks about it for all of five seconds, liars and bullshitters can’t put up evidence because they don’t have any, and can’t shut the fuck up because their whole aim is to bamboozle people by using bafflegabble. So, why can’t you put up or shut the fuck up??? We both know the answer bafflegabber…
Yes, I suppose I would be half wrong then, but only if I actually attempted to bring about a compromise on this that included both.
Wait, I have, just not here. It’s just one of those things that people fantasize about and try to make discoveries in. Anyways, it only counts if you are actually acting as a third party that creates a compromise, in this case, by saying a less dangerous end, I meant attempting to keep any escalation from happening, if it does.
I have considered it, and still do. But, i keep getting evidence and proof that they arent. You can only control an experiment so much before you logically have to accept that something is real.
No I knew what you meant. I’m just basing my opinion on every single thing we know about the world that anything you may think you are doing is just a trick. Fake.
Prove me wrong.
@erodingbladewin
“redhead, provide evidence im a bullshitter and a liar until i provide evidence.”
Your vacuous claims without evidence ARE evidence of that.
“My capability with TK is at best a parlor trick version. theres no money to be made flapping paper towels.”
There’s money to be made in showing to the whole world you’re the first real psychic.
What you are doing is not an experiment.
What you are using is not logic.
How would you define an experiment?
Big, why dont you prove i need to prove myself to you. The whole burden of proof thing is just people pointing fingers and assigning responsibility when they have no right to. The universe didnt say i had to provide any evidence to be right or wrong, people did.
I will not say what i am because there are no accurate texts about it. Theres a note about my kind from the greeks, but they were wrong. The name, however, is correct.
erodinbladewin wrote:
Oh, there’s some f(l)apping going on alright. And I’m not talking about towels…
Good try, but no.
Go ahead and discuss it then. I’d love to hear this.
Note how erodedblubberwit presumes to put words in my mouth, saying that I assume something is impossible when I have exoressly said no such thing. This, apparently, is what errorblabwit takes as its standard of proof – ie “proof” is whatever it wants it to be. Pathetic intellectually dishonest fapwit.
In fact, I’m not sure if ANYONE (except the lying fapper) has EVER actually claimed it was “impossible”, though I haven’t been able to examine the whole thread with just an IPhone as an interface.
errorbladderwort is engaging in one of the oldest and lowest of rhetorical tricks – when you have no answer for your opponent’s arguments, you MAKE UP an argument, stuff it into your opponents mouth, and argue against what you, yourself, have made up.
Laughably pathetic.
*there’s no actual law of physics that forbids TK. One could readily conceive of an animal evolving the ability in this universe, or even a future technology that gives humans the ability. But there’s no evidence that any of Earth’s lifeforms have evolved the ability, and plenty of evidence that they haven’t. So if you, as a lifeform on earth, want to claim the ability and be believed, you have to provide the credible evidence that you, specifically, can do it.
Unholy Baby Squid of SPAM! Did metaphysical, telekinetic, telepathic, teleporting, woo-ace here really just admit not knowing if any of us are real scientists?????
Well, our new supergenius troll has just proved that not only does Russell’s Teapot and the planet Gor exists, the teapot is the planet. And the invisible pink dragon lives on the surface.
Anyone who doubts this is a liar.
Actually, i knew what you meant by your mention of my use of the word possible. Its called empathy/telepathy.
D’OH!
Hahahaha.
Erodinbladewin, explain what reference the Greeks made to “your kind.”
In his delusional world, a real scientist will swallow his word, and not question and laugh at it. I have no idea where such scientists exist, but not at this blog.. Bwahahahahaha, a real ignorant and stupid uncomical troll.
erodinbladewin wrote:
Um, no. You’d be changing the way we think about the world in a way that no-one has ever done before. We would have to re-evaluate nearly everything we know about how the world works. You’d be a fucking demigod.
Aratina Cage, our new supeergenius troll did make the claim that Nerd would be chased out of a lab.
Too bad our troll cannot use metaphysics to realize that Nerd is not a Redhead but is bald.
Is this a proof I should have withheld?
Be ause this is the point we’ve been trying to get through your thick head. Without you showing you can do what you claim you can do there is no reason we should believe you. Everysingle person who has ever made this claim has been proven a charlatan.
If we took everyone’s word on extraordinary claims without any evidence we could never know the truth. It’s not only how science works, it is how reality works.
You have the burden.
I can fly and fart rainbows. It is your burden to prove I can not.
Chimpy also pisses mircobrew beers.
Are you 12 or just incredible fucking immature and stupid?
And every time I burp, a new galaxy is born.
But only when I drink mountain dew.
Wile E Coyote
Come on, you’re leaving the best part out. The reptiloids also haven’t asked you for evidence. Even though they’ve got all the power, at least they’re open-minded and shit. Now I feel awful about how I’m not willing to believe any jackass who claims all sorts of unbelievable bullshit without providing evidence. I don’t want to be worse than the reptiloids.
What the fuck are you talking about?
erodinbladewin wrote:
Then how the hell have you failed (after severael tries) to grasp the concept of confirmation bias?
Im an archon, nice try though
redhead, you have no concept of sarcasm, i suppose.
the rest of you. Oh please, i knwo scientists wouldnt just accept my word. They would, however, explore it if i explained what conditions it is possible in, and they could have them replicated, or do it with their own equipment. What you all are doing is saying is support your claim or we wont consider it. Guess what, i gave enough consideration to claims i found retarded or highly improbable, to explore them, and ended up learning new things. Stop being assumptive idiots. Your scientific method might work for physical stuff, but theres a reason scientists cant figure out the mind the whole way, Part of it works on a whole other dimension, and thus wont be seen by any of your machines for quite some time.
I had no idea that the ability to understand the situation of an other person was related to my ability to move an object with the power of my brain.
No wonder people are a complete mystery to me, I cannot make a paper towel flap on a roll.
Sounds like you’ve been reading too many fantasy and sci fi novels. Time to join reality little guy.
Then they’re assholes.
You proved shit to them. To us you’ve just claimed to have powers. We’re supposed to believe you on the basis of the belief that other people have about you based on evidence?
Truly, you are a stupid fucking person.
But, I’ve grown to be fond of you. I am offering you an unparalleled opportunity. For the modest investment of $10,000, I will earn you $1,000,000, which you would then be free to spend however you wish. A TK centre, if that tickles your fancy. Look at how many people you could help with that sort of seed money. And all for only $10,000.
You don’t believe me? But I assure you, I am 100% correct in my investment advice. If you continue to doubt, let me say that the people I’ve already made independently wealthy will be laughing their asses off at you. Science dictates you keep an open mind.
So, I can expect your cheque within days, then?
Fuck off.
LOL.
Okay.
Give me your source text. Author, text, line or chapter number.
Rainbows dude.
Notice how Cipher laughed instead of telling me if i was right or wrong about my TP claim? Thought so. You guys are so facty facty when you think im wrong but wont say it when i prove im right.
Big, i never said you should believe me, i said you should explore the claims on your own. If other people can go from disbelieving this stuff is possible to actually doing it, then you can, too.
Nope, not stupid nor immature. Telepathy to find out the thought, empathy to see if the thought is random feedback, imagination, etc. I check to see if there are any signals that denote some form of emotion. Most of them happen faster than you can notice, so you need practice to isolate them.
I want to know where erodinbladewin lives so I can buy stock in the largest supplier of tinfoil to the region. I have a feeling it’s going to sell pretty well as long as he’s around.
No you’re a joke.
Somewhere in greek mythology it mentions Archons. The stuff in there is wrong, though. Some of mythology is actual facts gathered by experiences. But the ever present dishonest authors took these stories of people experiences and made them into something resembling a bedtime story. I realize as well as you do that mythology is not a good source of reference for my case here.
if i can get them to post here, youll have a citation about someone i put a sword construct into, and they almost crapped themselves and threw up ^_^
Classic dodge.
We have numbers of established incidents of people exploring this and people like you and all of them come back showing people like you to be fakes.
You’re the worst psychic ever. Tell me what the fuck text you’re talking about.
Another reason you’re the worst psychic ever: You don’t even know why that’s hilarious.
erodinbladewin wrote:
How come your empathy/telepathy hasn’t allowed to you discern the definition of the word ‘prove’ yet?
Here’s a tip: you saying it without providing any evidence to support you ≠ proof, even when misuing the term the way you do.
No, you have experiments with fakes to reference. if you had experiments with people like me, youd be the host of a very successful supernatural tv show.
You guys think like idiots, thus, no evidence given.
I just wanted to see this in print again.
you dont know what the word prove means, apparently.
1) Demonstrate the truth or existence of
I have demonstrated it, just not to you lol.
Well this has been uh… Fun but I have to get some sleep so I can work real powers tomorrow making sure little bits of data magically move from one location to another at amazing speeds. EVEN ACROSS STATES!!!
Woooooooouuhoooogabooga
Oh and fart rainbows while flying around.
Uh-huh.
I’m getting some pretty good evidence for what a bad psychic you are, based on the fact that you still don’t know why you’re sooooo funny.
Supergenius is under no obligation to actually point out any collaborating evidence that he knew when a song would never be played on the radio again. Using your powers of perception, you should be able to name that song. But because you are too busy mocking his modest talent, you never had a chance to develop your talent.
Cipher, i mentioned why its hilarious. However, some of mythology is truth.
Oh damnit
No you have not
Nope. That’s not why. Telepathy fail.
OH moon unit is an archon? What did the party already have an elf?
btw you should know that most people on Pharyngula are Inevitables. I mean, obviously right. Beings of pure logic and order. Save for Chas, he’s a Slaad
The sum of it is im arguing with people who are apprently never going to wake up
Note the sarcasm
They…almost…crapped…themselves…
(Dissolves in uncontrolled giggling)
No you’re just as fake as them, you just haven’t allowed yourself to be exposed yet.
[meta]
Cipher, one doesn’t need to be a classical scholar to be amused, but I imagine it makes it even funnier. :)
—
Our deluded toy probably imagines something like this: Archon.
Woah, so cipher is schizophrenic, seeing connections between concepts that dont actually exist. Epic. Explains your lack of at least one decent counter argument.
You keep up your fapping about how we’re all so terrible. I’ll sit over here and taunt you with your really poor telepathy skills and your insistence that you’re an archon, which is a thing they mentioned at some point somewhere in Greek mythology. But you know what though? Tell me what text you’re talking about, what author and which specific place in the text, and I’ll tell you why you’re so funny absolutely free.
Ok night night “archon”
Bwaahahaha
nope, i m ean similiar to this ^_^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archon
Archon means ruler. It’s not a term for a mythological being.
Unless you’re tell us that you’re from a race of pretentious assholes, a very believable claim.
I don’t know, Janine, but I do know I would like to be in the room when metaphysical genius boy? wonder here is given a can of salted mixed nuts to open. Hee.
I’m enjoying reading things here, but I just want to extend an invitation for private conversation to Cipher ( or maybe some helpful advice for me FROM Cipher ) I like him. And john. I like both of them.
But uh… I must find a way to do so without just throwing out my email address on a website.
Great, I think feralboy12 has actually crapped himself. For the love of the demiurge, please try to keep your powers focused on things like paper towels, erodinbladewin.
Intuit it
Fuckity fuck fuck! I facepalmed so hard, I pushed my face to the back of my skull. That fucking hurts!
Uh, your source text is Wikipedia?
You’re funny because “archon” is nothing more than a participle for “ruling” or “being first”; claiming mysteriously and importantly that it was something that was mentioned somewhere in Greek mythology is unbelievably hilarious, because it was used repeatedly throughout a number of Greek texts as the word for people who happened to be in charge of things.
erodinbladewin wrote:
If they were facts they’d be history, not mythology.
Nothing you’ve presented so far is a good source of references for you case, but that hasn’t stopped you yet.
Is that sentence meant to make sense? Because it doesn’t.
So, why aren’t you the host of a very successful supernatural tv show?
Non sequitur – do you know what that is?
Part of schizophrenia is making associations that dont exist.
This has gone beyond retarded into abyssmal.
As i said, greek only got the word right when it comes to my kind. I said nothing about how they associate it to humanity.
Here, let me spell it out more. They took the name for my kind, and associated it to human rulers.
Wait a second! Is that the Illuminati?
Uh, no, sweetheart.
Dammit, stop using “retarded” as an insult. That’s actually part of the RULES around here, so it’s not a request. Stop doing it.
@erodinbladewin
“The whole burden of proof thing is just people pointing fingers and assigning responsibility when they have no right to.”
Yeah, we with that pesky skepticism and expecting people to show their Thor damn work. If only we just accepted any old crap from random people on the internet at face value, we’d learn sooo much more.
“Im an archon”
Protoss are not real.
It would not be history. its mythology because the people in that time believed in deities, but they didnt believe it when someone contacted them, because it was supposedly “too high an honor for a mere human.”
It is mentioned in greek mythology. Archons were spiritual leaders, Zeus was once called the Archon of his pantheon. Nice try.
I was right: You’re the most oblivious person in the world.
I was right, youre schizophrenic and stupid.
Bliss ninny.
Here’s the pitch…
snicker
Okay, time for me to disappear for a bit, y’all, I’ve gotta go finish my Greek translation before bed.
I’m not kidding, that’s actually what I’m going to do.
Lol.
I wish I was an Archon. To be able to wipe up spills 15-20 feet away without getting up from my chair? That’d be awesome. Plus I could probably get lucrative endorsement contracts from like Bounty or Scott. Maybe they’d put vids of me up on the internet, like here. Gosh that’d be great, if I was an Archon.
The sky looks blue because the suns light rays reflect of the water on the earths surface.
erodinbladewin wrote:
Yes, and if these deities were real, or there were any kind of humans that were anything other than ‘mere’ it would be history – because that’s the word for stories that are actually true, as opposed to mythology, which is the word for stories that aren’t true.
You can’t be something from mythology, because if you were it would cease being mythology.
Especially when your powers cause someone to crap themselves.
And it’s orange at sunset because it reflects off a hamsters ass
erodinbladewin wrote:
I guess you must have noticed the colour of the sky at some point prior to inserting your head so firmly in your ass.
Keep getting sucked back in but
/headdesk
WEll if that’s the test, I’d say you two are at least part Archon XD
And the water looks blue because it reflects back!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Big failed my test by disregarding a well known fact >.>
Anywhoozie, im going back to MYTK. I did what i came here to do, prove that this place has as much BS as mytk does.
None of you happened to think of hugging me recently, have you o.o
Cipher wrote:
Heh. I was tempted to point out to erodinbladewin that we counted a few Greek speakers/scholars amongst us (though I couldn’t remember who they were), and that an attempted appeal to what he presumed was obscurity would almost certainly fail.
It’s almost as much fun as when Christians tell us no-one here knows anything about the bible.
I thought we had to trick you into saying niwedalbnidore?
Yeah… I sure did.
And you’re an archon.
That wasn’t hugging
erodinbladewin, you heard a crappy, trivial pop song that wasn’t even popular at its heyday (it peaked at #59 in the US chart, for fuck’s sake), and successfully guessed that you would never hear it again.
To take this as significant evidence of precognition is… somewhat flaky and gullible.
We have two competing hypotheses here:
1. You managed to predict a trivial, predictable course of events, and spun this into a conclusion of psychic powers because you wanted to have something special about you.
2. Precognition is real.
The second requires introducing a yet unproven concept. The first doesn’t. Why should we prefer the second as an explanation?
Lol and you think being scholars in information humanity has gathered makes you intelligent? Humanity has the least intelligence of any species in the universe.
Also, being a scholar in the greek language doesnt mean you were there when it all happened.
You all have put words in my mouth so many times today. I kept tellinng what i did and didnt believe. but no, apparently youre such good “scientists” you can possibly be acccurate about what i say better than i can … You argued against what you said i said, not what i said. Youre all so awesome. And trolls, by your own definition.
Yes
Really? The very least? Even ground squirrels?
You’re not doing your own species any favors. What was it again, the Jan-it-tors?
You are a fluke of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
Whether you hear it or not,
The universe is laughing behind your back
erodinbladewin couldn’t have predicted that he would fail to stick the flounce. I mean, come on, what do you expect? He’s not psychic.
We can now add “said” and “telling” to the list of words that errorblabwit either doesn’t understand the meaning of, or is too dishonest to properly use.
Oh, consciousness razor, now you are just putting words in his mouth.
Snowflake, yet science doesnt accurately describe or deal with instincts. Theres been more times ive predicted events with my instincts and manual precognition. As i said, that was my first one, and the one that got me to look into all this. I never once said its the only experience that i used to deduce this.
Yet more dishonest putting words in other people’s mouths. Who ever claimed that?
(Actually it doesn’t make you intelligent. It makes you informed. And being informed is superior to and preferable to being intelligent any day of the week. Though ideally one should strive to be both.
An uninformed but intelligent mind is a terribly dangerous thing.)
I think rather than Archon, he’s a Slaad…or a gibberingmouther
There are ENTIRE FIELDS of science dedicated to the study of instincts.
Another lie by the fapwit.
Squirrels are more intelligent than humans, because their instincts function correctly.
Blatantly untrue.
We can add “deduce” to the list of words that the erodingblatherwit does not understand, or is too dishonest to use properly.
Fields of study dedicated to a subject doesnt mean its actually understood or accurately described, or dealt with.
Clearly as a species we must spend more time licking nuts
True for humans like errorblagwit.
And the erodingblatherwurt knows this how? It can commune with squirrels? Telepathically presumably?
See now while your species is saying shit like this and squinting really hard to unravel TP…mine just walked over and wiped up the spill.
Doesnt matter, instincts is a much more complex and intelligent mental process.
Not my fault that you cant use it correctly, so you think its garbage. Like the people who think certain things in video hames suck because they cant use them as they were made to be used.
Oh, I get it now! Humanity is a fallen species and only people like supergenius have regained just a little bit of the lost abilities. The rest of us are too busy laughing at the true humans, or Archons, to fully develop.
Shit, just read your Greek myths. Or b-chan will descend upon us.
We can now add “deal”, “dealt with”, “mean”, and “its” to the list of words the erodingbalderwit either doesn’t understand or is too dishonest to use correctly.
video hames?
Did they kill the radio stare?
So what did Archons move before us stupid humans invented paper towels?
Yet MORE dishonest putting words in other peoples mouths. NO ONE claimed instincts were “garbage”, except of course, the fapwit errorblatherwop.
Utterly pathetic.
Errorblabwit, supergenius, must be looking for a place to bury his nuts.
We can also now add “is”, “a”, “much” and “so” to the list of words that the erogeblitherwort is too dishonest to use correctly.
He is using his instincts. As well as digging by only using his brain.
Well they could at least talk to squirrels and make people crap themselves, right? Or maybe it was making squirrels crap themselves. We never really found out who was going to provide that citation.
See I’d mock his squirrel powers…but I remember that Squirrel Girl beat up Doctor Doom so now I am legit afraid!
Well, Secret Squirrel was more on the ball than any of the humans he dealt with.
erodinbladewin:
:)
‘Tis your sooperpower; wherever you go has much BS as mytk does.
erodinbladewin wrote:
Oh, really? Google Scholar has 444,000 articles featuring the term ‘instinct’ – have you read all of them to determine that they aren’t accurate?
Yes, when you fail to account for confirmation bias, this may we be true; however, given that you didn’t know what confirmation bias was, we can safely assume you didn’t account for it, and therefore your data is invalid.
Nope, everywhere i go, except this plce so far, has gotten better over time.
MYTK is just taking longer because of the amount of members compared to that of other places.
erodinbladewin wrote:
Please cite your sources for definitions of ‘instinct’ and ‘intelligent’. Because the way you’re using both makes me suspect you don’t know what either word means.
Hey I predicted Timmy the Toilet Paper boy would return! My instincts must be improving. *grabs nuts*
MYTK sounds like a Nintendo DS game
We just haven’t been able to attract that coveted squirrel demographic.
Woo!
erodinbladewin wrote:
You find it surprising that a woo-infested crackpot circle-jerk isn’t that appealing to anyone who’s intellectually honest?
I was going to call him “Dances With Squirrels.”
Holy crap! I just realized that I predicted errorblabwits’ squirrel powers and instincts! LOL.
Quick! Fill up birdfeeders!
We can now add “better”, “gotten”, “time”, and “over” to the list of words that errorblapwit is too dishonest to correctly use.
Oh, this has been hilarious. I can’t wait to tell people that I interacted with the superpowered supergenius Archon erodinbladewin, Master of Instincts and 10th-level Towel Flapper…
I wonder if Archon personally knows Mr. Clean.
I found some squirrels doing the hustle while spending their seasons in the sun.
Yes. I did own the album. And the first one also.
This was on the first album.
I wonder what ever became of this band?
A propos:
Like a small grey
coffee-pot,
sits the squirrel.
He is not
all he should be,
kills by dozens
trees, and eats
his red-brown cousins.
The keeper on the
other hand,
who shot him, is
a Christian, and
loves his enemies,
which shows
the squirrel was not
one of those.
— Humbert Wolfe
http://wonderingminstrels.blogspot.ca/2001/04/grey-squirrel-humbert-wolfe.html
There is no reason why this statement would be true. It seems like you are trying to rationalize the weakness of your belief.
Unless the other events you predicted were significantly less trivial than the only example you provided, and unless you kept a record of predictions that would prevent failed predictions from being forgotten, that doesn’t really mean much.
But does that galaxy have paper towels?
Yawn, not even one citation from the proven liar and bullshitter. Proven by its own hand to lie and bullshit by not supplying evidence….
Rainbow farts
hello?
You left out “Phasing Swordsman”.
I mean this is all pretty obvious what is going here. Mr. Phasing Swordsman has gotten just a little bit too deep into his D&D or video game or fantasy novel or whatever escape from reality he uses. That’s all fine and good when you can still recognize what is fantasy and what is reality. erodinbladewin obviously has lost this ability. His grasp on reality is tenuous at best.
It really would be kind of sad if he wasn’t such a raging asshole to go along with it. Perhaps this started as some sort of coping mechanism and has just progressed into full fledged delusion. Now he’s so deep in he can’t see how detached from reality he is. He actually believes he’s some mythical creature he’s created in his mind called an Archon. That he has amazing mental janitorial powers along with telepathy.
He’s the kind of fool who thinks that the every day coincidences we all recognize actually mean he’s controlling things. I bet erodinbladewin thinks that because he sees 11:11 on the clock frequently that it is some sign of his power.
Selective recall, confirmation bias, delusions of grandeur, inflated ego, denial of reality, etc.. etc..
And to top it all off a giant asshole too.
Not a good mix.
hee hee!
@erodinbladewin:
There could be other explanations for your predictions, yes?
You ever read Gavin de Becker…?
I used to work bingos frequently when I was in fundraising.
The only call I was ever conscious of hearing was ‘O-69’.
My last comment here, since you “inevitables” dont know what the words “correct” and “inevitable” mean.
Redhead, i have only proven i have not given evidence or proof. You ASSUMED im a liar and a bullshitter because you just cant get it in your head to not form any conclusion about my claims at all until you have sufficient evidence for or against them. Science doesnt tell you be an assumptive ass when someone doesnt want to give you proof because your attitude sucks. It tells you to not believe something until evidence is given to support a claim. By that note of logic, you shouldnt disbelieve it unelss you have evidence against it. Im sorry, scientists have no right to dictate the concept of fact.
The entirety of your arguments, outside the bias and instincts subjects, has been stuff you said i said, but didnt say. I never once told you to believe me, i told you to explore the claims on your own. I never once expected you to believe my claims because i made a statement about the circumstances, and how they are evidence that supports my claims. I never said to not follow your scientific processes to test the claims.
Its funny that sceince has produced so many experiments that “make the existence of these abilities highly improbable” when i deal with this stuff daily. Science isnt as adequate as you think.
But he is willing to withhold information in order to make you look silly. Or so he keeps telling himself.
Alright, for the purpose of giving you all a shot at learning, ill reply once more.
Im not witholding info to make him look silly, im witholding it because your attitudes sucked. Im not going to bother giving world changing evidence to people who have such thinking errors. Listen, i understand the need for evidence for a claim to be considered true, but if none is given, dont consider it false.
When i find a group of “scientists” that actually has their heads on straight. ill give them proof.
you all follow what you believe is logic. So what if its been evidenced via scientific method, you dont know the whole story. Its what you dont know that makes your “logic” so laughable. Ive noticed people like you have the habit of calling others stupid when they present a differing opinion from yours, without providing evidence. Assumptions and more assumptions, about how something should be done to be mature thinkers. Is that the best you have?
You would make a lousy teacher. That is, if you actually had anything to teach.
Blow it out your ass, bliss ninny.
Actually, you proved yourself to be a lair aand bullshitter. If you could or would provide evidence, fine. If you can’t or won’t you needed to shut the fuck up. Which leaves those who tacitly acknowledge their lies and bullshit by not showing evidence, and not shutting the fuck up. You acknowledged your lying and bullshitting with your behavior. And we both know you know you were lying and bullshitting.
Your delusional take on the matter. You didn’t show any evidence because you didn’t have any. We both know that. Your lies are obvious.
The evidence against you is historical, and makes the NULL HYPOTHESIS (starting point) that psychic abilities don’t exist. For your claim to be accepted, you must supply evidence, or you need to shut the fuck up without the evidence being presented. And science, unlike you, does control facts. Show otherwise by citing a source showing you are right…
*POOF* Unevidenced OPINION, dismissed as bullshit. Try citing something other than your lies and bullshit.
How about you make me crap my pants? You won’t have to cite any real experiments or worry about any of our vague “thinking errors.” Go ahead. It should be easy enough to do, and it’s not too much of a request since you’ve already bothered to concern yourself with lesser human beings like us.
Redhead, if im lying and bullshitting, why have i proven this to others? Quote your need for citations all you want, all that does is show you wish to attack my claims, not debate them. I do have evidence to show you. If youd quit being an ass id be glad to help you explore this stuff. Stop being an ass, then well work on evidence.Until then, my answer is the same, no matter how many other people you dazzle with your fancy wording.
You want evidence of my reasoning for not proving my abilities to some people, but doing so with others? Why dont you go to MYTK and ask them about my requirements to get evidence from me. Then ask the people in my IM lists what ive proven to them.
Listen up assholes! You have to work to disprove my vague bullshit! Otherwise, you just are not true scientists!
Also, bliss ninny, Nerd Of Redhead is not Redhead. Redhead is his wife.
Too bad you are not able to just know this. Or did you miss it when I teased you about Nerd being bald.
Twelve minutes? That has to be a new record! (and a bonus re-lapse of only 14 to follow).
It could be that they’re credulous idiots just like you, who fall for lying and bullshitting.
Why do I need to slog through some website full of cranks to search for your evidence? Just give it to us, if you can do that, O powerful one. Or get some of your buddies to comment here and give their testimonials. If they give a fuck about you and believe any of your nonsense, they might be willing to do that.
Apparently you missed the part where i shortened the name to Redhead. i havent even attempted to discern any believed differences in identities of the users here.
There is no disporving my claims, because they are true. Im sorry your “science” says you cant think like a mature adult, but you have to adopt a “mine mine MINE” attitude when it comes to what is acceptable and not acceptable to consider. Listen, you dont run shit, you dont dictate shit, get off your high horses. The scientific method was made to rule out bias and eliminate as many errors inexperiments as they could. It wasnt mean to turn people into assholes. If any of you are in fact scientists, you disgrace your fields with your poor attitudes, and completely misunderstanding the scientific method.
Unevidenced assertion, *POOF* dismissed as bullshit. You must provide third party evidence to back up every claim you make, or you continue lying and bullshitting…Welcome to real science, done by real scientists and skeptics…
Bliss ninny, please note that I have shortened your moniker to “dew”.
Redhead, your version of “science” is a joke. Expecting evidence is one thing, but completely dismissing a claim because theres no evidence to support it is … wait … something mentally handicapped people do. Stop being retarded.
Your version of science says theres no such thing as precognition, yet ive done it so many times for situations ranging to mundane to complex. I have the proof of it, and im laughing at you since youre so adamant to dismiss this stuff since i wont give you evidence. This is funny. Stop being an assumptive ass and you might get somewhere with me. You want evidence, i told you how to act.
Dew, you are truly one of the most fucking self deluded jackasses to have taken a shit in the middle of this blog.
And fucking stop using “retarded” as as insult.
In fact, delete this blog from your memory.
This sort of shit is not acceptable. Go fuck yourself.
Continuing with the dishonest and misleading use of the useless concepts of “proof” and “truth”, I see.
Lying fapwit continues to lie.
Surprise surprise.
is… wait… EXACTLY THE SAME AS EXPECTING EVIDENCE.
More pitiful lying from the lying fapwit.
Fapfap.
Consciousness razor, did you know that Dew is able to fuck himself with his brain?
Then he needs to stop acting that way.
That would require the fapwit to actually HAVE a working memory.
And it clearly has already provided ample “proof” that it doesn’t.
Perhaps the part of its mutant brain that does the TKing are repurposed hippocampi.
You are a liar and bullshitter until you prove otherwise. You don’t understand the NULL HYPOTHESIS, showing your ignorance and lack of intelligence. Psychics are frauds according the Amazing Randi (a magician), and failure to lose his million dollar challenge over twenty years shows that to be the truth, and null hypothesis, until somebody provides evidence otherwise. Who will the lurkers believe knows science and how it is done better? A thirty-five year practioner of science and skepticism, or a proven liar and bullshitter who backs up nothing with citations to the literature? You lose any argument from authority. You lose any argument from “truth”. You lose until you provide evidence to show yourself correct. And to quote Sgt. Schultz, “I see nothing”.
To claim to have evidence (or “proof”) but to refuse to actually provide any of it when asked, is definitive “proof” of a LIAR.
No further consideration of any kind need be given.
Doubtless the fapwit will take this quote to another blog and claim to have “proof” that it can turn itself invisible.
Hey liar and bullshitter, prove yourself right and win a million dollars HERE. One way to put up the evidence. Or, if you are more of a chicken than the Pullet Patrol™, shut the fuck up…
Nerd, I am just a little bit scared of the steely gaze of the Pullet Patrol™. I am guess that the paper towel moving gaze of Dew will just make me giggle.
Lol so theres literature about me using my abilities? Im part of the ever elusive 1% of practitioners who can get visible physical results. So, unless you act a little more mature towards me, i wont give you evidence. Im not the one suffering a detriment by not giving you evidence, you all are. Its you who wants the evidence that i “may or may not have.” Im gonna wave it in front of your faces until you treat me in a more respectful and mature manner.
I know how science works, and im not saying i want you to believe me without evidence. I am telling you that your scientific method will never give you the whole story, and youll have to take the risk of being laughed out of your lab, even if you have video proof of tk in an air/sound, etc proof chamber. theres always some “logical” way to debunk this stuff. James Randi hasnt lost his million dollars because he only lets people on the show he doesnt deem a threat to his 20 year long “success” run. You know nothing of how JREF works. You keep asking for citations of my claims, but when will you ask James Randi for citations that evidence that he has not refused to have legit people on his show?
Any self-respecting fool with TP and TK powers would know that it can simply remotely rearrange the neurons in NofR’s brain to make Nerd agree with it.
Each and every post of Nerd’s that does NOT agree with it, is, therefore “proof” that it is lying.
More evasive fapping from the fapwit liar.
*Yawn*
Me fail english. That’s unpossible.
TK isnt done with the mind, its done with Ki. the whole of your mind is not contained in the physical brain matter.
You are dealing with the deep shit, Dew.
yeah, cause im gonna mess with someones mind because i can. thats just as immoral as a politician using flashy words to get votes.
If he wants evidence, lets see him act more mature. if he really is a senior scientist where he works, hed be a much more valuable asset than a scholar for the greek language, or half wits who dont have the intelligence to even come up with a decently flashy counter argument. At least redhead has given a reason not to believe what i say that is outside some perceived right of entitlement.
Dew is lying in his own shit and thinks this makes him the wise man sitting on a mountain top.
Unevidenced assertion *POOF*, dismissed as lies and bullshit.
Gee, you sound awful immature to me. Play the game by my rules or I’ll hold my breath and turn blue. Lets see you be mature and present your evidence, or shut the fuck up. And we aren’t missing anything, as it doesn’t exist.
No you don’t. Science does this: “This is what I believe, and this is the evidence (link) to back it up”. Science leads with evidence, they don’t hide it behind immature attitudes and bogus claims.
Unevidence OPINION *POOF* claim dismissed as a lie and bullshit. Welcome what you have sown. You tell lies, and everybody knows that except you…
Unevidence OPINION from a liar and bullshitter *POOF* dismissed. And I have read Randi explaining how he knows people cheat in Skeptical Inquirer. Which is why magicians were needed to debunk psychics. All trickery known to magicians. Hence the NULL HYPOTHESIS, known to all practicioners of science, is non-existence of psychic phenomena.
erodinbladewin:
You do realise how toddler-like this sounds, right? Kinda has a “I’ve got a cookie and you haven’t, neener-neener” taunting ring to it.
If you were truly possessing of these talents, why wouldn’t you want them studied properly?
No. He wants us to grovel at his Archon feet.
Really, really tiresome shit. You think you can wander in here and claim to have abilities which, if conclusively demonstrated, would overthrow physics as we know it, and refuse to offer a shred of evidence to anyone outside of your crappy club for jerks, and expect anyone to believe you?
And you have the fucking gall to insist that real scientists would do anything less than demand convincing evidence?
No one here is making any fantastic claims. You are. And since fantastic claims are a dime a dozen, it’s up to you to distinguish yourself from the cranks. Like the patent office requires a working model before issuing a patent for a perpetual motion machine, you need to provide tangible evidence for your claims.
We are not required to believe every claim until we prove it false.
You’re trying to write a million-dollar check on an empty bank account. No handful of unnamed acquaintances vouching for your trustworthiness will get us to cash that check.
Show us the money or show us your backside.
Redhead claims my claims HAVE TO BE FALSE if i dont present evidence *poof* dismissed as bullshit, because he hasnt cited some law of the universe that makes that true. Ive agreed many times, that you yould not believe something is not real without evidence. But, ive also said dont disbelieve it without evidence. All youve said is “you havent proven it cause its not real” which is more bullshit since youve cited no sources. When i throw your excuses back at you, im all the audden a troll. Redhead, maybe talk to me like an adult for a bit and ill help you. I dont give a flying fuck if someone with a scientist position in a company thinks hes at no detriment by not being the first to have undeniable documentation of TK. Guess what, youre ignorant. You think machines can detect physic capability? Nope. they cant. Brainwaves present when using something like telepathy arent detectable on MRI. If a certain hospital records sound, and has my MRI record, you will see evidence of that claim. evidence you wont take as evidence because youll call it cognitive bias. No matter how many times i give evidence of my precognition, youll call it cognitive bias. Science tries to explain away supernatural phenonemon by DEFAULT. Because it is, on average, NOT MEASUREABLE, DETECTABLE, OR IN ANY WAY SHOWABLE WITH THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD.
Not so good to shove that shit in my face now, is it?
EKG not MRI, sorry.
Yet more lies and evasions from the fapwit errorblab.
It is also rather amusing to watch it attempt its cargo cult insulting, and fail so spectacularly.
As amusing as watching it continue to waste its time on this blog rather than going out and earning fame and fortune(or just helping someone somewhere) with its superhuman powers.
Feral im going to disregard the majority of your post, because you once again put words in my mouth. Read my comments and find the response to your claims of what i think.
It wouldnt overthrow physics dude. When you said that, you sounded just like the real bullshitters in MYTK. Physical abilities obey physics of the physical, like abilities in other dimensions follow that dimensions physics. Its about manipulating physics with your bodily presence. Mental abilities only work on the mind. You think physical abilities have a serious standard for evidence? Mental abilities have absolutely no such thing as evidence. the best you can get is seriously similiar experiences that look like seriouss coincidences that happen alot.
TK moves objects the same way air or earth does, force, indirect or direct. Its just done with Ki
*rolls eyes*
Oh, c’mon…
Without a physical demonstration of your apparent TK abilities, I can’t think of anyone – capable of critical thinking – who’d just believe you outright. Things just don’t work that way (especially on a science site), y’know?
Quirky, if youd take the time to read my comments, youll see ive said, at least 3 times, i dont expect people to believe me without evidence. They shouldnt disbelieve me either.
The people James Randi proved fake were fake. He hasnt had anyone whos actually legit on his show. Good luck proving someone fake, when they actually do TK when they do it on an object inside an airtight and soundproof room, and the person is on the outside of the room.
I dont instruct others on these abilities when they act like you all do. i teach mature people. I dont have the desire to teach people who dont even have an attitude desirable within the communities. Read the first part of this comment before you respond.
You do realize how utterly desperate and stupid this line of though is?
Right?
Oh, sometimes quirky, Dew seems to think that you are receptive to his rarified Archon wisdom.
Be very careful.
Dump, you dont realize how true that line of thought it. He wont put anyone legit on the stage. If he would, quite a few of my friends and others ive seen would have been on the show. heck id have won the million dollars if i had been on the show.
Dew is being oppressed by da man!
And da chimp!
Liar and bullshitter, unevidenced claim (and I take Randi’s word over yours every day of the week), so *POOF*, dismissed as bullshit.
Actually, yes they should. NULL HYPOTHESIS of non-existence of psychic abilities. We don’t believe you UNTIL you show evidence. I still see nothing.
Unevidenced claim, *POOF*, dismissed as lying and bullshitting due to lack of evidence. A clear pattern has developed. No evidence (links for claims) means the claim is bullshit dear lurkers.
Well, that leaves you out immature proven liar and bullshitter. It’s the old gambit, show me the dough, and I will con you…
Why read any of it? Nothing but lies, bullshit, and attitude. Not one shred of evidence. One would think you don’t have any….
Well, off for a few hours to visit a relative.
No one ever has had anyone on stage that was legit. Because there are no legit practitioners of your nonsense.
If there are
prove
me
wrong
Oh no, that part is quite literally true.
I’m also willing to bet he never will, because legit oogaboogists don’t exist.
Haha, youll get the evidence when you treat me with respect.
typical dodge.
You earn respect you don’t automatically receive it.
you’ve done nothing to earn any respect.
Then respect me anyway. be the bigger man, respect this immature troll (sarcasm) so hell give you the evidence.
Dew, you have fucking earned this lack of respect.
You are just too stupid to realize it.
Janine: History’s Greatest Monster:
Eeep!
Well, that wasn’t intentional. Lemme try again: “No-one with a brain is capable of believing in anything that has no evidence to back it up.”
Guess it didn’t come across quite right the last time.
Why is it always idiot trolls who even lack the respect to spell properly who insists on getting respect?
(And no, I won’t bite on it’s bait – since it has clearly shown that it doesn’t even know what the word means – which makes it highly unlikely that it has got the goods).
No person in the entire world who has ever claimed to be able to move something with their mind has been able to do so when tested.
Another way to say that is that every single instance of supposed telekinesis, ever, has been proven to be false. That’s a pretty big mountain of evidence you have to climb over if you want to prove the opposite.
making a few typoes and not using words in the retarded fashion you do means i likely dont have the evidence i claim to have. MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW.
I make a few grammatical mistakes so i likely dont have the evidence? Man, no wonder you all are laughed at by anyone with common sense.
Fuckface! Stop using “retarded” as an insult!
Drown in a cesspool, you sack of shit.
I respect you. Really. And your million-dollar check is in the mail. I can haz evidences now?