An explanation of a previous post and a potential series if its interesting.
I’m of the opinion that emotions of any sort are only right or wrong in the application and not as a set. I believe the rhetoric with respect to things like hatred and disgust are inconsistent with what they are and how they work. I’m sympathetic with some of the language given its utility in the service of civil rights advancement. But that doesn’t change the vulnerability associated with ideas that range from incorrect to neglecting other features of human behavior.
What do you do when you feel the hate or disgust? You don’t spread it like a condiment, it becomes attached to your memories when you have an experience. And it is part of how your memories store the experience. You don’t suppress it you learn to control it and decide what responses you attach to the disgust or hate.
It’s motivating instinct. It’s made to be practiced and controlled.
I found this on PZ’s political madness thread. Credit to SC. “One of Trump’s personal valets has tested positive for coronavirus“
And I posted this on facebook.
“HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Eat irony Donald. Not doing enough to protect you? Why it’s like a virus requires a larger social response to effectively deal with or something.
It’s too bad you’re systematically removing people or bullying people in your social interactions who actually know how we should deal with viruses.”
The vassals became the vessels for COVID-19 entering the whitetrashhouse.
Did they really expect only the media and the public were the only risk of bringing it in? That those working for the regime weren’t going to bring it in when they interacted with subordinates, went home every day, or commuted and shopped? It’s another sign of their ignorance, how the 1%ers thought they could isolate themselves and leave the serfs to die.
I think they pretty much can though. Sure, they still have a chance to die if they contract it, but you know they will have instant access to full testing, the best medical care round the clock, ventilators if they need them… basically all the things they deny a lot of us. The rich absolutely will weather this much better than the vassals. They have it about as good as it gets in this situation.
I could believe it’s someone in authority or a vassal that spread it.
I’m not sure what a lot of them expected, or what when through their minds.
Maybe they just don’t think about it until it’s right in front of them and treat it like a political problem until then. Like they don’t want to help anyone who is not them. I also don’t believe they care about each other much so it’s not that the 1% thought anything, but rather they took advantage of percieved weakness in those below them and would do it to one another if they could.
@2. silverfeather : Assuming the vassals don’t finally reach a breaking point at which they finally see and understand what is happening and why and do rise up probably violently.
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Yes, thanks.
Agreed.
Specifically? Which some language, used how?
For me, I think it is reasonable to feel and express hate and disgust based on individual actions and policies and things that are under the control of specific individuals and very much NOT acceptable when it is things they cannot control or aren’t responsible for. For instances, hating Trump for his bigotry and encouragement of Nazis is perfectly fine hating people based on their nationality, skin colour or sexuality is totally unacceptable. Hating (Aussie PM) Scott Morrison for being a member of Hillsong a cult with some really toxic beliefs is okay, hating him becuase he’s a white man is not. IOW context and reasons / basis is the key.
Okay, apologies and maybe its me but I’m finding this sentence confusing and an unclear fit here . What is “vulnerable” – the civil rights advancment? The use of emotion-laden rhetoric? The implied speaker or topic involved? Which other features of human behavour specifically? Sorry but I’m not getting this bit. Please could you expand and elaborate on what you meant by that line?
Again it depends very much on context and specifics. On ht it causing the hate or disgust. Sometimes you say nothing out of politeness eg your boss is talking about a movie you hate but they love, sometimes you politely ask for another person to act eg a friend has something stuck in their teeth and you say “Er, I think you’ve got something in your teeth there” and sometimes you vent or express your feelings of hate and disgust on facebook with like minded people or choose to engage with trolls to not let their nonsense go unrefuted or whatever.
Agreed.
Also agreed. Totally. I also feel intense hate and disgust towards Trump based on pretty much everything he’s said and done and yes I wish him ill and the worst, unapologetically so. Ideally, I want Trump defeated, arested and jailed on so many charges involving his corruption, his incompetence, his hideously cruel and criminal policies and actions and I’d to see him die in jail aloen and despised, thoroughly and completely rejected by the World.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that or felling similarly about similarly evil peopel like Morriscum, Dutton and my appalling local unrepresentative Nicolle Flint based on their actions and words and beliefs regarding others and the world in general.
Typo fix for clarity :
Again it depends very much on context and specifics. On what it is causing the hate or disgust.
I’m sympathetic to the “spreading hate” language in that way. It was used to label bigoted violence and the beliefs that help fuel them.
“Hate speech” isn’t so bad because it makes the connection to specific behavior motivated by the feelings attached to memory. It still comes from a position of a natural instinct just being bad instead of a tool to be controlled though.
I also like to keep my hate carefully focused. I try to avoid hate for whole people because I am concerned that’s a lack of precision that can contribute to bigoted behavior. I haven’t been as explicit about it but not hating people for things out of their control is also a good thing to practice.
I hate “whiteness” as a political category, and actions and beliefs associated with it, but I’m also still figuring out how I want to express that hate. Race shouldn’t be a significant thing but a lot of people have made it one. I’ve got a post about that.
https://proxy.freethought.online/primatechess/2020/02/19/white-people-and-whiteness/sc_42667e767da717cc2f7d779a34d3e342/
Thanks for letting me know I was unclear with respect to vulnerability. I think that when people are taught that emotions like hate or disgust are just bad, or that their nature is simply oversimplified in such a manner, it undermines our ability to control them, and cuts us off from our ability to consciously use them. There’s more of a chance of impulsivity causing a problem, one doesn’t have responses ready, one can’t efficiency use them in a personal or social context, and the hate is still going to be in there somewhere (unless there are some neurodiverse individuals that have something relevant going on here, I think I’m just used to dealing with intense feelings).
@ ^ Brony, Social Justice Cenobite : Thanks. Yes that makes more sense now.
Likewise.
I also try not to criticise based on physical cosmetic appearance and clothing because 1) that’s subjective and subject to shift as fashions fickley do. 2) I’m no fashionita or beauty myself & thus it’d be hypocritical of me to criticise others, 3) its usually not in anyway relevant any more than physical features that cannot be controlled eg eye colour.
As far as “whiteness” goes I think there’s a big difference between the mere fact of having “white” skin (pink skin really) and the sets of ideologies around that usually linked to racism and focusing on skin colour as somehow indicating or implying some nebuluous “superiority” as opposed to difference to others in many other ways eg. intellect, culture, history, notions of creative abilities, etc .. “Whiteness” is also something that has historically varied and is very hard to precisely define with various ethno-national groups “counting”” as white or not depending on circumstance and era eg. Italians, Jewish (esp. Askenazim) people, even Irish being sometiems excluded and other times included.
Thank you. This post is introducing some ideas that I’m going to more fully explore in another post that has to do with what emotion is and how a lot more political rhetoric is incompatible with it. I’ll need to make sure the idea of vulnerability is properly clear.
I think that if someone acts like a powerful natural behavior is this awful thing to be totally avoided that leaves us vulnerable to it when it asserts itself. In those moments we can do everything from looking rediculious to making a mistake we’ll regret. Relatedly I don’t think “venting” exists, that’s practice.
If one accepts their natural feelings, including hate and disgust, as the evolved tools that they are, and that they can be used for good and bad reasons one can choose what to do with them. They’re strong motivation, and they don’t have to be connected to “do something now”. They can also be attached to “plan something later” or other things.
There’s nuance though. I need to take breaks if I get hyper-vigilant (intrusive thoughts keeping me awake). And it’s a good idea to wait a couple of hours before posting responses, sometimes it better to sleep on it.
Meat computers are complicated.
I believe the inclusion of personal features without reason to be a form of bigotry. That insults like to use the body is a feature of the political behavior. I’m still considering how to best overtly attack that. The use of the body in language is complicated to say the least.
I’m aware that there are much broader issues involving “whiteness”. In many parts of the world lighter pigmentation is fetishised for example. I’m speaking from my cultural experience and inheritance.
And I’m confronting a political challenge. I don’t deny the things you mentioned, but what what you suggest? Critisizing irrational political behavior based on a non-existent homosapiens color seems like a good thing right now.