My son’s job takes him to some different places. Guess where?
Every time I talk to him, I remind him to get me some camel spiders, but he always just talks about camel camels. I hope he doesn’t come home with one of those.
There used to be a Saudi blogger, on Blogspot, who called himself “The Religious Policeman” (and no, he was never one of those, he attacked and ridiculed the Saudi Muttawas, religious police, whatever they were officially called, in nearly every other post). He posted lots of cute/amusing photos of camels, sometimes sitting in the beds of pickup trucks.
(He also had some pics of cute stray kittens, with a little note that said “Incidentally, I cannot be traced from these cats. They are long gone.”)
angoratrilobitesays
I was going to say China but those are one-humpers (I forgot the name). Got to be Australia.
numerobissays
Is that what Minnesota looks like in summer?
lasiussays
Considering how widely feral dromedaries are distributed nowadays, it’s interesting to note that before domestication the species was apparently restricted to a small region on the Arabian peninsula. The reason there were no horse or camel-headed gods in Ancient Egypt is that the Egyptians of the Old Kingdom period that built the famous pyramids didn’t know these animals.
Walter Solomonsays
lasius
The reason there were no horse or camel-headed gods in Ancient Egypt is that the Egyptians of the Old Kingdom period that built the famous pyramids didn’t know these animals.
What pulled the chariots?
gijoelsays
@7 Mummies in joggers.
christophsays
@angoratrilobite, # 4: Dromedary
christophsays
@ lasius, # 6: Or maybe they just weren’t considered divine enough to represent gods.
Walter Solomonsays
gijoel @8
Mummies in joggers.
This made think of mummies pulling rickshaws.
robrosays
Walter Solomon @ #7 — I think this answers that question. Definitely horses pulling those chariots, but no camels.
ardipithecussays
The gods were invented before Egyptians knew about horses. Chariots were invented after Egyptians knew about horses.
anatsays
christof @10: Egyptians used donkeys as beasts of burden. This required creating caches of water ahead of time for desert-crossing caravans. (No idea about war chariots, or even when horses arrived in Egypt.)
microraptorsays
@4: The easy way to remember how many humps a camel has is that the dromedary has one hump, like the letter D, and the Bactrian has two humps, like the letter B. Unusually, the domestic Bactrian camel and wild Bactrian camel are two distinct species that had diverged naturally roughly one million years ago
i heard tell domestic bactrian and dromedary can cross-breed and significant camel populations are all hybrid. one hump, but shaggier and bigger than usual.
birgerjohanssonsays
This vista makes me remember when Dybya, Cheney and the bastard Rumsfeld said we did not need to worry about a Vietnam situation, because Vietnam had jungles but the dusty, muslim places were deserts.
Then -as the troops were about to mop up the last taliban- they were diverted to Iraq to destroy ‘weapons of mass destruction’.
You may recall a certain Hans Blix trying to make himself heard above the roar of the propaganda machinery.
Then, Dubya dismissed the whole Iraqi police force. While museums and everything else got looted, assorted religious gangsters grabbed those shiny Kalashnikovs and artillery shells that were left everywhere…
birgerjohanssonsays
My guess is, your son is going to the peninsula sprouting out from another peninsula: Qatar.
Run by a somewhat less vicious dynasty than Saudi, but with an old emir who had a daughter kidnapped and brought home because she wanted to live a life with agency over herself.
birgerjohanssonsays
The least vicious gulf kingdom is the sultanate of Oman. Run by an absolute monarch, but a relatively free place (unless you are one of the East asian migrant workers).
They have a big sect of a puritan, but relatively tolerant sunni group whose name I have forgotten.
If PZ’s son is at a base there, he has won the jackpot.
There are even some montane forests fed directly by the moisture in the air, just about the only forest south of Kurdistan.
birgerjohanssonsays
It might be Jordan. A huge shortage of water, but not like the gulf kingdoms. And a smidgeon of liberty.
ellysays
Since your son is in the Middle East, I’m guessing he’s assigned to either Camp Arifjan or Camp Buehring in Kuwait. Kuwait also has plenty of flat desert and camels, so that’s my guess for the location captured in the pic posted at the top.
As an aside, my son was deployed to Kuwait last year, and hated practically every minute of it. Hope your son is holding up – last year, the daily high temperatures from June – September ranged from 105 – 120 degrees F.
ellysays
Sorry, should have written “If” rather than “Since,” because I don’t know for sure that he’s deployed/on TDY there.
StonedRangersays
My son spent a year in Iraq and two years later spent a year in Kuwait. To say he hated both places would be a generous interpretation of how he said he felt.
lasiussays
@7 Walter Solomon & 12 robro
There were no chariots in the Old Kingdom. Horses and chariots were introduced in the early Middle Kingdom.
Atticus Dogsbodysays
Pine Gap? There’s plenty of camels around there.
cheerfulcharliesays
With the end of the Egyptian – Hittite wars, and a signing of a peace treaty between the two empires, the Hittites sent Rameses II a gift. Chickens. Then unknown in Egypt. Valued in Egypt for their egg laying abilities. There were no chicken headed gods either.
StevoRsays
Looks like the surface of Mars – at least in terms of absence of vegetation and any form of life – apart from the camels!
The blue rather than salmon coloured daylight (presumably? Unless very bright meteor, solar flare or stellar eruption of some variety at time of photographing) sky rules that out at least without a time machine to very early Mars but again, camels so no. Unless we have camels transported by some time machine.. Which is implausible – highly so. Make a great SF story tho’.. (Stephen Baxter did have mammoths on Mars in one novel..See : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mammoth_Trilogy#Icebones )
Wrong species for China and Mongolia from what I gather ’bout camel species distribution and ranges so would be somewhere in Southwest Asia or Oz. Context of deployment of USA military indicates most likely somewhere in SW Asian region.
StevoRsays
.. But does not rule out Oz specifically near Pine Gap as noted by #25 Atticus Dogsbody
seachangesays
reads news
He’s in Chechia!
lasiussays
@29 seachange
He’s in Chechia!
He’s inside a headgear?
birgerjohanssonsays
If he is in Kuwait he will have plenty of time to study the desert topsoil and see if the very sparse vegetation has recovered from all the soot and gunk deposited as Saddam burned all oil fields.
rydansays
There’s a whole batch of camels that live near Wichita Falls, TX or at least there were 20 years ago.
Reginald Selkirk says
It must be Colorado
Ariaflame, BSc, BF, PhD says
Could be Australia. We got lots of camels here.
Raging Bee says
There used to be a Saudi blogger, on Blogspot, who called himself “The Religious Policeman” (and no, he was never one of those, he attacked and ridiculed the Saudi Muttawas, religious police, whatever they were officially called, in nearly every other post). He posted lots of cute/amusing photos of camels, sometimes sitting in the beds of pickup trucks.
(He also had some pics of cute stray kittens, with a little note that said “Incidentally, I cannot be traced from these cats. They are long gone.”)
angoratrilobite says
I was going to say China but those are one-humpers (I forgot the name). Got to be Australia.
numerobis says
Is that what Minnesota looks like in summer?
lasius says
Considering how widely feral dromedaries are distributed nowadays, it’s interesting to note that before domestication the species was apparently restricted to a small region on the Arabian peninsula. The reason there were no horse or camel-headed gods in Ancient Egypt is that the Egyptians of the Old Kingdom period that built the famous pyramids didn’t know these animals.
Walter Solomon says
lasius
What pulled the chariots?
gijoel says
@7 Mummies in joggers.
christoph says
@angoratrilobite, # 4: Dromedary
christoph says
@ lasius, # 6: Or maybe they just weren’t considered divine enough to represent gods.
Walter Solomon says
gijoel @8
This made think of mummies pulling rickshaws.
robro says
Walter Solomon @ #7 — I think this answers that question. Definitely horses pulling those chariots, but no camels.
ardipithecus says
The gods were invented before Egyptians knew about horses. Chariots were invented after Egyptians knew about horses.
anat says
christof @10: Egyptians used donkeys as beasts of burden. This required creating caches of water ahead of time for desert-crossing caravans. (No idea about war chariots, or even when horses arrived in Egypt.)
microraptor says
@4: The easy way to remember how many humps a camel has is that the dromedary has one hump, like the letter D, and the Bactrian has two humps, like the letter B. Unusually, the domestic Bactrian camel and wild Bactrian camel are two distinct species that had diverged naturally roughly one million years ago
Great American Satan says
i heard tell domestic bactrian and dromedary can cross-breed and significant camel populations are all hybrid. one hump, but shaggier and bigger than usual.
birgerjohansson says
This vista makes me remember when Dybya, Cheney and the bastard Rumsfeld said we did not need to worry about a Vietnam situation, because Vietnam had jungles but the dusty, muslim places were deserts.
Then -as the troops were about to mop up the last taliban- they were diverted to Iraq to destroy ‘weapons of mass destruction’.
You may recall a certain Hans Blix trying to make himself heard above the roar of the propaganda machinery.
Then, Dubya dismissed the whole Iraqi police force. While museums and everything else got looted, assorted religious gangsters grabbed those shiny Kalashnikovs and artillery shells that were left everywhere…
birgerjohansson says
My guess is, your son is going to the peninsula sprouting out from another peninsula: Qatar.
Run by a somewhat less vicious dynasty than Saudi, but with an old emir who had a daughter kidnapped and brought home because she wanted to live a life with agency over herself.
birgerjohansson says
The least vicious gulf kingdom is the sultanate of Oman. Run by an absolute monarch, but a relatively free place (unless you are one of the East asian migrant workers).
They have a big sect of a puritan, but relatively tolerant sunni group whose name I have forgotten.
If PZ’s son is at a base there, he has won the jackpot.
There are even some montane forests fed directly by the moisture in the air, just about the only forest south of Kurdistan.
birgerjohansson says
It might be Jordan. A huge shortage of water, but not like the gulf kingdoms. And a smidgeon of liberty.
elly says
Since your son is in the Middle East, I’m guessing he’s assigned to either Camp Arifjan or Camp Buehring in Kuwait. Kuwait also has plenty of flat desert and camels, so that’s my guess for the location captured in the pic posted at the top.
As an aside, my son was deployed to Kuwait last year, and hated practically every minute of it. Hope your son is holding up – last year, the daily high temperatures from June – September ranged from 105 – 120 degrees F.
elly says
Sorry, should have written “If” rather than “Since,” because I don’t know for sure that he’s deployed/on TDY there.
StonedRanger says
My son spent a year in Iraq and two years later spent a year in Kuwait. To say he hated both places would be a generous interpretation of how he said he felt.
lasius says
@7 Walter Solomon & 12 robro
There were no chariots in the Old Kingdom. Horses and chariots were introduced in the early Middle Kingdom.
Atticus Dogsbody says
Pine Gap? There’s plenty of camels around there.
cheerfulcharlie says
With the end of the Egyptian – Hittite wars, and a signing of a peace treaty between the two empires, the Hittites sent Rameses II a gift. Chickens. Then unknown in Egypt. Valued in Egypt for their egg laying abilities. There were no chicken headed gods either.
StevoR says
Looks like the surface of Mars – at least in terms of absence of vegetation and any form of life – apart from the camels!
The blue rather than salmon coloured daylight (presumably? Unless very bright meteor, solar flare or stellar eruption of some variety at time of photographing) sky rules that out at least without a time machine to very early Mars but again, camels so no. Unless we have camels transported by some time machine.. Which is implausible – highly so. Make a great SF story tho’.. (Stephen Baxter did have mammoths on Mars in one novel..See : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mammoth_Trilogy#Icebones )
Wrong species for China and Mongolia from what I gather ’bout camel species distribution and ranges so would be somewhere in Southwest Asia or Oz. Context of deployment of USA military indicates most likely somewhere in SW Asian region.
StevoR says
.. But does not rule out Oz specifically near Pine Gap as noted by #25 Atticus Dogsbody
seachange says
reads news
He’s in Chechia!
lasius says
@29 seachange
He’s inside a headgear?
birgerjohansson says
If he is in Kuwait he will have plenty of time to study the desert topsoil and see if the very sparse vegetation has recovered from all the soot and gunk deposited as Saddam burned all oil fields.
rydan says
There’s a whole batch of camels that live near Wichita Falls, TX or at least there were 20 years ago.