Obama appeared on the awkward comedy show, Between Two Ferns with Zach Galifianakis, to plug the affordable care act. Fine; it’s an angle.
The right wingers are cranky about it, as represented here by Bill O’Reilly:
Because, as a published historian like O’Reilly knows, Lincoln had no sense of humor and never told a joke.
Alverant says
It’s really simple. Democrats elect people who TELL jokes. Republicans elect people who ARE jokes.
Randomfactor says
Abe Lincoln joked about the conduct of the Civil War.
DURING the Civil War.
Abe Lincoln would beat O’Reilly’s ass with a split rail.
Ze Madmax says
From the second link about Lincoln (http://www.alincoln-library.com/abraham-lincoln-jokes.shtml), the following is listed as one of Lincoln’s jokes:
I don’t see how that’s a joke. Am I missing something?
anteprepro says
But you know who WOULD show up on a comedy show? Hitler!
Daz: Experiencing A Slight Gravitas Shortfall says
Randomfactor #2
His weapon of choice was, I am reliably informed, an axe.
anteprepro says
Ze Madmax:
Hey, I was going to say the same thing! I don’t know how that’s a joke either.
Jafafa Hots says
Y’know what Abe Lincoln did that O”Reilly wouldn’t have?
Emancipation Proclamation.
tuibguy says
I don’t think that Ronald Reagan would tell a joke either, nothing like “The bombing will begin in five minutes.” No sir, no way would Reagan ever do that.
mikeyb says
Just illustrates Obama derangement syndrome in action once again. Gotta find new utterly trivial insignificant insipid mind boggling petty ways to despise the black man in the White House.
microraptor says
If OReilly really wants to play the “Abe Lincoln wouldn’t have done this” card, I’m pretty sure that Abe Lincoln wouldn’t have started a war with Iraq.
Holms says
I am certain that this will turn up in either the Colbert Report, the Daily Show, or both.
Jafafa Hots says
Anyway, though Abe was funny enough as a kid, he kind of lost his sense of humor after constantly having to fight vampires.
ivarhusa says
The Daily Show did a great show with Fox Judge Andrew Napolitano this week, on the subject of Lincoln. They had a game show segment called “Weakest Linc-oln”. The judge gets shown to be an ass quite badly, and so authoritatively. Yet I doubt many of his fan bois among Fox viewers will see or understand how seriously he fails as a historian.
unclefrogy says
I find it impossible to imagine any republican say anything even remotely similar to the Lincoln quote about labor any time soon.
no way do I want to listen to Bill O
uncle frogy
Silentbob says
@ 3 Ze Madmax, 6 anteprepro
Maybe because it’s a Republican saying workers should be shown some consideration, they assumed he must be joking.
;-)
Hairy Chris, blah blah blah etc says
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”
Almost as if Lincoln had Bill O in mind there, then!
a_ray_in_dilbert_space says
I would also note that Lincoln was severely castigated for telling jokes when the nation was bleeding. He was dismissed as a clown, a circus freak and famously by George McClelland anticipating Ted Nugent as “the original gorilla”.
There have always been imbeciles who think you cannot be a serious person if you make people laugh. These are usually people who think they, themselves are very serious men–probably because the laughter they engender usually occurs behind their backs.
Naked Bunny with a Whip says
Obama has been interviewed by O’Reilly, so we already knew he’s not above talking to clowns on low-rent joke networks.
Ogvorbis: Still failing at being human. says
Ze Madmax @3:
To the modern GOP, that quote is absolutely hilarious. Workers being important! Hilarious.
Seize says
AFAIK Lincoln on labor and capital is not a joke — perhaps a copy/paste mistake? Unless there’s some pun here that escapes both my Google abilities and my modern vocabulary.
UnknownEric the Apostate says
Ooh, are we making up things Abe Lincoln wouldn’t do? Here’s some more:
Abraham Lincoln would never have worn a lampshade as a hat whilst singing Schubert lieder.
Abraham Lincoln would never have stood on one leg in the White House bathroom.
Abraham Lincoln would never have danced with the devil in the pale moonlight.
Abraham Lincoln would never have watched American Idol.
illdoittomorrow says
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” -Lincoln
Funny, I always thought that was Mark Twain for some reason. Either way, Billo, he may as well have been talking to you.
gussnarp says
Obama did pretty well there. I think it was easy since he had a store of anger to draw on at the people who actually say that kind of thing about him in all seriousness.
duce7999 says
It clearly depends on the type of comedy. If it is a skit, then that is objectively wrong, but if it is stand up comedy like the White House Press Correspondents Dinner or the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner then that is objectively right. It seriously couldn’t be more obvious…
benjdm says
Obama humorously participated on the Colbert Report in 2009:
“Wait a second, you overheard? Are your spy satellites really that good?”
“No, but my ears are really that big.”
http://gawker.com/5284223/barack-obama-orders-the-shaving-of-stephen-colberts-head
cswella says
From what I understand, the joke is more of a sarcastic quip in favor of labour unions. Imagine someone railing against unions, claiming they hurt capitalism; with a wry smile, throw that phrase at them.
Alexander says
@26 cswella:
Exactly so. Lincoln was elected under the mantle of “Republican”, but his politics were much more of a modern Democratic platform:
Source; the quotation from Lincoln is from his 1861 State of the Union Address, which is also the source of the Labor/Capital quotation.
gmacs says
I’ve always hated that one, though. Sure, you look a fool momentarily, but you learn. I’ve learned plenty of things by being corrected after saying something stupid.
aaronbaker says
This is a good response to the execrable Mr. O’Reilly:
http://www.nomoremister.blogspot.com/2014/03/newsflash-bill-oreilly-who-wrote-book.html
loreo says
Note how religious people love proclaiming what dead people would or wouldn’t do.
All of the thrill of borrowing their authority without the risk of them refuting you.
Bruce Braden says
I wouldn’t trust Bill O’Reilly to know or tell me what Abe Lincoln actually did, let alone what Lincoln would do today. Lincoln had a sense of humor. That can be seen in his poetry. The “Bear Hunt” seems appropriate here: “Who draws first blood, each hunter knows this prize always wins. But who did this, and how to trace what’s true from what’s a lie…Aforesaid fice of blustering mood…just now emerging…swears as plain as dog can swear that he has won the skin. Conceited whelp! we laugh at thee, nor mind that not a few of pompous, two-legged dogs there be, conceited quite as you.”
scienceavenger says
Meh. O’Reilly probably thinks Lincoln was a gangsta rapper like Jay Z. Ignorance goes in, ignorance goes out, neer a miscommunication.
robro says
cswella @#26 — I don’t get the Lincoln quote as joke either, maybe you had to be there, though I would guess that he was poking fun at the capitalists of his day, who much like now devalue “labor” meaning work. However, I find it difficult to believe that Lincoln was speaking of “labor unions.” Labor unions didn’t exist in the US until after the mid-19th century.
robro says
Bill O’Reilly — America’s answer to the ludicrous shortage. Thanks to his efforts and those of his fellow and former Fox Nuts, America has achieved ludicrous independence so that we are no longer dependent on importing foreign ludicrousness.
skeptifem says
The real question is if lincoln would buy a vibrator
busterggi says
skeptifem @ 35 – no, of course not. Batteries weren’t invented yet. Hence women back then had to make do with Lincoln Logs – notched for her pleasure.
skeptifem says
I’m not the only one who remembers his sexual harassment scandal, right?
Marc Abian says
#37
Lincoln never had such a scandal. Take your America bashing to another site, commie.
But yes, I do remember, but didn’t get your #35 until you posted #37
unclefrogy says
robro I thought 1860’s after mid 19th century maybe you meant late 19 century.
pointless quibble.
I can’t equate Bill O with being religious though I do agree with the reference.
uncle frogy
knowknot says
Pure brilliance on Obama’s part. An appearance that was “beneath his station,” that he knew would spread a message he believes in (¡in modern day America!), managed with precisely the kind of in-your-face toughness (for these purposes and it this context it doesn’t matter if it was staged) that the same people who are freaking out because he did something “beneath his station” say he doesn’t have. And still, by going through the back door like this (knowing that the fact that people actually watch it makes it a front door in reality) he manages to make the point that he means what he says… while just plain getting the message out.
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The level of humor combined with purpose here is almost transcendent. For that, it may be worthy of real history.
richcon says
Thanks Bill for pointing out the amazing fact that Abraham Lincoln never appeared on an Internet comedy skit. I wouldn’t have known.
Sili says
Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses.