A film at the soon-to-open National September 11 Memorial Museum on the roots of the attacks has been denounced by an advisory group made up of clergy from different faiths. Here is the news.
Clergy of every religion try to save all religions. Religion is their bread and butter. They know that during the crisis they have to save each other’s ass. They now try to say, Islam had nothing to do with 9/11. But the truth is, Islam had a lot of things to do with 9/11. Most of the religious terrorism we witness in today’s world, is Islamic. Islam is related to terrorism doesn’t mean that all Muslims are terrorists, it means Islam has relation with terrorism. Many Muslims do not believe in terrorism, or they are afraid to be involved in terrorism. But Islam didn’t establish itself as a religion without terrorizing people. It has a bloody history. The terrorists of 9/11 might have some political agenda but it was Islam which made them so desperate to kill kafirs. Muhammad the prophet of Islam himself killed kafirs and inspired his followers to kill kafirs or the enemies of Islam. All 9/11 terrorists were the blind followers of Muhammad and Islam, the religion he created more than 1400 years ago.
Why deny the truth?
Quran 9:5 command the killing of Kafir & Quran 9:29 commands war against non Muslim world . You can rape a non Muslim women ” under right possession” in Quran 4:24 . Taliban & Al Quada are doing what their evil Prophet did in seventh century
To get the proper understanding you have to follow the logic by reading verses 9:3-9:5, then you will see that the verse is not to just for no reason saying kill someone.
4:24 And [forbidden to you are] all married women other than those whom you rightfully possess [through wedlock]: [26] this is God’s ordinance, binding upon you. But lawful to you are all [women] beyond these, for you to seek out, offering them of your possessions, [27] taking them in honest wedlock, and not in fornication. And unto those with whom you desire to enjoy marriage, you shall give the dowers due to them; but you will incur no sin if, after [having agreed upon] this lawful due, you freely agree with one another upon anything [else]: [28] behold, God is indeed all-knowing, wise.
hi tasleema how can you say everything about religion without any fear of religion group. you wrote about your own religion’s bad effect on society and country. due to this kind of writing you become target of religious group in your own country. your home ‘AVKASH’ left, your family left, your country left,. because you write about religion, rights of women, rape, sexual harrashment etc. do you think sometime what you get from this kind of writing. some people said that you did this because you wanted to become famous and earned more money. but i don’t think so, you are a Dr. and good author if you want to become famous and earned more money you can did it easily. you can’t take life risk for these things. Actually you are a different woman. you see the world with different vision. you are such a brave writer . best wishes
It is nothing but a scapegoat for Muslims to say that if terrorism is blamed on Islam that all Muslims would be implicated. All Christians do not take the blame for the many horrors perpetrated by their ideology but we expect them to stand up against the horrors by recognizing that the ideology that allowed it is, and never was, valid. Until Muslims are willing to stand up against the indoctrination of their children into the martyrdom myth, they will always be complicit in the damage that results. Living in fear of death or retribution should not be the definition of life, it shrivels and stunts and corrupts growth like plants without the sun. Life is defined by growth, staying in the light, standing up for truth, and laying the groundwork for a better life for the next generation.
Thank you so much for your very important and necessary post. I agree with you fully that ‘ Most of the religious terrorism we witness in today’s world, is Islamic.’ You have written, ‘ But Islam didn’t establish itself as a religion without terrorizing people’ – I want to say to this point that Islam could not establish itself without terrorizing and killing the people belong to other religion.
I also want to thank Mr. Gwen Stacy for his very important and courageous comment in which he correctly wrote – ‘Taliban & Al Quada are doing what their evil Prophet did in seventh century’. Yes it is absolutely right that all the Muslim terrorists have now been doing throughout the world what their prophet Muhammad had been doing in the name of Allah to capture power and properties.
Just so you know, “Gwen” is a woman’s name and “Gwen Stacy” is a character from Spider-man.
To link Islam with the terrorism is the most hilarious insecurity a person can have. And it is quite evident. Still running after such pitty issues of blame game like untrained and undeveloped mind!
In short, there is no religion in the world which teaches terrorism!
Religious extremists of any stripe become terrorists, not just Islam.
Yes – but not as often.
Take a look down this list :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_groups
Of terrorist groups – notice how many are Islamist and how bad those Islamist groups are.
Think about that – and those the Jihadist groups have killed. Then think again some more. Please.
All religions are human constructs, a reflection of human psyche and collective subconscious. Threatening each other with eternal hell is the epitome of terrorism. In particular when aimed at those individuals who don’t have the wherewithal to tell the “religious” to fuck off, let alone the actors who take it upon themselves to spread some of that threat from the imaginary into reality. Terrorism to the bone.
You correctly said that Islam had a lot of things to do with 9/11. Not only that, rather I want to say that it is Islam which was mainly responsible for 9/11. You have written Islam has relation with terrorism, I want to say that terrorism is the main weapon of Islam. By killing and terrorizing people Muhammad became able to establish his religion Islam.
Thank you so much for this courageous post.
Islam is derived from the word ‘salaam’ which means peace. It is a religion of peace whose fundamentals teach its followers to maintain and promote peace throughout the world.
A few selected verses from the Qur’an are often misquoted to perpetuate the myth that Islam promotes violence, and exhorts its followers to kill those outside the pale of Islam.
1. Verse from Surah Taubah
The following verse from Surah Taubah is very often quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality:
“Kill the ‘mushriqeen’ (pagans, kafirs) where ever you find them.”
[Al-Qur’an 9:5]
2. Context of verse is during battlefield
Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the ‘Mushriqs’ (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the ‘Mushriqs’ of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the ‘Mushriqs’ of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says:
“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay
The pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them,
And lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);
But if they repent, and establish regular prayers
And practice regular charity, then open the way for them:
For Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful.”
[Al-Qur’an 9:5]
This verse is quoted during a battle.
3. Example of war between America and Vietnam
We know that America and Vietnam were once at war. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: “Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them”. Today if I say that the American President said, “Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them” without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war.
4. Verse 9:5 quoted to boost morale of Muslims during battle
Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an, says, “Kill the Mushriqs where ever you find them”, during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemy kill him.
5. Shourie jumps from verse 5 to verse 7
Arun Shourie is one of the staunchest critics of Islam in India. He quotes the same verse, Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 in his book ‘The World of Fatwahs’, on page 572. After quoting verse 5 he jumps to verse 7 of Surah Taubah. Any sensible person will realise that he has skipped verse 6.
6. Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer
Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:
“If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,
Grant it to him, so that he may hear the word
Of Allah, and then escort him to where he can be secure
That is because they are men without knowledge.”
[Al-Qur’an 9:6]
The Qur’an not only says that a ‘Mushriq’ seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?
This is exactly what Allah (SWT) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world.
Tell it to the people that were in the World Trade Center on 9/11
Yep.
Or the people killed in the Bali bombings,
the Madrid and London bombings,
the Boston marathon bombings,
the widow of Lee Rigby,
the families of so many victims of homicide-suicide bombings in Israel,
the victims of Taliban attacks like schoolgirl Malala Yousufzai,
and Boko Haram attacks
and the list could just go on and on and on seemingly forever.
Islam has a terrorism problem.
It incites and is used to justify Terrorism, Jihads and Fatwahs in a particularly extreme way that no other major religion does.
It cannot reasonably be denied that it inspires more violence and bloodshed than any other major religon at present.
Most Muslims are NOT terrorists true.
But these days, most terrorists are Muslims is equally true.
To ignore or pretend otherwise is plain wrong and counterproductive helping nobody and harming all.
Navas ,
You’re lying under Al Taqiyya scheme .Your Prophet commanded you to lie . Your argument that the context of Quran Surah 9 Aya 5 is demonstrably false . You don’t have a single Tafsir to support your lies .
Quranic Sword verse. 9:5.
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=5
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“Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order
to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah.
It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the
Mushriks (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriks of
Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriks of Makkah to
make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. This verse is
quoted during a battle, and hence the Qur’an says, “Kill the Mushriks
wherever you find them”, during a battle to boost the morale of the
Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be
afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them.”
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—Dr. Zakir Naik
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Lets see again –
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“This verse is
quoted during a battle, and hence the Qur’an says, “Kill the Mushriks
wherever you find them”.”
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The question is not which battle and by which leader was this verse
being quoted out of Qur’an to heighten the morale of the holy warriors,
but when was it revealed?
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Could it be revealed during a battle? For what purpose?
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Is it to be believed that “And when the sacred months have passed..”, a condition that should reasonably be stated or proclaimed before a
“battle”, like “And when the period of nine months have passed, she
would deliver a baby”, is being revealed amidst of a battle?
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So “during a battle”, Muslims army is being “reminded” of to rethink and
check the condition “And whenthe sacred months have passed”, as to
whether it HAS been four months since that was said or did we start one
day before?
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Besides that reason, we also have some Tafsir’s of Qur’an to check the actual context. Which I’d like everyone to introspect for themselves.
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The context and effects, as two of the major Sunni Tafsirs would suggest, which I’d provide, was:
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1. It was revealed when Islam had already become the dominant power.
2. It was revealed when Muslims were confident enough to give a time period (Four months) to Mushrikins who (allegedly) broke the treaties toleave the land or face consequences. Thus pointing out to the fact that
they had so much power that they could openly make enemies without fear, as opposed to being under an ongoing battle.
3. It was also to be applied on those Mushrikin (Idolaters) tribe that had never signed any treaty.
4. Tribes which had an indefinite time period of peace treaty, their time period was by default brought to four months.
5. After that period, Muslims were commanded seek Mushrikins out and subdue to them either accept Islam, or pay Taxes.
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Look yourself at the context behind the verse, the it has been preserved by Sunni Historians.
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http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2585&Itemid=64
“He also sent `Ali bin Abi Talib with thirty or forty Ayat from Bara’ah (At-Tawbah), and he recited them to the people, giving the idolators four months during which they freely move about in the land.”
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This Surah, to whatever extent it was revealed, was to be narrated to the groups of idolators to tell them that they are free to roam around in the land. After which, they’ll face the consequences.
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“Then they returned to Allah’s Messenger . So this was the declaration ofinnocence, whoever among the idolators had no treaty, then he had a treaty of peace for one year, if he had a particular treaty, then it was
valid until its date of expiration.”
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Proving the point that there existed tribes that never had any treaty with Muslims. Even then, they were to face the consequences.
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What Muslims were supposed to do after ending of the 4 months “Grace period” was basically go after looking for all those tribes, lay seige for them (they were advised to not wait for an attack from the other side, but rather go after them).
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“(So when the Sacred Months have passed…), meaning, `Upon the end of the four months during which We prohibited you from fighting the idolators, and which is the grace period We gave them, then fight and
kill the idolators wherever you may find them.’ Allah’s statement next, (then fight the Mushrikin wherever you find them), means, on the earth in general, except for the Sacred Area, for Allah said, (And fight not with them at Al-Masjid Al-Haram, unless they fight you there. But if they attack you, then fight them. )﴿2:191﴾ Allah said
here, (and capture them), executing some and keeping some as prisoners, (and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush), do not wait until you find them. Rather, seek and besiege them in their areas and forts, gather intelligence about them in the various roads andfairways so that what is made wide looks ever smaller to them. This way, they will have no choice, but to die or embrace Islam”
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Abu Bakr As-Siddiq used this and other honorable Ayat as proof for fighting those who refrained from paying the Zakah. These Ayat allowed fighting people unless, and until, they embrace Islam and implement its
rulings and obligations.
I have been commanded to fight the people until they testify that there
is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is the
Messenger of Allah, establish the prayer and pay the Zakah.) This
honorable Ayah (9:5) was called the Ayah of the Sword, about which
Ad-Dahhak bin Muzahim said, “It abrogated every agreement of peace
between the Prophet and any idolator, every treaty, and every term.”
Al-`Awfi said that Ibn `Abbas commented: “No idolator had any more
treaty or promise of safety ever since Surah Bara’ah was revealed.
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So these are the interpretations of Qur’an a person who is a Sunni Muslim most likely follows. (One of the probable reason why FBI gave the statement that “Mainstream Muslims are violent).
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I have created this thread to seek alternative views/interpretations/translations (substantiated by Tafsirs and Hadith, not personal Muslim opinions) that would provide reasons to alter the obvious conclusion.
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Also, I am curious to know what some of the members, who have been putting the blame on “Anti Muslim/ Islamophobes” for misquoting Qur’an, like Abu, would say to this. As all this is not actually coming from Tafsirs written by Anti Islamic propagandists, but presented from accounts of Ibn Kathir (if I am not wrong) and collaborated by certain hadiths mentioned in that Muslim Link that was presented.
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Apart from that Tafsir, there are other Sunni Tafseer’s also available that present a “more intolerant” translation.
Your third example actually just shows how evil Mohammed was. We fought the Vietnam to prevent the spread of Communism. No one was seeking to kill all the Vietnamese, although a changing moral consciousness caused people to question the accepted modus operandi of war at the time, which was very lax about civilian deaths. Any President or general who had said “Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them” would have been excoriated in the press and political arena. Statements similar to that like “we had to destroy the village in order to save it” have become symbols of evil and dehumanization in war, regardless of the “context.”
Since Mohammed claimed an audience with god, surely Allah’s morality had to be better than an American liberal circa 1968, right? Or was he just a genocidal warlord using a supposed connection with god to justify his accumulation of power, wealth, and women?
You’re misquoting Quran 9 :6 without it context . Go ahead , read the Tafsir of this verse by Ibn Kathir . Quran 9:6 is NOT out of compassion but greed to propagate religion .
Go ahead , read the Tafsir
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2580&Itemid=64
This verse is Valid only for those who testify Muhammad as Prophet, feel subjugated & pay Jaziya. This is akin to ransom of Mafiya . You’re a Muslim & bereft of empathy .Ergo ,you find ransom, blackmailing as mercy .
@Everyone
This Navas guy is copy pasting from http://www.islamicvoice.com/April2006/Facts&Faith/ without actually reading the Tafsir . Most Muslim are unlettered like him who post incorrect opinion in random website . All it take is to read original Tafsir
You are right that this guy doesn’t actually really know much about islamic theology theoretically. But we needn’t bother with islamic apologetics. He can quote the entire internet for all I care. It isn’t worth the time nor the effort as we can see how devastatingly evil and utterly disgusting islam is in practice on a daily basis.
The problem is this that you don’t have any Muslim friends to observe their daily basis life. If you will observe the life of a common Muslim (not extremist Muslims) you will not blame all the Muslims.
@faisal khalil..I am from Kerala State,India and I have observed a lot of Muslims, friends and otherwise on a daily basis.They are mostly Sunni( 24% of the population).They are ( except a few) extremist to a certain degree in their ideology, even though not in deeds.Most of them agree that the death penalty is the appropriate punishment for an apostate or somebody who renounce the Muslim faith for another faith. I am speaking of the “common Muslim” as opposed to the “extremist Muslim” here.@ Faisal..What in your opinion should be the appropriate punishment for an apostate or a person who renounce the Muslim faith for some other?Or should there be a punishment at all?
Islam has permitted every human to practice any religion. Muslim can’t force any body to accept Islam, but it is duty of every Muslim to Invite non-Muslims towards Islam. If Muslims do well propagation of Islam then there will be no reason for any one to renounce the Muslims faith for some other faith. No enforcement of faith can take place in a society governed by the laws of The Quran. The Quran itself states anyone compelled or forced to believe or admit to something under duress is invalid with God:
“Whoever rejects God after having believed; except for one who is forced while his heart is still content with belief; and has opened his chest to rejection, then they will have a wrath from God and they will have a great retribution”. [16:106]. Thus, no one can impose death penalties for an apostate or somebody who renounce the Muslim faith for another faith. Allah says in Quran that we should agree on those things which are common in our religions.
Pretty difficult to reconcile suicide bombing with Islamic scripture. The Quran commands “do not kill yourselves” (4:29) There are numerous injunctions against it by Muhammad as a hellworthy offence:
“And if somebody commits suicide with anything in this world, he will be tortured with that very thing on the Day of Resurrection.”
(Sahih Bukhari)
And no exceptions are made for wartime:
“The Prophet said: A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid paradise for him.” (ibid)
Still, who cares. Let’s just put together a lazy blog post in 5 minutes. Islam has a relation to terrorism. Not totally sure what that exact relation is or prepared to learn more, but it’s there. Duhh huhh.
That is pretty typical sophistry from a religious apologist. Suicide bombing were deemed permissible because the suicide is not the main goal. It is secondary to inflicting damage on your enemies. If the person could bomb them without committing suicide, they probably would, but a human bomb is a devastating weapon as terroists of many stripes have found. It is called “suicide” just because the death is more certain than other sacrificial acts during war, where a soldier is nevertheless quite likely to die. Possibly the only good idea the second Bush presidency ever had was renaming them “homicide bombings” to better highlight their ultimate intent.
I have furnished evidence and you have wilfully ignored it. Take a bow. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Qur’an 9:111 avers ”Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and kill and are killed”
Ergo your position that suicide bombing ain’t permitted for religious propagation in Islam is demonstrably false by Quran 9:111.Sahih Muslim 42:7148,Sunah Abu Dawud 59:809 confirms it .
You quoted a verse that is NOT from a war paradigm so a false analogy . I’d also urge you to read the battle of Uhud to understand the importance of suicide in Islam . Muhammad was selling paradise whore to his thugs to save his life .
It’s not remotely false. Suicide is prohibited in Islam. Ergo you’re talking rubbish.
I don’t think we should forget Timothy McVeigh. He was very much a Christian Fundamentalist and a Terrorist. By forgeting him and the right wing Christians we forget that they have been and can be as dangerous as the Islamic terrorists.
I don’t deny the crime done by Christians .Nonetheless , if you follow Jesus , you’d be Teresa & Newton.If you are good hindu, you would be Gandhi & if you follow Muhammad & his crime , you would be Khamene , Mullah Omar or Osama bin Laden . Bible contain violence & so does Mahabharata but the founder of these religion ain’t pedophile ,terrorist, rapist like Muhammad .That’s makes a huge difference .
1. Terrorism isn’t a “belief”, it’s a military & political tactic. Here’s the FBI’s definition of terrorism. The tactic of Terrorism is embraced by religious groups, non-religious nationalist groups, and even governments.
2. Islam has a bloody history, but then so do Christianity, Hinduism & Judaism.
It shows you are biased and don’t write true. Its all a hated speech against religion and prophet (PBUH). In Arabs where Prophet found Islam women buried alive with no right is of heir. Prophet taught people not to kill innocents, women, children, old and people were not taking part in War. People of Mecca imposed wars on Muslims and prophet asked them to defend not to invade. Its history what did Prophet’s follower do or did is another subject. BUT PROPHET did not killed any single human in his life… When you read Quran why you don’t read good things why you don’t take it positive . IN QURAN its said that
saving of a Human is saving of All Mankind and killing of a human is killing of all Mankind….