I wanted to get some opinions on this topic. Please watch video and comment if you believe it or not. This is what your government has been up to: surveillance, harassment, and mind torture. Remote neural monitoring is based on the “interference pattern” created when different frequency microwaves are sent to the head and can detect your thoughts and emotional state. V2k or voice to skull is when microwaves are directed to the head which causes the “thermal elastic expansion of brain tissue that transmits an acoustic pressure sound wave to the cochlea. Once the cochlea receptors are stimulated the sound is perceived as normal hearing”. [John Hall] This is known as the hearing effect. The department of defense has been hiring subcontractors to experiment on random citizens in order to accumulate data on how this technology can be used to destroy the lives of enemy combatants.
Seriously, I don’t need to watch 2 hours 24 minutes of woo.
Thanks for the breakdown. You are not a believer. Ok. Why?
Basic diligence.
The claims are, um, extraordinary.
I Googled Leonid “Len” Ber, only sites linking to that name are wooish.
Havana Syndrome has been most thoroughly studied; his name never comes up.
Etc.
“Remote neural monitoring is based on the “interference pattern” created when different frequency microwaves are sent to the head and can detect your thoughts and emotional state.”
Perhaps tinfoil could ameliorate that, um, remote thought and emotion detection?
I mean, come on!
You write “different frequency microwaves are sent to the head and can detect your thoughts and emotional state”.
The idea of microwaves “detecting” anything is nonsense. “detection” requires a detector, and electromagnetic radiation isn’t. If we charitably insert the words “enable an external system to” after the word “can”, it’s still nonsense, because that requires something in the brain to transmit some kind of signal. Brains are not radios, nor can external radiation trigger a transmission.
The whole idea is pure woo.
I think our knowledge is not advanced enough to make any assessment at all, so we must rely on the testimony and shared symptomatology of the victims. The brain does not need to be a radio. I will address this in the next post.
Actually, our knowledge of microwaves and brain function is PLENTY advanced enough to see through all the nonsensical claims about “neural monitoring” and “mind-control” — the latter being a very old and threadbare SF-horror trope that shows even less hope of becoming reality than when it was first imagined. And as for the “shared symptomatology of the victims,” I have yet to hear any evidence that any victims’ minds were either monitored or controlled — just badly and cruelly damaged.
How are you supposed to transmit a microwave signal fast enough to create signals that could be decoded as voice in someone’s head, without anyone noticing the transmitter? And how would it cope when they move their head?
Brain activity is pretty low noise, normal ECG is like 1mV. There’s a reason they have to stick sensors to your skull. Remote detection via some sort of interference pattern would require some seriously beefy sensors, and the amount of noise from the rest of the environment would make it hard to spot a single person. Plus microwaves have a wavelength significantly longer than the size of a neuron
All this is before you get into the problem of interpreting brain activity. It’s really hard to link it to anything in detail
At the risk of agreeing with John above, it’s a load of BS
The government is monitoring you via internet activity, they’re not reading your brain
Thanks for your comment. I hope to address this in the next post.
Sorry, don’t have the time to watch a 2 hour video with a bunch of people rambling on aimlessly. Only listened to a few excerpts.
Claims without evidence, terms like “mind viruses” are mentioned then the speakers start talking about Q-Anon, project HARP, project Blue Beam, UFOs, heard it all before.
This is nothing more than the usual Youtube conspiracy mongering, might as well talk about flat earth or the faked moon landing.
If someone wants me to engage with the claims, put them in writing. Ideally with some documented experiments, data and a few calculations about how that stuff is actually supposed to work. It’s easy to sit in front of a camera an make claims.
Do you really think these individuals are disingenuous? How do they benefit from whatever “conspiracy mongering” means?
Okay, I got 30 minutes in before I had to stop.
No. I do not believe this. It is continually raising red flags.
First, neither of the people being interviewed established that they were experts in neurology. Len, was trained as an endocrinologist in the USSR, but left in 1993, never received a US medical certification and apparently worked for a pharma company in some unnamed capacity. The other fellow, Duncan, who has written a book about it, claims to have worked in a couple dozen jobs in top secret areas of the government, especially DARPA. Now one thing I’ve learned about people who move jobs a lot is that they are either interested in their career more than their position, not interested in any of the jobs, or have shown themselves not capable of doing the job to their managers. Particularly in the government sector you can get a screwball who bounces like a ping-pong ball between divisions as they can talk well enough to get into a position, but are found to be disruptive, for various reasons. One reason is because they believe in screwball conspiracy theories. Duncan really strikes me as one of those screwballs. I don’t doubt that he worked for some government agencies, and maybe even DARPA, but I doubt that he came anywhere close to the type research he is describing here.
So, let’s look at some of the claims. First, Len got intermittent tinnitus, which is not all that uncommon, and has apparently been diagnosed with a degenerative brain disease. Which also does occur without the government microwaving his brain. The tinnitus occasionally seems to manifest as voices, which is also a phenomenon found in a minority of people with tinnitus, but this phenomena has been documented in people with tinnitus long before microwaves were able to be produced by mankind. Nothing in Len’s symptoms has been shown to be beyond of well known phenomena.
Then there is the claim that the government can use a long-range MRI to scan all brains with microwaves and record a unique signature for every brain. What? Do these guys have any idea how MRI works? Do they even know what the “M” and “R” stand for in MRI? Okay, maybe they are just trying to explain the technology in a way which makes sense to the interviewer. (Although, they regularly said that the details are really complex, which is another sign that they may not know what they are talking about.)
Then there is the claim that by using microwaves (or sonic waves) the government can cause the bones of the skull to expand and contract thermally to generate sound. Okay, let’s say that what they are really trying to suggest that it is possible to focus sonic waves on the malleus, incus, and/or eardrum to generate received sounds in an individual without the usual propagation of sound waves through the air. I can see that as an interesting idea to explore, but entirely impractical as whatever device is being used to generate these sonic waves would have to have a very tight focus on those very small bones, to the point where minor movements of the head would disrupt the ability to transmit the sound this way. As for microwaves doing this through thermal affects? I don’t think that would be possible just from the physics of thermal transfer, not even considering the need to focus a microwave so tightly.
Then there are numerous statements about patents. Go look at the patents says Duncan. Well, one very important thing about patents is that you can get a patent for an idea without proving that it works. There are patents for perpetual motion machines. A patent protects an idea, it gives no assurance that the idea reflects a possible reality.
Then the claims that this is the cause of the Havana Syndrome. No evidence to back up that claim, only that they can shoehorn the symptoms reported for the Havana Syndrome into this claim. This does not mean that the Havana Syndrome couldn’t be caused by microwaves, but none of the claims from the Havana Syndrome reports include things like mind control or Manchurian candidates. A huge red flag in quackery is that the proposed cause of a medical problem explains a lot of poorly understood and/or minor uncomfortable conditions and symptoms. They are claiming government mind-control microwaves are causing head-aches, hearing voices, tinnitus, brain degeneration, as well as activating dopamine receptors. I didn’t listen to the whole thing, but I can predict that cancer and incontinence are probably mentioned later on.
Then there is the claim that by using this microwave tool, capable of identifying and manipulating any specific mind the users want, can target the brain tightly enough to flood it with dopamine. Incapacitating enemy troops with ecstasy. Say what? Again, we would be talking about exciting a specific part of the brain in a specific manner in a moving target. That’s not possible with today’s technology. If it was possible forget about military applications, or testing on random people, the medical therapeutic implications alone would change the world.
Which leads to the conspiracy/coverup. I didn’t really get that far, but we are supposed to believe that technology developed in the last 40 years or so has been so successfully covered up that it takes a genius like Duncan to put all the pieces together from the small bits which have escaped censorship. The pieces which correlate multiple, independent, medical conditions (which pre-date microwave or sonic technology) as well as rumors of ultra-tech weapons development, to generate an explanation which defies what we know about medicine and physics.
That’s not even getting beyond the first 20 minutes. Mr. Morales list of chapter headings shows additional common conspiracy theory topics like Resonant DNA (not a thing), and of course we have to include Nazi science! It wouldn’t be a mature conspiracy theory without the claim that the Nazi’s did it first. I didn’t even listen to that section, but I can anticipate the claim. I admit, I could be wrong, maybe the section says that the Nazi’s didn’t do any research in this area. But I doubt it.
They are making some extraordinary claims, and their evidence (at least that presented in the first 20 minutes) is attributing long-documented medical conditions to technology developed after these conditions were first described. The remainder of the evidence is hearsay. Rejected for insufficient evidence.
Your first point that Duncan is a “screwball” is just a putdown that serves little to no purpose. Duncan strikes me as an educated and concerned individual for victims of the department of defense’s mind control experimentation. I don’t think we can say that he is incompetent or disingenuous. As far as the rest of your comments, I simply do not agree. I will address this in a post very soon.
Careful reading would show that I did not call Duncan a “screwball”, only that he uses as evidence for his expertise the fact that he worked in a number of positions in a fairly short time period. The claims that he worked in so many areas are his, not mine, from the video. I suggested that many of the people whom I’ve come in contact with who have had similar rapid changes in work experiences have been screwballs. You were asking for reasons to be skeptical of this video, and that’s one reason.
We cannot clearly say from this video that Duncan is incompetent or disingenuous. But at the same time we cannot say from this video that Duncan is competent or has the knowledge/experience to back up these extraordinary claims.
But, since you bring this question up, Robert Duncan is a hard person to find on the internet, aside from the recent book, AM Late night radio tour promoting the book, and the podcast you reference. On the AM late night radio site I found he is listed as, being “investigator, author, and soon be movie producer on the topics of directed energy, neurological weapons, psychological, and information warfare”. He is not listed as a neurologist, scientist, or a medical doctor in any way.
The claims by Robert Duncan have been already investigated by the Australian Associated Press in this fact-check:
https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/theres-no-evidence-mind-control-led-iraqi-troops-to-surrender-in-the-gulf-war/
Assuming this is the same Robert Duncan, He apparently once had a website claiming multiple degrees, from Harvard and Dartmouth, and on another defunct site listed the following degrees: A.B., S.M., M.B.A., Ph.D. There is no detail of what these degrees are in, other than general statements of computer science with a minor in pre-med. Then some sort of degrees in business and “science”. There is some suggestion that the Master’s Degree from Harvard once shown on his website was fraudulent based on a 2015 analysis.
So, looking further into Duncan’s credentials, I have become even more skeptical that the claims have any merit.
However, I look forward to your upcoming post.
Thanks for the follow up comment. Even if what you claim is true (how Duncan cleverly and self-servingly frames his background), advanced degrees are not required to understand mechanisms. And the understanding of relevant mechanisms are not required to piece together the source of a shared symptomatology. I will explain in the upcoming post. I am trying to do as much research as possible because mind control is an extraordinary claim for many. Actually, I can’t understand why it is considering the DoD has been interested in mind control and experimenting on the general population for decades, e.g., LSD.
I do not wish to seem unwilling to evaluate the claims based on the evidence, and I am looking forward to the evidence you are planning to present. I agree that advanced degrees are not necessary for understanding, but at the same time an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence. Finding that the author of those claims has not demonstrated knowledge in those areas sufficiently to convince other experts does not make the claims wrong, but it does raise the bar a bit. Experts are not always right, but they are more often right than wrong.
Based what little I know about neural plasticity the possibility of reading a brain and determining what the subject is thinking about is extraordinary. The possibility of manipulating a brain to generate a specific response is not quite as extraordinary, but doing so through microwave manipulation to make the subject think they are hearing voices is. At the present state of knowledge, I might be able to believe that something like the Woody Allen’s Orgasmatron from his movie Sleeper was possible, after all, that could be explained through drugs on the surface of those orbs, but that’s about as far as I would care to walk that path based on the evidence I’m aware of.
That being said, I am certain that the DoD is funding such research. The DoD is well known for funding long-shot research for two reasons. One, in the hope that one of the million-to-one ideas does generate something useful, even if it isn’t the result the originators thought it would be. Two, because through selected leaks they can suggest that other countries should be waste their resources on similar unproductive research.
While that idea sounds far-fetched, it’s not unreasonable. If the DoD, or other government agencies, spends ten years funding research which eventually yields nothing (See Targ and Puthoff on ESP trainers), one way to re-coup that investment is to leak the idea that the DoD was funding such research and was finding positive results. This will encourage other countries to invest in things like ‘distance-seeing’ or ‘ESP’ for fear of the USA getting an advantage. Which diverts funding from things like nuclear missiles. Certainly, the USSR was doing the same thing to the USA, and the USA DoD fell for some doozies.
Like others here have indicated, at the moment this claim doesn’t pass the smell test. But we are interested in the evidence and arguments you are planning on providing.
OMFG, someone actually claimed “mind-control” “forced” Iraqi troops to surrender to US invaders? That’s just plain laughable. Iraqi troops were mostly draftees, poorly equipped and trained, with zero morale and no incentive to fight for Saddam Hussein or his two brats; and it was obvious to everyone from before the get-go that they’d never be a match for US troops. Hell, I remember hearing about Iraqi troops — still wearing the dancing-shoes they’d been drafted in because they couldn’t even get a pair of boots — going out of their way to surrender to Italian journalists before US troops even came in sight.
Seriously, who really made up that “mind-control” story — The Iraqi Information Minister? “Our unbeatable army was on the verge of driving out all infidel invaders, praise Allah, but the evil CIA used microwave mind-control to make all our brave soldiers surrender!”
What the AF is “resonant DNA” anyway? How are the atoms in a DNA molecule more “resonant” than the atoms in water, mitochondria, cell membranes, or even messenger-RNA? We’re talking about microwaves here, which is electromagnetic radiation, interacting with atoms that contain electrically-charged particles. And there’s nothing at all special about the atoms in DNA molecules — DNA isn’t made of fairy-dust or “philosophic mercury.” This sounds like a bit of essentialist/magical thinking about DNA.
Please see my upcoming post. I am not sure if I will discuss this topic because there just isn’t enough information on it. But DNA does have a resonant frequency as all entities do.
Didn’t listen to the entire thing but I sampled some bits, they were run of the mill garbage. Lots of conspiracy thinking, nothing can be random, everything has to be planned by some conspiracy. There are a few good points brought up but they are bits scattered in the mud. The one guy has a point about how it’s easier to get funding for dual use technology and how the military uses this to hide that they are funding some projects.
The whole things has the usual global conspiracy problem. If there was actually a global conspiracy with remote tracking of people, mind control and mind controlled assassins, how are they freely talking about it?
There is a bit in Working for DARPA & CIA complaining about skeptics that misses the point. He doesn’t grasp why people are skeptics and wants people to take his word for it. That people might want actual proof is something he ignores. Same thing in the Conspiracy theories section, where somehow people listening to random conspiracy theories on the internet are supposed to know his are right and the rest are wrong.
The Mind Virus section talking about how Q was funny in how they grasped that QAnon is a group of people reading too much into posts by Q and then attribute it to some sort of psychological operation by some military. Apparently not quite grasping how they are reading too much into QAnon.
The Microwave energy weapon bit vastly overstates how precisely they could work. The military likely is looking at microwave weapons but the idea of reading and manipulating people’s minds over significant distance is absurd.
DNA Resonant frequencies is just garbage. Yes DNA would have an electromagnetic resonate frequency, no it isn’t of any use. There is to much interference from the cell and background radiation to do anything with it.
I am a believer because I know people who are experiencing remote neural monitoring and directed energy attacks. The evidence for both occurring in about 10,000 people world wide is quite strong. I doubt if any of us has the background to validate or contradict what these two are claiming. So we should look at the testimony and shared symptomatology of the victims and defer to the non-medical experts. As far as the concept of conspiracy theory, I find this to be an unhelpful term that discourages analysis.
“Directed energy attacks,” yes. But as several comments above seem to clearly show, there’s no evidence at all for “remote neural monitoring.” Those are two very different things, and they should not be conflated.
I agree that they should not be conflated. I will better explain in the upcoming post why although the government is denying the existence of remote neural monitoring, there is good reason to believe that it exists.
logic aside, there’s an emotional sense of what is true or untrue that is founded in a synthesis of received cultural information – including scientific data that we absorb from education and media – and practical observation of how the world works around us and in our own lives.
this kind of thing doesn’t even come close to passing the sniff test that emotional sense provides. i can distrust the cia and know there are sheisty people up to no good in the world without also believing they have sci fi powers beyond anything musk could dream up over a thousand tortured test primate corpses.
Hey Great American Satan! I am not in agreement with you. I will do a post to address this.
First, a big thank-you to all the preceding commenters who slogged through all that rubbish so I wouldn’t have to, and debunked the lot of it more knowledgeably than I could.
Second, regarding this sentence:
Remote neural monitoring is based on the “interference pattern” created when different frequency microwaves are sent to the head and can detect your thoughts and emotional state.
As I’ve said elsewhere on FTB, in order to “read someone’s mind,” we’d have to know the “machine language” of an organic brain, in order to translate whatever neuro-electric activity we might detect into whatever actual thoughts, feelings or other information it’s expressing. And of course the same is true of actual mind CONTROL: we’d have to know exactly which neuro-electric signals translate to “KILL YOUR BOSS” if we want to make someone kill their boss.
(I remember reading many years ago about some private corporations working on some alleged creepy/fanciful means of monitoring employees’ emotional states while they were at their desks, to make sure they were always thinking about work-related matters and not, say, sex or personal thoughts or hating their bosses. The idea was to find a means of detecting neuro-electric emissions from employees’ brains, and at least distinguishing “rational” thinking from emotions, and thus determining who was more “focused” on work. I’m pretty sure nothing came of that, since AFAIK no one’s come forward to say “OMG how did they know I was thinking about killing my boss?!!”)
As for Havana Syndrome, yes, that’s very real, and a major problem; but that’s not about anything so precise as mind-reading — it’s nothing but a very crude and cruel weapon causing harmful, permanent disruption of brain function, and agonizing degradation of physiological processes, often leading to death. I’m not surprised these wankers used it in their conspiracy theory, but it’s just lame and disgraceful. Fuck these guys.
Thanks for your comment. I am not in agreement with your assessment with the exception of your last point on Havana Syndrome.
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May I say I do appreciate you consider commenters’ points, musing.
I was half-wondering whether you would bury my comment (I get the need for preview-moderation) because it was antipathetic to your expectation, but your response has reassured me.
Kudos. Seriously.
John, I’m sorry for the delay. I was thinking about doing a separate post for this, but I will reply shortly to your comment and others too.
Around 18:40 he’s talking about “(functional) MRI that you can do at a distance”.
That is complete and utter nonsense.
First, for MRI to work properly you have to be in a *really* homogeneous magnetic field. Basically you have to be inside a single magnet coil or in between two closely spaced magnet coils (a so-called “open” system) to achieve that. The latter is much less sensitive, which is why you don’t see them as much.
Second, the signal receiver coils have to be *very* close to your body; the useable reception distance is only 50-75% of the coil diameter. This is why the trend is towards many small coils; better signal/noise ratio. See: https://mriquestions.com/receive-only-coils.html
Third, so called “functional” MRI can only show areas of increased brain activity by proxy via changes in blood flow. See e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_magnetic_resonance_imaging