Where could these wacky ideas about physics have come from?
That UFO “whistleblower,” David Grusch, who so captivated Tucker Carlson with his credibility, is back and singing like a canary. He’s spilling all the beans about America’s secret UFO program.
Grusch, who received a college scholarship from the Air Force to study physics, did not describe the unusual aircraft as technology from another planet.
I don’t want to necessarily denote origin,he said.I don’t think we have all the data to say, Oh, they’re coming from a certain location.Grusch proposed the vehicles the Pentagon is hiding could have come from a different physical dimension as described in quantum mechanics, saying,We know there are extra dimensions due to high-energy particle collisions, etc., and there’s a theoretical framework to explain that.
It could be that this is not necessarily extraterrestrial and actually that it’s coming from a higher-dimensional physical space that might be co-located right here,he said.In the interview, Grusch reiterated that he has not personally seen the evidence of nonhuman technology but that intelligence officials he spoke with as part of his role on the UFO task force have told him of its existence.
Grusch came so close to the truth. Of these UFOs he has never seen and never witnessed any physical evidence of their existence, he concluded I remember interviewing these personnel and thinking, Either these people are lying to me, having a psychotic break, or this is some crazy but true stuff that’s happening.
But somehow he accepted his third option.
So the UFO version of the infamous C.S Lewis Trilemma, and just as convincing.
Of course, the idea that there are crazy but true things happening with totally terrestrial origination, with no quantumn* entanglements, is also discounted. The military has created some crazy shit over the years — most of it not successfully (I give you the Goblin and the Flying Pancake). My uncle worked for the Pentagon as an engineer in weapons procurement. Of course, almost all of what he did was top secret, but he did say that some of the ideas, mockups, scale working models, and prototypes coming out of Nevada made Star Wars look tame.
I try to use this spelling when the ideas of quantum physics are used to support woo and/or conspiracy. Though we are a little past the quantumnal equinox for this shit, but . . . .
What the heck? My second * (for the footnote) got censored? Only one per post?
In other words, they had him on, and probably laughed at his gullibility.
Gad, the very next paragraph:
Apparently Grush is only a low-level peon if they haven’t let him in on the Illuminati connections yet.
This is String Theory.
.1. String theory has 11 dimensions total, 7 more than the 4 dimensions we commonly perceive. In some versions it is 10 or 26.
But these extra dimensions are very small, so small we can’t see them with our instruments. Any space ships coming out of the higher dimensions would be so small, they would think an electron is the size of the earth.
.2. String theory hasn’t been proven either.
Those extra dimensions are hypothetical and might not even exist.
He would have been more convincing if he just said they are from another space-time continuum in the Multiverse and left it at that.
The fundies believe UFOs are real but are piloted by demons from hell.
So this guy never reads science fiction?
US government contradicts UFO whistleblower’s claims of possible ‘extraterrestrial materials’
Of course they denied it, therefore it must be true.
Meanwhile, in Las Vegas:
Did Night Vision Footage Show ’10ft Alien’ From Las Vegas UFO Crash Report?
“Is Betteridge’s Law of headlines obsolete?”
Yes, it got censored. Someone will be knocking on your door in about 5 minutes. Put a sofa pillow over your face and call out loudly, “I am not home!”
The government has known all about the space aliens for decades! Surely you saw the documentary, The Rocky Horror Picture Show!
No, I’m not replacing either your monitor or keyboard, you spewed that coffee, not me.
The DoD does have teams to recover wayward equipment, ours, other nation’s (such as, oh, “weather balloons” from a certain China who shall not be named), the infrasax dimension (I hesitate to mention alien dimensional saxophones, as honestly, they sound terrible). Oddly, they don’t find infrasaxophones, they do find balloons, satellites, rocket debris, drones and are routinely sent fleeing from hostile mother-in-laws.
They also occasionally hire an alien consultant, Mork or Mark from Orkin to control alien office pests, as well as a few varieties of domestic office pests that are decidedly non-human, human office pests being beyond the scope of work for Orkin’s contract. Or perhaps, it was another pest control company. I’d check with the pest control officer, but nobody really gives a damn.
Besides, what would this guy know? He doesn’t have a DOE Q clearance, so he’s not cleared about Trope Seekrit.
As Carl Sagan said in The Demon Haunted World, during the Cold War it was considerably less embarrassing to claim that unexplained lights in the sky were UFOs from another planet than admit that Soviet spy planes could make it all the way to Kansas City or St Louis without being detected.
Because of course military intelligence officials would never lie! As a class, they’re notorious for being scrupulously honest in all circumstances. It would certainly never even occur to them to deliberately promulgate misinformation to help provide cover for classified activites.
Hey, that quantum mechanics is powerful stuff. It explains so much. Amazing how a single word can explain practically anything.
Wait until I tell him about my daughter’s quantum-entangled cats. My daughter has two cats, siblings, similar in appearance with minor variations. They can switch places instantaneously at a distance. One is in the living room, the other is in the kitchen, and when I look again, they’ve switched. Yup, it’s quantum. I mean, there’s a theoretical framework and stuff.
Either I’m lying, I’ve had a psychotic break, or it’s crazy but true stuff that’s happening!
Or I’m full of shit, or maybe just mistaken. Could it be…?
Nope, it’s quantum all the way down.
The lights sometimes seen at a place in Texas have been confirmed to be mirages – a rare optical phenomenon refracts car lights from a road below the horizon.
A valley in Norway has optical phenomena that are harder to explain. Maybe piezoelectric effects from rocks under pressure.
feralboy12:
Many years ago, we had 3.5 cats. I would get up in the morning and the cats would be sleeping on Wife. Zonked out. So I would perform my morning rituals, put on my uniform, and, after kissing Wife goodbye, and scratching the zonked cats, go downstairs to make lunch. And, upon arriving downstairs, I would see the same 3.5 cats draped about the living room a la Dali. They never passed me on the stairs. Catikenesis is real. Not sure if it involves quantumn or not, but it is real.
Every time an Air Force colonel or NSA security analyst comes out to claim Top Seekrit information that aliens are real, it makes the idea even less plausible than before. Such characters would absolutely be constrained by NDAs or security clearances with real teeth. The fact that they weren’t arrested mid-interview and shuffled off to an undisclosed location clearly demonstrates that they are NOT revealing any top secret information, and are either making shit up, or are delivering the officially approved counterintelligence.
It doesn’t matter, we’re all just holographs anyway. I saw it on the Science Channel last night.
Why are higher order dimensions considered by so many to be other places that things can come from, like Oslo or Santiago? They are not different places, they are the same region but with the requirement that additional coordinates are needed to pinpoint a specific location.
Things can’t come from the 5th dimension any more than you can go to a rectangle and be 2 dimensional.
Oggie @2: weirdly I was just going off at length about the XF-85 Goblin to a friend yesterday. Coincidence? Or quantum entanglement?
(The answer is neither, I have thought about that weird little guy more days than not, from the moment I saw one on display at Wright-Patterson.)
They say one in ten people is crazy. Look at your nine closest friends. If they’re okay, it’s you.
ardipithecus, the secret is, “Remember to take that right turn in Albuquerque,” and you, too, and get there. With Bugs Bunny.
raven @ 6, don’t forget, fundies think that luciferin and luciferase are from the devil, which is why Lucifer is in their names. I guess the scientist that discovered them got promoted to gawd.
“We know there are extra dimensions due to high-energy particle collisions, etc., and there’s a theoretical framework to explain that.” – We did the experiments, yes, but we haven’t been able to detect tiny dimensions. The theory was that the reason gravity is so weak is because it’s “leaking” down the other dimensions. During the last run LHC looked for the leak and found nothing.
That’s not to say there is no leak, but we certainly have no experimental evidence at this time. At this point the mathematical basis for more than three spatial and one temporal dimension is all we have.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/gravity-doesnt-leak-large-hidden-dimensions
It was a left toin at Albequoique. This dimensional stuff is complicated.
@9 I have pictures of the ten foot aliens also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube_man
Bugs Bunny is a Leftist? Does this mean that DeSantis will go after Warner Brothers next?
I get there are alien visitors, but are they extra-terrestrial or are they demons?
If they come from the fifth dimension, isn’t it necessary now to trick them into saying their own names backward?
Science fiction isn’t necessarily a good guide, given that good aliens typically don’t make for good box office.
Why would aliens want to enslave us when they can simply make machines, robots, and AIs that are much more efficient, hardy, and would not have a propensity for going on strike or fomenting rebellion? Why would they want to harvest our planet for raw materials when there’s nothing on Earth that isn’t available in greater abundance elsewhere in the solar system? If they’re interested in our biological assets, or culture, or knowledge, by far the easiest and most efficient way to get it would be to trade for it.
Even if they were scared we would somehow unleash holy hell on the galaxy one day if we’re left alone, we would be so hopelessly outgunned (space is the ultimate high ground in any battle) that they would have centuries to take action if they suspected we were planning anything nefarious.
Sure, they could all be genocidal religious zealots, but in that case, there’s nothing we could do about it anyway, so why waste time worrying about that eventuality?
tacitus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey
SF is a very rich vein; for example, we are the aliens in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_(2009_film)
Been done; a recent example: the Festival in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_Sky
How to test a candidate for a hih security clearance. Make them privy to exciting secrets that are actually BS. See if they blab about it or treat as a security item.
DanDare@32–
Excellent hypothesis! With the added benefit of testing critical faculties at the same time.
tacitus @ 30, not true at all. An example is the asteroid belt. While rare earth metals and precious metals are more easily available on asteroids, the entire collection of asteroids couldn’t come close to the mass and size of our moon.
And there’s that whole life thing going on on earth. That said, they’d have likely passed hundreds of super earths to get to our middling planet, where mineral resources would abound and far, far, far easier pickings in accretion zones around protostars and young stars.
Still, just sitting out a bit and listening to our broadcasts would give ample warning to stay away from the Asshole Planet. Lest a scene from Spaceballs ensue, “I’m surrounded by Assholes”. I’d stay a minimum of 1 AU away, just out of an abundance of caution for my own safety.
As for colliders and detecting other ‘verses, the LHC is the biggest game in town that we have, but there is bigger – our upper atmosphere. Far, far, far more energetic particles come blazing in from deep space at energy levels that make CERN drool in envy. Not controllable, but with enough detectors at altitude and in orbit, we could leverage those high energy monsters when they occasionally come in. Even then, we’d have to look for energy levels that’d be milliseconds at most, more likely picoseconds post big bang to find anything.
DanDare @ 32, that kind of is a thing. It’s a really old trick to find a leak, give different people different stories that are juicy and of interest, see which version gets leaked. Then, investigate the leaker to hell and gone. Usually takes a long time, especially when building a case, but look at how long and 300 agents that it took to net Hanssen. The same smiling file photograph one finds looking him up today is used in security clearance briefings on detecting insider threats.
wzrd1:
Why?
All in the Family
House
Still, just sitting out a bit and listening to our broadcasts would give ample warning to stay away from the Asshole Planet.
They would see how, in our newsreels we encounter extraterrestrials and, with the exception of they few that James T Kirk makes out with, we wipe them all out. We blow up deathstars and planets, steal flying saucers, hack motherships, drop temblor bombs on Kikrath, etc etc. We are badass interplanetary xenocidal unstoppable followers of the prime directive.
Any intelligent species that saw humanity’s brag reels would nudge a dozen asteroids at Earth, the moon, and Mars – it’s the only way to be sure.
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I do love the conceit of a human who insinuates humans aren’t an intelligent species thinking an intelligent species would worry about humans’ puff and thus exterminate them.
(Was a conceit in the Golden Age; dunno how many stories I’ve read where the humans turn out to be the most fierce, the wiliest, the most fearsome species around, but more than a few)
feralboy12, only riffing, not disputing.
Heh.
Quoting Wikipedia: “The word quantum is the neuter singular of the Latin interrogative adjective quantus, meaning “how much”.”
String theory huh? Microscopic epicircles.
@Oggie: Mathom : “What the heck? My second * (for the footnote) got censored? Only one per post?”
For some weird reason this blog eats asterisks that aen’t accompanied by say a . first eg. * disappears if used footnote style but..
.* works and shows up. Udsually? Beats me why.
@ erik333 : Ya reckon the astrophysicists / cosmologists here are just stringing us along then? ;-)
Every time, always ends in some BS. Super advanced aliens with technology we can’t understand, yet somehow they just can’t nail a landing. When we discover alien life, it won’t be from some dodgy dude saying a friend of a friend heard something about a thing once.
@ StevoR
The asterisk is interpreted as markup. That is
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To prevent that you use an escape character, which is the backslash.
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I fucking wish!
The lights sometimes seen at a place in Texas have been confirmed to be mirages – a rare optical phenomenon refracts car lights from a road below the horizon.
I remember seeing something similar one night while driving through the Irish countryside. I thought “Northern Lights” at first, but it was all the same white as standard car headlights.
@Silentbob : Thanks.
Just wish they’d fix it so asterisks could work here as generally (?) intended. Footnotes-signifying~wise.
Any intelligent species that saw humanity’s brag reels would nudge a dozen asteroids at Earth, the moon, and Mars – it’s the only way to be sure.
Actually, they’d probably laugh their butts off, then shake their heads in sadness and think “Yo, we got our ecosystems and resource management under control LONG before we found you!”
Then maybe they’d pull a “Day the Earth Stood Still” and declare our biosphere a Galactic Heritage Site…
The lights phenomena is a Fata Morgana, light bent by atmospheric inversion layers. Usually, they turn out to be headlights on a distant highway, occasionally, city lights or even a distant storm’s lightning.
Alt-X, yeah, we’ll fine alien life – viewed through a microscope.
Raging Bee, children do need to learn from their own mistakes. Declare a preserve, contact contraindicated, monitor from a distance and move on.