… Is this supposed to be the ballyhooed post that was gonna get you lots of flak?I am disappointed at the lack of inflammatory content herein.… just teasing. Hell, I’d wear a niqab if it would hide the the farking acne playing Conqueror over my cheeks.
RdeGsays
True; they could be quite practical in Seattle winter weather. Especially if made from a water-resistant fabric.
A friend of mine, as an anthropology project, wore the hijab for an entire month last fall. In rural, conservative Western New York. Oh, and during a short trip to Ohio as well. http://fatimasblessing.blogspo…That’s the blog she made to document the whole project. It was pretty freaking awesome. Some people asked if she had a bomb under it, and TONS of people asked her friends and roommates if she had converted to Islam (not a single one asked her in person).She actually grew rather attached to the hijab by the end of her project. Partially because the weather Western New York in October and November is horrendous and she was a lot more comfortable with the head scarf on than anyone else was without it!
Charonsays
Outdoor Research makes the waterproof “Seattle sombrero”… not sure the “Seattle hijab” would catch on, but you could suggest it to them :)
Alicesays
You would also look like a ninja.
Guestsays
The cellphone thing is a pretty common sight in my neighbourhood. Also a great way to get around distracted driving laws. And you know those days when you role out of bed late and decide it is going to have to be a hat day? Every day is a hat day when you are wearing a head covering. Ultimate grad student laziness/lack of time.
Do please take them off when driving, they impair peripheral vision and hearing a fair bit. I’ve been rear ended by someone wearing one (admittedly back in my home country where everyone is a terrible driver)
Jordannasays
I do find this idea quite interesting- I mean, we usually cover our belly buttons in America and us women almost always have to cover our breasts. It’s generally purely for modesty’s sake (at least in the warmer times of the year). If you divide the modesty from the religious reasons, the hijab isn’t any weirder that our own nipple phobias (I ask you, why can men expose their nipples when it’s breast feeding mothers who would get functional use out of doing so?).
You can make the same argument for motorcycle helmets, if the utility of keeping your skull from being sanded away and your brain spread into a thin smear of goo on the asphalt isn’t persuasive.Seriously, I see this ALL THE TIME around here, guys riding scooters through heavy, unpredictable urban traffic while gabbing on the flip-phone shoved into their helmet. Multitasking is all fine and good, but you need near-dissociative-personality-disorder levels to successfully manage that.
I’m the only dissenting voice? I think it looks silly. Like those bluetooth things that make ya look like the Borg. Which I’ve used, but only while driving.I also think it’s annoying, but don’t want to come across like that Cali girl who disliked Asians. Mainly I think talking on the phone in public is annoying, although it could be done discreetly. That is why texting was invented. Or twittering.
catsays
I basically agree with that sentiment. Headscarves are, in and of themselves, completely neutral articles of clothing. It is the attitudes about women, bodies, modesty, etc. attached to them that makes it a problematic issue. Skirts work about the same way-wearing a skirt because you like it, feel comfortable in it, etc. is not wrong, but an attitude that essentially forces women (and other known FAABs) to wear skirts in certain circumstances is messed up.
You know what I saw that was really funny (ironic is better). Woman are supposed to wear the hijab, as Jen says to show modesty and supposedly to not draw attention to themselves. Well about a month ago, I was out with my family for dinner at a restaurant and there was a woman with a hijab on. She also had on “stripper” shoes (god I love those), painted on jeans, a top that was a size to small with a plunging neck line.I personally think is great when women express themselves but to me, if you are dressing like this, why are you still wearing the hijab? Just own it.
Jordannasays
Some women wear it as a symbol of their religion, not as an attempt to be really modest. Think Christian in short shorts and tank top with a cross on.
According to a psychology article I read recently (I have no idea where, or I’d link it; for all I know, it was linked from a comment on BlagHag and I’m going to look like a fool for this comment), the reason overhearing someone on the phone is more annoying than any other conversation around you is that your brain is busy trying to figure out what the person on the other end is saying, so it’s really tough for you to tune it out. So don’t feel bad for hating people chatting on the phone in public! We all hate it!
Isn’t she awesome? I totally met her in the cereal aisle at Wegmans. I think she was wearing archaeology paraphernalia so a conversation started and we totally hit it off. Then we found out that our respective significant others play Magic the Gathering together every week. Ahhh, small towns…
agreed. I have a Pakistani friend who keeps a hijab in her room so she can throw it on after an all-nighter, so noone can see she’s wearing yesterday’s clothing, hasn’t brushed her hair or anything. She also wears it in the winter, since it’s another layer of warmth.A lesbian muslim girl I know wore a headscarf for two weeks straight after we dyed her hair rainbow for gay pride, but the stuff fried her hair and wouldn’t come out.
I am not a fan of them in medical students either. I think it’s difficult to place trust in a doctor or indeed in your student if your face is covered up since so much of human communication is based on visual clues and expressions. I also don’t think the habit of a lot of muslim students using their religion to avoid the “bare below the elbow” guideline is acceptable. The issue is people rarely think beyond their faith. You won’t ever get people to stop driving with a Niqab on unless there is a cultural revolution where women and men declare the garment to be Haraam (i knows my arabic) as a whole.
I had a weird experience with that logic. I was at a restaurant and this waiter asked me if “that breastfeeding woman was disturbing me”. I didn’t even notice her until she was pointed out.It’s as natural as natural can be. Everyone’s been on the receiving end of it (except in rare cases), so why make a big fuss? It’s not sexual unless you are “kind of weird” in which case we would end up banning everything because someone found it sexy. The Hijab is a scarf, the Niqab/Burqa is the full “ninja mask” look. The hijab tends to be worn by relatively liberal muslims in much the same way as jewish headscarves and various christian groups wear the scarf. Usually you get good vision out of them since it can be pushed back to expose your entire face.
Jordannasays
Facebook’s woman nipple ban extending to pictures of breast feeding mothers drives me nuts. One guy complained “I don’t want to see these pictures of my co-worker’s wife breast feeding!” Honestly, just don’t look!Yeah, the Al-Amira style of hijab (http://www.hijabgirl.com/alami… seems like it’d offer better visibility than my current haircut since it’s so close fitting and pulled away from the face.
Drakksays
Religious based exemptions to anything should be done away with, really. I don’t care what people believe, if you’re not allowed to bring weapons somewhere I’m not making an exception for your “ceremonial knife”.
Amy Alkon, who advocates building shit moats to safeguard controversial landscape design elements?Yep, just the kind of person I’d use as a go-to for etiquette advice.
Also, excellent at keeping your ears warm.
I’ve often noticed that and I am quite the fan.
… Is this supposed to be the ballyhooed post that was gonna get you lots of flak?I am disappointed at the lack of inflammatory content herein.… just teasing. Hell, I’d wear a niqab if it would hide the the farking acne playing Conqueror over my cheeks.
True; they could be quite practical in Seattle winter weather. Especially if made from a water-resistant fabric.
I’ve seen that trick quite often in my (heavily muslim) neighbourhood. Still don’t worth it, though. ;-)
Haha, no, it’s not this post
http://imgur.com/UUyzF
Yeah, the HijabTooth is pretty popular in some areas.
I have often thought the exact same thing here in Minnesota.
A friend of mine, as an anthropology project, wore the hijab for an entire month last fall. In rural, conservative Western New York. Oh, and during a short trip to Ohio as well. http://fatimasblessing.blogspo…That’s the blog she made to document the whole project. It was pretty freaking awesome. Some people asked if she had a bomb under it, and TONS of people asked her friends and roommates if she had converted to Islam (not a single one asked her in person).She actually grew rather attached to the hijab by the end of her project. Partially because the weather Western New York in October and November is horrendous and she was a lot more comfortable with the head scarf on than anyone else was without it!
Outdoor Research makes the waterproof “Seattle sombrero”… not sure the “Seattle hijab” would catch on, but you could suggest it to them :)
You would also look like a ninja.
The cellphone thing is a pretty common sight in my neighbourhood. Also a great way to get around distracted driving laws. And you know those days when you role out of bed late and decide it is going to have to be a hat day? Every day is a hat day when you are wearing a head covering. Ultimate grad student laziness/lack of time.
That could work.
The same could be said of many clothes.
Do please take them off when driving, they impair peripheral vision and hearing a fair bit. I’ve been rear ended by someone wearing one (admittedly back in my home country where everyone is a terrible driver)
I do find this idea quite interesting- I mean, we usually cover our belly buttons in America and us women almost always have to cover our breasts. It’s generally purely for modesty’s sake (at least in the warmer times of the year). If you divide the modesty from the religious reasons, the hijab isn’t any weirder that our own nipple phobias (I ask you, why can men expose their nipples when it’s breast feeding mothers who would get functional use out of doing so?).
You can make the same argument for motorcycle helmets, if the utility of keeping your skull from being sanded away and your brain spread into a thin smear of goo on the asphalt isn’t persuasive.Seriously, I see this ALL THE TIME around here, guys riding scooters through heavy, unpredictable urban traffic while gabbing on the flip-phone shoved into their helmet. Multitasking is all fine and good, but you need near-dissociative-personality-disorder levels to successfully manage that.
I’m the only dissenting voice? I think it looks silly. Like those bluetooth things that make ya look like the Borg. Which I’ve used, but only while driving.I also think it’s annoying, but don’t want to come across like that Cali girl who disliked Asians. Mainly I think talking on the phone in public is annoying, although it could be done discreetly. That is why texting was invented. Or twittering.
I basically agree with that sentiment. Headscarves are, in and of themselves, completely neutral articles of clothing. It is the attitudes about women, bodies, modesty, etc. attached to them that makes it a problematic issue. Skirts work about the same way-wearing a skirt because you like it, feel comfortable in it, etc. is not wrong, but an attitude that essentially forces women (and other known FAABs) to wear skirts in certain circumstances is messed up.
You know what I saw that was really funny (ironic is better). Woman are supposed to wear the hijab, as Jen says to show modesty and supposedly to not draw attention to themselves. Well about a month ago, I was out with my family for dinner at a restaurant and there was a woman with a hijab on. She also had on “stripper” shoes (god I love those), painted on jeans, a top that was a size to small with a plunging neck line.I personally think is great when women express themselves but to me, if you are dressing like this, why are you still wearing the hijab? Just own it.
Some women wear it as a symbol of their religion, not as an attempt to be really modest. Think Christian in short shorts and tank top with a cross on.
That blog is really interesting!
I can see that, but I still see both as rather ironic.
What with the commandments in their holy books… yeah, it really is.
Thanks so so so much for sharing this. It’s absolutely fascinating; I can’t stop reading!
According to a psychology article I read recently (I have no idea where, or I’d link it; for all I know, it was linked from a comment on BlagHag and I’m going to look like a fool for this comment), the reason overhearing someone on the phone is more annoying than any other conversation around you is that your brain is busy trying to figure out what the person on the other end is saying, so it’s really tough for you to tune it out. So don’t feel bad for hating people chatting on the phone in public! We all hate it!
It’s also cited in “I See Rude People: One woman’s battle to beat some manners into impolite society” by Amy Alkon.http://www.amazon.com/See-Rude…
Isn’t she awesome? I totally met her in the cereal aisle at Wegmans. I think she was wearing archaeology paraphernalia so a conversation started and we totally hit it off. Then we found out that our respective significant others play Magic the Gathering together every week. Ahhh, small towns…
agreed. I have a Pakistani friend who keeps a hijab in her room so she can throw it on after an all-nighter, so noone can see she’s wearing yesterday’s clothing, hasn’t brushed her hair or anything. She also wears it in the winter, since it’s another layer of warmth.A lesbian muslim girl I know wore a headscarf for two weeks straight after we dyed her hair rainbow for gay pride, but the stuff fried her hair and wouldn’t come out.
I am not a fan of them in medical students either. I think it’s difficult to place trust in a doctor or indeed in your student if your face is covered up since so much of human communication is based on visual clues and expressions. I also don’t think the habit of a lot of muslim students using their religion to avoid the “bare below the elbow” guideline is acceptable. The issue is people rarely think beyond their faith. You won’t ever get people to stop driving with a Niqab on unless there is a cultural revolution where women and men declare the garment to be Haraam (i knows my arabic) as a whole.
I had a weird experience with that logic. I was at a restaurant and this waiter asked me if “that breastfeeding woman was disturbing me”. I didn’t even notice her until she was pointed out.It’s as natural as natural can be. Everyone’s been on the receiving end of it (except in rare cases), so why make a big fuss? It’s not sexual unless you are “kind of weird” in which case we would end up banning everything because someone found it sexy. The Hijab is a scarf, the Niqab/Burqa is the full “ninja mask” look. The hijab tends to be worn by relatively liberal muslims in much the same way as jewish headscarves and various christian groups wear the scarf. Usually you get good vision out of them since it can be pushed back to expose your entire face.
Facebook’s woman nipple ban extending to pictures of breast feeding mothers drives me nuts. One guy complained “I don’t want to see these pictures of my co-worker’s wife breast feeding!” Honestly, just don’t look!Yeah, the Al-Amira style of hijab (http://www.hijabgirl.com/alami… seems like it’d offer better visibility than my current haircut since it’s so close fitting and pulled away from the face.
Religious based exemptions to anything should be done away with, really. I don’t care what people believe, if you’re not allowed to bring weapons somewhere I’m not making an exception for your “ceremonial knife”.
Amy Alkon, who advocates building shit moats to safeguard controversial landscape design elements?Yep, just the kind of person I’d use as a go-to for etiquette advice.