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  1. raven says

    We are now past the “Hiss if it hurts stage.”
    We are now past, “The GOP/christofascists took away our reproductive rights, so let’s beat up on the Democrats stage.”
    We are now in the, “Where do we go from here stage” also known as, “Deal with it.”

    The next fight is just getting started. It is going to go on forever.
    And, it is going to be as vicious and ugly as when the so-called pro-lifers assassinate MDs and bomb clinics.
    The next wars will be to make the abortion drugs RU-486 and misoprostol illegal.
    And to prevent pregnant women from traveling out of state.

    The federal government, meanwhile, faces a choice over how to deal with states that seek to ban Food and Drug Administration-approved abortion medication, now used in about half of pregnancy terminations.
    nbc.com June 27, 2022, 1:54 PM PDT By Ken Dilanian

    There’s another War Between the States coming over abortion

    The Supreme Court’s abortion decision is likely to set off a wave of legal and political disputes among states and the federal government unlike anything seen since the years before the Civil War, legal experts say.

    With some states allowing private lawsuits against out-of-state abortion providers — and other states prohibiting cooperation with abortion investigations — the abortion issue is likely to pit state law enforcement agencies and court systems against one another in dramatic fashion.
    The federal government, meanwhile, faces a choice over how to deal with states that seek to ban Food and Drug Administration-approved abortion medication, now used in about half of pregnancy terminations.
    And whatever the Biden administration does, federal policy could change dramatically if the Republicans take the White House.

    Experts say it is conceivable that a person could be wanted for a felony in an anti-abortion rights state but protected from extradition in a pro-abortion rights state. The governor of Massachusetts has already imposed rules forbidding state officers from cooperating in abortion investigations. California’s governor signed a bill seeking to protect from civil liability anyone providing, aiding or receiving abortion care in the state. Texas law, however, lets private citizens sue out-of-state abortion providers, and Missouri is considering a similar law.

    “What we had in the years leading up to the Civil War was a failure of what lawyers call comity, the idea that states will respect other states’ laws” for reasons of courtesy, consideration and mutual respect, said Ariela J. Gross, a professor of law and history at the University of Southern California Gould School of Law. “That starts to break down when you have these really stark differences over an issue involving a fundamental right, and that’s what happened in the years leading up to the Civil War.”

    Blue states will begin to see ‘reproductive refugees’ because of ruling, says professor
    June 27, 202205:50
    After the passage of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, federal statutes required Northern states to assist Southern slave owners and their bounty hunters in capturing enslaved people who had escaped north to states that had banned slavery. But many Northern states passed laws to impede cooperation and enforcement.

    The parallel to abortion is that “you literally are pursuing people across state borders for seeking medical care that is legal,” said Sara Rosenbaum, a professor of health law and policy at the George Washington University School of Public Health and Health Services. “It’s a completely mind-blowing concept.”

    Legal disputes between the states are not uncommon, even over big social issues. An example is cannabis — legal right now in some states, illegal in others. But no other recent issue of dispute among the states comes close in terms of its implications — and the passion on both sides of the argument — as abortion.

    “It’s one thing to have states fighting with each other about a tax on interstate cargo or mudflaps on trucks,” said Wendy Parmet, a professor of law and public policy at the Northeastern University School of Public Policy and Urban Affairs. “It’s not the kind of thing that tens of thousands of people take to the streets over. … We certainly have not seen since the Civil War these kinds of conflicts between the states in a context of such heightened controversy and anger.”

    Many pro-abortion rights states moved quickly after the Supreme Court decision.

    Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker, a moderate Republican, signed an executive order Friday that prohibits any executive agency from assisting another state’s investigation into a person or entity for receiving or delivering reproductive health services that are legal in Massachusetts.

    The order also seeks to protect Massachusetts providers who deliver abortion services from losing their professional licenses or receiving other professional discipline stemming from out-of-state charges.

    And it decrees that Massachusetts will not cooperate with extradition requests from other states pursuing criminal charges against people who received, assisted with or performed reproductive health services that are legal in Massachusetts.

    Democratic New York Gov. Kathy Hochul signed legislation Monday that shields providers and patients from civil liability in connection with abortion-related claims from out of state.

    Her office said the legislation also prohibits state courts from cooperating in civil or criminal lawsuits stemming from abortions that take place legally in New York and prohibits law enforcement from cooperating with anti-abortion states’ investigations into New York abortions.

    “Today, we are taking action to protect our service providers from the retaliatory actions of anti-abortion states and ensure that New York will always be a safe harbor for those seeking reproductive healthcare,” Hochul said in a statement.

  2. raven says

    The tl;dr version.
    The battles between the female slavers and pro-choicers are just getting started.

    .1. The GOP/christofascists are already attempting to outlaw the abortion drugs.
    (It’s not clear to me that the Blue states could just make them nonprescription and over the counter.)
    .2. The GOP states will attempt to limit the freedom of movement and travel of pregnant women.
    This is slavery.
    .3. They will also attempt to charge women who travel out of state for abortions with first degree murder.
    This is going to be difficult because state laws end at state borders.
    OTOH, with the current Supreme Court, they can make up any laws they want so who knows.
    It’s clear that the Blue states aren’t going to be extradicting female abortion refugees to Red States.

    .4. The forced birthers aren’t going to be all that successful no matter how many women they execute.
    Most Red state women will travel out of state or go the DIY route.
    Out of 800,000 abortions per year done in the USA, probably the number will decrease by 100,000, meaning 100,000 additional unwanted babies will be born to mostly young, poor, and nonwhite women.

    .5. This is not as certain, but it is likely in the Red states that someone will look at the Gestapo, Stasi, and KGB and set up the Zygote Police, or ZyPos for short. A dedicated police force to harass and arrest young women. Because the GOP is all about freedom and rights.

  3. birgerjohansson says

    Meanwhile, people are working on ways to 3D-print assault rifles. No outporing of censure.

  5. beholder says

    It’s short and to the point, and might become illegal soon.

    Perfect for the deep web, then. Keep those Tor browsers up-to-date and keep those onion links circulating.

  7. StevoR says

    @ ^ wzrd1 : That’s just staggering or at least it should be and is to me.

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    Good resource here – will share. Thanks.