The evil cat is insisting she knows more about kraken than poopyhead?
anchorsays
Many of us are already there then. It just feels like an eternity as soon as some wise guy starts blabbing.
slithey tove (twas brillig (stevem))says
Exactly, “hell” is mythical.
Real hell is created by men (specifically gendered) to torment other people (NB). “Hell”, really is getting lectured in one’s field of expertise by a random dilettante. THAT is hell.
Hm. Replace “Tony” with “your manager” and it is perfect reflection of corporate segment as I know it. As an expert in my field of work I was forced to work under such a manager for years, and it sure was hell when that idiot tried to “optimize” my work.
unclefrogysays
I have read some where that the internet is self correcting therefore I am sorry but I have to disagree!
uncle frogy
gijoelsays
So they’ve renamed the youtube comments section as Hell now have they?
I recently read a highly critical review of a book series I loved as a kid (Thomas Covenant), but can’t stand as an adult. I didn’t realize how poorly written it was until I escaped adolescence. This extremely well written, detailed and insightful review was commended upon by some kid who loved the books. The kid attacked the other reviewer in a poorly written, puerile conglomeration of sentences, and concluded with the suggestion that the first reviewer “give up reading”. I wonder if the kid will grow up enough to see 1) how bad the books really are, 2) how accurate the first review was, and 3) what a stupid little shit he used to be.
DanDaresays
Im a long time D&D GM. I currently have 6 teenage rules lawyers at my table. The nightmare is without end.
redwoodsays
@8 Matt G
I recently read the first book in the Thomas Covenant series but lost all interest in it when the main character raped a young woman who was helping him. I actually kept reading to see what consequences he would suffer but although he kind of regretted it at some point later in the story, nothing bad happened to him. I won’t ever read anything else by Donaldson.
Your story is like the Tarzan series by Edgar Rice Burroughs for me. I loved reading all of them (22 books?) as a kid but when I started rereading one a few years ago I was astonished at the poor writing and blatant racism, things I hadn’t noticed when I was younger.
Artorsays
Matt G, YOU were that kid, weren’t you?
Joey Maloneysays
@10 redwood
Marion Zimmer Bradley’s Darkover series for me. Attempts at rereading the books post-adolescence foundered on the overwrought emotionalism paired with the overripe prose. And that was before the more recent revelations of what an awful person she was.
methuseussays
@10 redwood:
I recently read the first book in the Thomas Covenant series but lost all interest in it when the main character raped a young woman who was helping him. I actually kept reading to see what consequences he would suffer but although he kind of regretted it at some point later in the story, nothing bad happened to him. I won’t ever read anything else by Donaldson.
I tried reading this book when I was in middle school. I closed the book after realizing he raped that woman. About 3 months later I continued reading the book to see, as you did, what consequences he would suffer. Once I got through about 2/3rds of the book with no consequences in sight, I stopped reading the book permanently and even threw it away, along with the sequels my father had bought for me. I couldn’t bear the thought, at 12, that someone else would read a book where there was no consequence for a rape.
Arnaudsays
Well… at least it mirrors reality. In the real world most rapists go unpunished. But it is true that Donaldson seems to have a bit of a… fetish, shall I say? with rape. The Gap series is another example of very questionable sexual politics.
This, and the ever increasing self-referential and esoteric nature of his work, is also why I gave up on Alan Moore a while ago.
But, I think, maybe our honoured host was refereing here to the Roman Britain diversity controversy that erupted on Twitter a few days ago. As a big fan of Mary Beard I must say it really annoyed me to see all the MRA and various dudebros piling up on her like that and insisting they knew more on the subject than people who had spent their lives studying it…
Matt Gsays
I didn’t mean to go off topic. I just wanted to give a recent, painfully ironic example of the phenomena addressed in the comic, namely clueless, self unaware people criticizing intelligent, knowledgeable people.
And no, I was never as stupid as that kid!
chigau (違う)says
What is Tony’s punishment?
jtdavi3says
The medical analogue of this is the patient who has googled and made their own diagnosis. And I work in peds, so it’s parents diagnosing their own children and thinking I don’t know what I’m talking about since I only have med school, residency, fellowship, and the experience of my career to go on…
Also: everyone who believes in alternative medicine, naturopathy, etc…
woozysays
What is Tony’s punishment?
Nothing. He’s in heaven.
Which raises the question what was the Professor’s sin and what was Tony’s virtue?
The evil cat is insisting she knows more about kraken than poopyhead?
Many of us are already there then. It just feels like an eternity as soon as some wise guy starts blabbing.
Exactly, “hell” is mythical.
Real hell is created by men (specifically gendered) to torment other people (NB). “Hell”, really is getting lectured in one’s field of expertise by a random dilettante. THAT is hell.
Hm. Replace “Tony” with “your manager” and it is perfect reflection of corporate segment as I know it. As an expert in my field of work I was forced to work under such a manager for years, and it sure was hell when that idiot tried to “optimize” my work.
I have read some where that the internet is self correcting therefore I am sorry but I have to disagree!
uncle frogy
So they’ve renamed the youtube comments section as Hell now have they?
L’enfer, c’est youtube.
I recently read a highly critical review of a book series I loved as a kid (Thomas Covenant), but can’t stand as an adult. I didn’t realize how poorly written it was until I escaped adolescence. This extremely well written, detailed and insightful review was commended upon by some kid who loved the books. The kid attacked the other reviewer in a poorly written, puerile conglomeration of sentences, and concluded with the suggestion that the first reviewer “give up reading”. I wonder if the kid will grow up enough to see 1) how bad the books really are, 2) how accurate the first review was, and 3) what a stupid little shit he used to be.
Im a long time D&D GM. I currently have 6 teenage rules lawyers at my table. The nightmare is without end.
@8 Matt G
I recently read the first book in the Thomas Covenant series but lost all interest in it when the main character raped a young woman who was helping him. I actually kept reading to see what consequences he would suffer but although he kind of regretted it at some point later in the story, nothing bad happened to him. I won’t ever read anything else by Donaldson.
Your story is like the Tarzan series by Edgar Rice Burroughs for me. I loved reading all of them (22 books?) as a kid but when I started rereading one a few years ago I was astonished at the poor writing and blatant racism, things I hadn’t noticed when I was younger.
Matt G, YOU were that kid, weren’t you?
@10 redwood
Marion Zimmer Bradley’s Darkover series for me. Attempts at rereading the books post-adolescence foundered on the overwrought emotionalism paired with the overripe prose. And that was before the more recent revelations of what an awful person she was.
@10 redwood:
I tried reading this book when I was in middle school. I closed the book after realizing he raped that woman. About 3 months later I continued reading the book to see, as you did, what consequences he would suffer. Once I got through about 2/3rds of the book with no consequences in sight, I stopped reading the book permanently and even threw it away, along with the sequels my father had bought for me. I couldn’t bear the thought, at 12, that someone else would read a book where there was no consequence for a rape.
Well… at least it mirrors reality. In the real world most rapists go unpunished. But it is true that Donaldson seems to have a bit of a… fetish, shall I say? with rape. The Gap series is another example of very questionable sexual politics.
This, and the ever increasing self-referential and esoteric nature of his work, is also why I gave up on Alan Moore a while ago.
But, I think, maybe our honoured host was refereing here to the Roman Britain diversity controversy that erupted on Twitter a few days ago. As a big fan of Mary Beard I must say it really annoyed me to see all the MRA and various dudebros piling up on her like that and insisting they knew more on the subject than people who had spent their lives studying it…
I didn’t mean to go off topic. I just wanted to give a recent, painfully ironic example of the phenomena addressed in the comic, namely clueless, self unaware people criticizing intelligent, knowledgeable people.
And no, I was never as stupid as that kid!
What is Tony’s punishment?
The medical analogue of this is the patient who has googled and made their own diagnosis. And I work in peds, so it’s parents diagnosing their own children and thinking I don’t know what I’m talking about since I only have med school, residency, fellowship, and the experience of my career to go on…
Also: everyone who believes in alternative medicine, naturopathy, etc…
Nothing. He’s in heaven.
Which raises the question what was the Professor’s sin and what was Tony’s virtue?
Or maybe the God/Devil judge is just an asshole.
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