Vox Day started to make a list of all SJWs — he calls it a complete catalog
. Well, good, I thought, it could be handy to know who all the decent people are. Unfortunately, it’s very short, so I think he’s missing a lot of people, and also, weirdly, it includes people like Ben Shapiro, far right fanatic and former editor at Breitbart.
So it’s more of a list of people Vox Day doesn’t like.
It is kind of a strange obsession that some of the worst people on the internet have, of maintaining Enemies Lists and threatening to put people on it if they get out of line, as if anyone has ever been intimidated by such a fate, and as if being put on a List was significant. Anyone remember the List Lord of Talk.Origins, Peter Nyikos? I think I was on a few of his Lists. It was mainly good for a laugh.
Well, that’s just a tad Stalinist.
Enemies list???? Too much work. Hate takes effort. I prefer to point and laugh.
Bleh, I’m on a few lists, including an antivaxer shit list, as I’m pro vaccine.
I’ve even had one enterprising individual both dox me and threaten to come into my home, murder all present, rape my wife, then murder me. I explained what happens to uninvited visitors that force their way into the home before the police can respond.
The enterprising individual ceased and desisted in the idiotic threats, all in the house remained alive and well until after dad entered hospice and subsequently passed away. The latter, having nothing whatsoever to do with the enterprising individual.
After all, bowling balls can wreak havoc on an intruder’s pedicure. :)
Assuming that they get past my booby trap system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WZLJpMOxS4
It’s funny when it’s a powerless douchebag on the internet, less so when it’s someone who could actually hurt you.
This reminds me of a cartoon I saw about a character who’s life’s ambition was to become a movie star and had a list of all the people he was going to make a point of not liking once he became famous.
The problem with enemies lists are, if you ever happen to spend time with someone you thought was your enemy, they’re likely to do something you approve of. And then someone you thought was on your side stabs you in the back, and there’s your list blown all to heck.
Why, it’s almost as if every human was a unique mixture of qualities, not a member of the white-hat or black-hat faction. Most people tend to figure that out when they reach the mental age of twelve, so give Vox Day time — he might still get there.
Another problem with keeping a public list of enemies, if something happens to one, law enforcement suddenly gets very, very interested in repeatedly talking to you.
I want to be on the list of “people who are not on any lists”
Stephen Colbert’s Comedy Central right-wing persona really was a comic genius:
Whoops — try again:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z152/UCLABruinKid/Huckabee-on-notice.jpg
I just rly rly rly ♥ ♥ ♥ that picture.
It is just soooo cuuuuute.
My List of People Who Are Currently On My List of People is as follows:
PZ Myers
Marcus Ranum
Stephen Hawking
John Barrowman
Laverne Cox
Elizabeth Warren
Jane Goodall
Maurice McDonald
Alton Brown
Kate Brown
One’s mother-in-law maintains her own list. The shit list.
The point of keeping an enemies list is the hope of being as prescient as the Hitchhiker’s Guide:
I wonder if one can make a request to be added to the list? A point of pride, it would be.
Given the amount of whining there’s been in response to the shared block lists on Twitter, it might just be textbook projections. People who care about being on some list somewhere might assume the same applies to the people they see as enemies, even if said enemies (e.g. us lot) tend not to.
You’re not on it. So much for completeness!
@15 Robert Westbrook: That’s my thought. It would really screw with their minds, for one thing.
It’s almost as if Vox has lots and lots of free time on his hands and nothing fun to spend it on.
He says that the names on the list are ordered last name/first name except they aren’t.
funny thing I learned about enemies which I am pretty sure is true for lists of enemies. When you have an enemy you have to spend a lot of time thinking about them and a lot of time hating, a lot of time worrying about what they are doing and thinking. I realized life is too short to be spending all of my waking hours with my enemies running around in my head.
i am glad that this “dude” has such an engrossing hobby of making enemies lists. what a chump!
uncle frogy
If it weren’t framed as an “enemies list”, and if it were more accurate and
comprehensive, it would be useful.
Having been singled out by a leading dudebro, PZ Myers should definitely be
on there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BfEgGkEmZ4
(A dudebro list would be helpful)
@ wzrd1 Your mother in law is a proctologist or a sanitary engineer? Does she use the Bristol Stool Chart?
Enemies list!
1. Nixon had a formal list, revealed by John Dean.
2. Leonard Bernstein found out about said list, and
3. Requested to be included on said Nixon’s enemies list, and
4. Nixon’s people duly added Leonard Bernstein to their list.
A classic moment in Western civilization.
I like the part near the bottom about getting removed from the list:
“please contact the site administrator. (Mailto link here, please.)”
So, serious question, what do I have to do to get on this list? Publicly state that women should have the right to vote? Or that black people are not inferior to white people? Either of those things is enough to hurt Vox Day’s feelings beyond repair.
He’s got John Scalzi on there, of course.
I’m just a bit surprised that the name doesn’t stand out at all. I would expect it to look more like:
John Scaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalzi!!!!!!
@brucegee
The problem with enemies lists are, if you ever happen to spend time with someone you thought was your enemy, they’re likely to do something you approve of. And then someone you thought was on your side stabs you in the back, and there’s your list blown all to heck.
That’s not how enemy lists work. It doesn’t matter if an enemy does something you approve of, they stay an enemy who happens to have been useful once. And a friend who stabs you in the back? immediately goes on the enemy list and similarly stays there forever.
I’m amazed he forgot to put PZ on the list, but I’m sure he’ll get around to it soon.
Apparently you can get on the list simply by signing a petition VD doesn’t agree with, such as the Statement to LambdaConf. If that’s all it takes, I’m sure this list will be wrapping around the block twice in no time.
Back in, I guess, the 1990’s, I was surprised to discover myself on a “List of Internet Atheists” (based on Usenet posts). I was never quite sure what the purpose of that list was, but I was still kind of pleased that I made the cut.
I have a list. It’s to starboard.
If someone on your enemies list does something “good” then it’s because they’re a hypocrite, or they’re trying to dupe people into thinking they’re one of the “good guys.”
Lists can often be used as a “therapy” [not scare quotes, but emphasis]. A way to clear annoying minutia from ones thought processes. So maybe he had this jumble of names in his head of people he hates, clouding up all his other nonthoughts. Putting them all in a list can clear them out and let his nonthoughts flow freely.
Maintaining, publishing, and checking such a list as this one removes it from therapy category and puts it in the asshole tool category.
In response, let’s start a List of Antisocial Injustice Assholes, with Vox as first.
slithey tove @ 32:
Why? Even if I had the time, I couldn’t be arsed. If there’s someone out there who doesn’t know VD is a dedicated doucheweasel, it would take them about 10 seconds to figure it out.
Insert obligatory Gilbert & Sullivan reference about Having A Little List….
@30 Thanks, Menyambal. I laughed out loud.
What did Wil Wheaton do to be on there?
Rorschach:
He’s a known SJW, and pals around with people like Scalzi.
The horror!
The US government has an enemies list. If you are on it, you cannot fly to the States. You cannot find out in advance that you are on it. If you are refused permission to board the aircraft, you cannot find out why — which means, in at least some cases, the airline gets to keep the money you paid because reasons…
If you do manage to board, your flight may be redirected to a non-States airport, where you will be ejected. (Why you are considered too dangerous to be allowed into the States, but Ok for, say, Canada, is a mystery.) If you do manage to make it to the States, you will be refused entry. Again, you cannot find out why, so you may (at the least) loose the monies you paid.
And if you happen to come from a land full of brown people, you will be shot from a drone once you manage to return home.
There is no known procedure for being taken off the list. The process by which someone is added to the list is opaque.
Look, I think it’s clear that I’m a Social Justice Warrior.
I am not on the Vox Day list.
Therefore, Mr. Beale has committed the sin he himself has portrayed as the most unpardonable ever: failing the test of historical verisimilitude. Oh, Mr. Beale, has it really come to this?
Oh, and BTW? Rule #8 on that wikilist is absolutely freaking laugh-out-loud funny:
Oh, Mr Beale! You slay me! You slay me in the same with the same historical verisimilitude as an orc raiding party!
rorschach:
Well, there’s Wheaton’s Law, named after something he said, which is ‘don’t be a dick’. Vox Day violates this practically hourly, so maybe he doesn’t like it very much, and blames Wil Wheaton for it.
Oh, and I was noticing people asking how they, too, can be put on the list.
Well, Mr. Beale has given us a handy list (how about that?):
Obviously, for a writer, this is particularly poor writing. While, yes, there are 3 criteria, it appears that none of the 3 are necessary and each of the 3 is sufficient on its own. He may talk about shunning/silencing/exclusion as the reason to put someone on the list (though he says nothing about context, like, hey, I’m on a host/welcome committee for a conference for queer women of color. What if I tell someone, accurately, that as someone who is not a queer woman of color they can attend but must respect that certain events, workshops, & spaces will be exclusively for women of color and that failing to respect that rule will get someone excluded from the remainder of the conference? What if I’m asked to be the person to ask someone not respect that rule to leave the conference, and then actually enforce that rule? Or…hey? What if Beale is throwing a conference and Scalzi wants to speak at a plenary session? Does Beale go on the list if he tells other organizers he is against giving Scalzi a platform at their event? Inquiring minds & such.)
He wants to pretend that these 3 criteria are linked and that none are independently sufficient, of course. He wants to pretend that in order to make it seem that if you are on the list it is solely because you have committed a truly unjust act (in his version of “justice”). Under the section, “Why am I on the list?” Mr Beale writes:
But…no.
I can confirm that at least 3 of the people on the list are not journalists.
I cannot confirm, but find it reasonable to believe that at least some of the people on the list do not self-identify as SJWs. Therefore, criterion 2, at least, appears to be sufficient. And yet we have no convincing evidence that it is necessary. It also appears that being a journalist publishing articles that Mr Beale would characterize in a certain unflattering way is also a sufficient cause. In this case, merely scribing “articles that support the SJW Narrative” must be sufficient. (Or, at worst, can be sufficient when combined with SJW self-identification.)
There is every reason to believe, then, that given this clearly isn’t a list where all criteria must be met, it is a list where someone may be included on the SJW list when any criterion is met.
Well, now we know a bit more about the justifications for inclusion on the list. There is every reason to believe that merely self-identifying as an SJW is sufficient.
We also know that the wikilist is a wiki – anyone who creates an account can edit the page.
Therefore, the ultimate answer to, “How do I get on the list?” is simple: one of us volunteers to get an account over there, then includes your name along with a hyperlink back to some place on the internet where you’ve identified yourself as an SJW.
Easy Peasy.
I, for one, am an SJW and welcome our new SJW overlords. I think the SJW narrative is peachy-keen. Also, I thought it was reasonable that <a href="http://www.phillyvoice.com/pa-man-fired-over-racist-tirade-anti-fracking-protest/this man was fired by his employer.
But if you go to the trouble of signing up for an account over there, please do include others who have “advocated disemployment or no-platforming” of an individual for failing to follow community norms.
I’ll start with two other people that come to mind:
George Wallace
Anthony Runion
…this could get fun!
PZ should be on Vox’s silly little list and should wear being on it with pride. Vox must think that he’s the center of the universe and that just being placed on his silly list will intimidate people into being silent about intolerant idiots like him.
No one cares about your stupid list, Vox. We have our own list of bigots and you’re front and center on it.
Thought of this for some reason. Actually I was looking for the scene where Ted wins the golden cleric and spends a whole day reading a list of people he doesn’t like.
Nyikos? The math prof from South Carolina? That is too funny. I would add him to my list if I had one.
Nyikos is still around on TO, you know. He hasn’t made any lists lately that I recall, but his behavior is still bizarre.
Aww, it’s “Service Unavailable” ! I hope we didn’t break it!
I was never brave enough to frequent t.o. But I once got a letter (mailed! written on paper!) from Nyikos, which was both rather weird and suggested that he kept (perhaps still keeps?) an enemies list of his own. I had written a rather cranky (not crankish, simply cross; but entirely reasonable) letter-to-the-editor, taking issue with some change in editorial policy, which had been published in the Notices of the American Mathematical Society. Somehow Nyikos deduced from my letter that I would be a friendly audience for an unsolicited rant against Isadore Singer, about the fact that the Notices had described him simply as “Isadore Singer, mathematician”—a great offense to Nyikos, somehow related to the fact that Nyikos’s work (although entirely sound and even somewhat interesting: he studies generalizations of the “long line” and other non-paracompact low-dimensional manifolds) has never been as popular (or important…or as wide-ranging, which was the reason for the Notices’ complimentary sobriquet) as Singer’s.
Alas for (what I presume were) his hopes of enlisting an ally, Nyikos wasn’t aware that I had been one of Singer’s doctoral advisees. (What I do is not very close to either Singer’s work or Nyikos’s, but much closer to Singer’s.) Oops.
This was years before Usenet even existed.
This reminds me of the time in the 90s when I organised a few anti-Scientology protests – most of the folk who turned out would have jumped for joy if we heard we’d been officially declared “Suppressive Persons”.
Well, shit. My request has been rejected.
I’d like to see a list of people whose lists PZ is on.
Dr Marcus Hill Ph.D. (arguing from his own authority):
I got an SP declare from Koos, but those were a dime a dozen. Yeah, an official one would have made me smile for a whole week.
Vox Day (and a couple of other people like Milo) is sufficiently obnoxious to make me almost care he exists.
This is not a good thing.
Louis