Lama Al Ghamdi was admitted to hospital with multiple injuries, a crushed skull, broken ribs and left arm, extensive bruising and burns. Child’s rectum had been torn open and the abuser had attempted to burn it closed. She died.
‘The judge had ruled the prosecution could only seek blood money and the time the defendant had served in prison since Lama’s death suffices as punishment. The ruling is based on Islamic laws that a father cannot be executed for murdering his children, nor can husbands be executed for murdering their wives.’
A father cannot be executed for murdering his children, nor can husbands be executed for murdering their wives. But a mother should be executed for murdering her children and wives should be executed for murdering their husbands. Right?
Will Muslims continue to tolerate misogyny, barbarism, inequalities and injustices of Islam?
Islamic Justice, an oxymoron if ever there was.
Isn’t child rape a crime? Under Islamic law are children the father’s property, mere possessions to be treated in any way he sees fit?
I have another question: Where are the Saudi women? They have cell phones, Facebook and Twitter. They may not be able to leave the house, but they have access to social media. Where are the devout Muslim women in other Islamic countries? Turkey? Algeria? Palestine? Egypt? Iraq? Indonesia? Mothers! tell the rest of the world this is monstrous! March! Women and men have risen up in India–where is the rest of the world??
What as per you should have been the punishment of this man?
His punishment should be as follows: asshole burned, arm broken, skull bashed in, etc. Doesn’t this sound barbaric? Do you think he would want to feel that kind of pain? Would you want to feel that pain?
🙂 quiet barbaric.. But the punishment under Islamic law for rape would be pelting stones till death and for murder would be as per the will of the relative of the deceased. They may choose to take blood money OR death punishment to the culprit!. This is what the Islamic law says. Fair???
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This is not what islam say please this is what causes comfilicts to us moslems that people who do not know is lslam tend to say what interests them and just jump into conclusions that are not true so islam says if you kill some one you are suposed to be killed also this means if the father killed her doughty he should also be killed no marsy what so ever that’s the sharia low
behind bar for the rest of his life, after making him impotent. Or should be hanged in front of people.
This guy is a shame for the whole muslim community. However evil should not be answered with evil as it is just another test for the real Muslims and a lesson to be aware that shaytan can be present everywhere, also in people that claim to be Muslims and so called preachers for Islam. I think we cannot expect any justice in this case as usual. No punishment would be strong enough for what this person did, except that what will expect him in the after life. inshallah he will burn in hell forever for what he did.
Hi Taslima,
Does Islamic or Sharia Law actually say that a father is allowed to kill his children? I see that this story has been published by the BBC but without the permission of a father to kill his children.
Uzma@3: while one cannot condone retribution as a justification for punishment, one can justify a jail sentence long enough to
a) act as a deterrent to others – i.e. if you do this too, you can expect to be locked up for this long, and
b) act to prevent this man from harming others for as long as he is locked away. It would be nice if, while he was in jail, we also had a method of achieving
c) rehabilitation – trying to reform him psychologically so that he no longer feels the urge to dominate and brutalise other people, but that’s generally a lot harder to achieve.
Would you say that was fair?
It is also, Aliah @ 5.1, completely ghoulish to want him to burn in hell forever. What good would that do anyone? It will not bring his daughter back, and it will not rehabilitate him (since he cannot, by definition, come out of an eternity in Hell a better person). No human can commit infinite evil during their lifetime, so to wish infinite punishment on someone is, to put it mildly, a little disproportionate, wouldn’t you say? Luckily we have no good reason to think that Hell exists, so we should focus on achieving the best outcome we can in this world.
People like Miss Nasreen are very quick to point out crimes in Muslim countries and blame Islam, but never mention crimes in secular countries. Check out this story about rape on American college campuses,if you are going to blame Islam for rape in Muslim countries, then who are you going to blame here?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124001493
Excerpts:
-research funded by the U.S. Department of Justice estimates that 1 out of 5 college women will be sexually assaulted
-That’s also why punishments tend to be light: Counseling and alcohol treatment are more likely than expulsion. The result is that large numbers of women who say they’ve been assaulted feel dissatisfied with the results, and large numbers of women end up leaving school.
He should get much the same punishment as would be meted out in a place like Australia. A life sentence – the courts here show consideration of the severity justified by any particular murder by the length of the non-parole period it imposes.
This particularly vile and vicious offence would get to the 20 year mark as a first benchmark I’d think. Some judges would go over this, others would impose less. Anything over 25 years is extremely rare.
@Hamad Hussain (Comment No. 8):
The United States with 4% confessed atheists are not exactly a “secular country”.
The countries in Northern Europe as the scandinavian countries, for example, are secular and the statistics of violent crimes (as well as statistics of rape) are extremely low.
One has to admit, though, that the crime rate in large scandinavian cities is rising, as police reports indicate.
Unfortunately, the police reports also mention that the perpetrators are mainly muslim immigrants.
Please note that it is not Islamic law , it is Saudi local law.
He should be stoned to death without mercy.
@Rudolf Root-there is a difference between secularism and atheism. You don’t have to be an atheist to be secular. Ameirca is most definitely a secular country.
@Hamad Hussain —
please give your definition of a “secular country” as our opinions obviously differ in this matter.
MY definition of a secular country is an easy one — it is a country where
• there’s a strict separation of church and state, where
• religion has no voice whatsoever in the development of political ideas, where
• religion has no voice in the implementation of statutory or political actions, in short, where
• religion is being denied any influence in public or political matters of any kind.
But most importantly, all the above being the result of
• the majority of its population rejecting the notion of religion,
as in most northern European, for example Scandinavian countries, where the majority of the population reject the traditional idea of a personal god or supernatural forces of any other kind.
Although your description, that being an atheist is not essential for a person to be “secular” is definitely right, this does not contradict or dismiss the fact that the outspoken “secularity” of the majority of a country’s population constitutes the “secularity” of a country.
Most certainly the level of “nonbelievers” in a population defines the level of “secularity” of a nation, if one admits to the definition of a “secular country” as given above.
And all of the above is a rather fitting description of a “secular country”, don’t you think?
Coincidentally all of the nations which fit this definition of a “secular country” as a rule tend to possess a high level of education, the societies are highly tolerant in matters of different opinions, possess a working public health care system and exhibit a high level of economical stability and contentment among it’s polulation.
At the same time these societies feature low differences in the distribution of wealth, low levels of illiteracy as well as low levels of corruption and crime rates — you can walk for hours or even days in large Scandinavian cities without encountering a single police man, as the sociologist Phil Zuckerman notes rather surprised in “Society without God”.
Can you name JUST ONE “nonsecular country” or a society that is politically influenced by religion that could claim similar advantages, Hamad?
@Rudolf Root- My definition of secularism is basically the separation of religion from politics. Now, you are correct when you state while a state may be secular, its inhabitants may still be religious. Currently, in America religion is at an all-time low in terms of belief and Church attendance. About only 20% of the population attends Church. In any case, my point wasn’t that this trend towards secularism is the cause of the rape problem in America. My point was that women have a hard time finding justice throughout the world
You also seem to imply that secular countries which have low crime, literacy,etc do so becausef their population by and large reject the notion of a God. This is not true.when compared to the Scandinavian countries, Luxembourg has a much lower percentage of Atheists but is very similar to them in terms of quality of life. Also, Islamic countries such as Qatar and U.A.E. have legislation inspired by Islamic law and rank very high in terms of low corruption, literacy,etc.
@Hamad Hussain —
first of all: I never said anything along the lines of “while a state may be secular, its inhabitants may still be religious”.
I stated exactly the opposite.
If the majority of a nation’s population is religious, this will always be reflected in political matters which then will have an increasing influence on the legislation.
(One can witness this process in action in the United States where fundamental religious positions are reflected in current politics and legislation.)
As for Luxembourg as an example of a secular state with religious population: in 1995 69% of the population described themselves as “religious” and 23% were regular churchgoers, diminishing to a mere 10 to 15% in 2004, still counting down from that in the last 8 years.
Now, Hamad, regarding your mentioning of Qatar and the UAE as valid examples of religious societies — yes, your are right, huge advancements have been gained in the past in the area of education and public healthcare, opposed to low corruption and crime rates.
And standards of liberal and tolerant societies have been nearly reached in the other areas I mentioned.
For men, that is.
Straight men.
Politically non dissenting straight men.
Preferably native politically non dissenting straight men.
Oh, I just noticed that I forgot to quote the “2010 Human Rights Report” on Qatar by the US Department of State:
“A 2007 Qatar University study found that 63 percent of 2,778 surveyed citizen and noncitizen female students reported they had been victims of physical abuse, with 52 reporting cases of “strong violence,” such as rape, and 120 reporting sexual harassment. Approximately 50 women reported they had considered suicide because they were afraid of the repercussions if they notified authorities.”
Compare these 63% of the female population of Qatar as “victims of physical abuse” with 0.6% of the female population of Sweden as victims of assault against women, and you will understand why “people like Miss Nasreen are very quick to point out crimes in Muslim countries and blame Islam, but never mention crimes in secular countries”, to quote your first commentary here.
And no, I don’t expect any further answers from you, Hamad.
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