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This is Thunderdome, the unmoderated open thread on Pharyngula. Say what you want, how you want.
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If only PZ moderated threads so that douglas could have private conversations with one person.
PZ, PZ, PZ. Shame on you.
Oh wait. I thought douglas considered banning censorship. Since I don’t see how PZ could stop us from responding except by threatening banning us, douglas is now (by his own flawless logic) asking for censorship. Oh noes! He contradicted himself. What a surprise.
It’s not is not all about sniping back and forth about irrelevant crap. Your defensiveness is still there, leading you into broad, unsupportable statements.
What did YOU provide that was relevant to the “Trumped!” thread? That was the primary idea underlying all the “sniping.”
@ Athyco
You needn’t tell me this is an open thread, I’m fully aware. What made you think that I wasn’t?
My last comment didn’t go through. Crap.
After your performance over on the “Trumped!” thread, you wish for more moderation? Moderation against what? Derailments?
Doug, Forward your idea. Define the problem. Define your terms. Show the problem really exists. Propose a solution. Then an intelligent discussion can be had. Until then, it can’t happen.
athyco,
I would tell you to just click on the Next button above the reply window, but you won’t see the comment until you click the Next button :)
Oh, it did. We’re now on the second page of Thunderdome.
LOL, Beatrice. I’ve seen it happen to others before, but it still catches you by surprise when it happens to you.
@ Nerd
I’m just trying to give Athyco my full attention because he seemed like he had a lot to discuss and it’s the polite thing to do.
If you want to keep trying to bait me go right ahead but if Athyco wants to discuss at length then I’m going to ignore you.
I’ll be happy to converse with you if you want that so badly… looks like Athyco wasn’t really interested anyway.
So go ahead I guess…
douglas:
What the hell is your goal, here? You drop into a thread about threats and make the claim that bullying back is the way to handle bullies. Multiple people disagreed (and you even disagreed (for part of one post) with one of the disagreements) and now you claim that we are baiting you? What the hell?
Your “polite” falls far short, douglas1102.
What did YOU provide on topic for the Trumped! thread?
*jealous*
@ Athyco
Did I miss some of your comments? I’ve no idea what you mean.
Ahhh… forgot the e-mail notice thing.
You have a funny idea of what is and isn’t polite.
This isn’t a conversation. That is your misconception of what is happening. You are talking to everybody looking at the thread when you post. Everybody can respond. Respond to what will forward your argument. What several of us are trying to do is to get you to properly define your argument.
What is your goal? What is your problem? What do you perceive is a problem? What is your solution? Notice it is all YOU defining things. No give/take involved. YOU.
PZ put up a content thread about Ophelia Benson. It was the thread we just left. You STILL have not typed her name. What did you provide ON TOPIC for that thread?
I described a number of ways that you initially set off alarms, yet Ogvorbis answered you. If you had read his answer carefully, you would have found that–possible rough edges aside–you had already been doing on Matt’s video and Aron’s blog what we do here. You could have entered our conversation ABOUT OPHELIA.
imkindaok:
The pervasive influence of religion provides tremendous support for many social justice issues. Homophobia, sexism, classcism, and more continue to hold sway in large part due to religion. That is why fighting against the pernicious effects of religion really does cover fighting for social justice.
****
Your comments about religion and atheism read to me as someone who prefers an accomodationist approach. There are atheists who agree with you. I am not one of them. I rhink religion is detrimental to human progress on a social, political and economic level. There are many good people within the various religions and certainly when combatting certain societal ills, they will likely be allies. However, they also support the institutions that continue to hinder progress. There is only so much work one can do with a Catholic to stop the spread of AIDS in Africa because one of the root problems of that epidemic is the teachings of the Church. One could work with Mormons on an anti bullying campaign, but at some point the issue of Mormon opposition to homosexuality is likely to rear its head.
Catch my drift?
@ Athyco
I’m not buying that at all, I posted about these threats on-line and what to do about it…. then I got stupid endless comments accusing me of claiming that Pz censors even after I clarified, and even after I offered empirical freaking evidence that was not my view.
And it’s STILL happening right on this thread.
Obviously you’re not trying to be sincere with me. Clearly it was not me bringing it off topic, you know that.
Nerd of Redhead @516:
That’s why I reiterated that this would be open, douglas1102. A reminder, not a snark.
So? People comment without refreshing and you get 14 people saying the same thing. It happens. Respond to what will forward your argument.
And to elaborate more on 519 I also clearly said I wasn’t interested in talking about censorship but still the conversation had to be about that.
The derailment a accusation is nonsense
@ Athyco 521
I’ve no idea what you’re reffing to.
Obviously we need to establish that I’ve made no censorship arguments whatsoever because I’m tired of seeing it get brought up.
Not only do I reject the “derailment” accusation I’m demanding it should be directed at the ones who actually insisted on constantly bringing it up.
Douglas, if you don’t plan to acknowledge that I’ve already said that you misused “censor” and meant “moderate” or “banhammer” or “banish to Thunderdome,” you’re arguing defensively, not dealing honestly.
Why the hell are you still harping on the “censorship” issue? If you’d not said you wished PZ moderated more, it wouldn’t be in this thread at all.
This is too cryptic to be interpreted. Elaborate.
Actually, it would be good for you to start over, from scratch. Everybody is confused, including you.
Sure, Cupcake. Demand away.
@ Athyco 525
Yes, I realize you clarified my position and that’s why I’m bothering to respond to you. But people still don’t seem to get it and you’re still claiming that I was “off-topic”. If by “off-topic” you mean responding to the off-topic comments directed at me then I’m guilty as charged but I expect to see someone admit it besides you.
I should be demanding an apology, people are still accusing me of crying “censorship” right here and it’s verifiable nonsense. It’s downright nervy considering how much time I’ve spent arguing that PZ does not “censor” I bet even way more than all of you have.
You were off topic. Show you were on topic…
Where is this paranoia coming from? You talked censorship previously. We take true censorship seriously, but not the “freeze peach” definition of censorship, which means they must be listened to.
This is why you should start over from the beginning.
douglas1102:
You arrived in a thread about a woman blogger being threatened with an acid attack and observed that bullying back was the best solution. I disagreed with you. You agreed with my disagreement and then disagreed again. So am I the one who derailed that thread? I responded to a comment I wanted to respond to and now you argue that I should apologize to you and possibly be banned because I responded to you? I asked it before and I’ll ask it again: what the hell?
@ Athyco
Being falsely accused is a perfectly reasonable time to demand so lose the “cupcake” BS
@ Nerd
“You talked censorship previously”
Not about PZ and not endlessly. It was a small part of my comment that seemed perfectly OP to me.
This is what I mean… if Athyco gets it then why the hell can’t you?
You better than us, douglas1102?
douglas1102:
You are the one who brought up censoring:
How is pointing out that you brought censorship into the thread a false accusation?
How? NON SEQUITOR TO MOST OF US.
This is why you need to start over. Too many misconceptions on both sides. And you must remember we look at all your posts, not just your last one.
I’m just a soul whose intentions are good, oh Lord, please don’t let me be misunderstood.
@ Athyco 533
“You better than us Douglas?” huh? Are you better than me Athyco???
I said I bet I spent more time than all of you arguing that PZ does not censor and that it’s nervy to accuse me of such. If you interpret that as claiming to be “better than you” then that’s you problem.
@ Nerd
“Too many misconceptions on both sides”
Wow did you actually show some humility to me? Thanks, even though it was hidden in snark I’ll take it anyway =)
This is a misconcept, and shows your ignorance. PZ can’t censor. He isn’t the government, or a representative of it on this blog. Since this is private property, so to speak, he can throw out those who are obnoxious. Which he does. But that isn’t censorship. They are free to keep speaking/posting their bullshit elsewhere. Since you are confused about this, I suspect you are confused about other issues.
@ Ogvorbis 534
I’m going to give you the benifit of a doubt and assume you didn’t see the comment where I said, “I brought up censorship but it was a small part of a comment that was OP” and you’ve posted that comment.
I said, “I never claimed PZ censors and I can prove I’ve never felt that was the case” and yet the conversation still keeps going back to that, that is derailing and if me responding to that derailment is also derailment so be it but I want acknowledgment I didn’t start that derail and I specifically said I wasn’t interested in talking about it.
This is why I’m demanding apology otherwise this same crap is going to constantly be brought up, this is friggin’ ridiculous.
STILL… that stupid accusation is getting hung on me. How many freakin’ times more???? This is why you need more moderation.
douglas1102, on a few occasions when I’ve made comments on these intertubes, I’ve used the exact words in another’s comment as evidence against their assertion. It may or may not have been the first thing I typed, but when it became obvious that they couldn’t support their contention or had provided falsehoods, then I “refused to be cowed, refused to be silent” as Ogvorbis said to you long ago.
To them, it felt like bullying; it felt as though I had insulted their intelligence, but that would be provably false by John Morales’ definition. There was no power imbalance; it wasn’t repeated for the express purpose of causing them harm, it didn’t use prejudicial slurs that would splash damage innocent others.
You’ve been provided all of this in response to your question on how to fight this crap online–without bullying.
When do you think you will be able to focus on it?
Then I demand your apology for being a fuckwitted idjit who can’t forward their point. Grow up.
Nerd says…
“This is a misconcept, and shows your ignorance. PZ can’t censor. He isn’t the government, or a representative of it on this blog. Since this is private property, so to speak, he can throw out those who are obnoxious. Which he does. But that isn’t censorship. They are free to keep speaking/posting their bullshit elsewhere. Since you are confused about this, I suspect you are confused about other issues.”
HOLY FUCKING SHIT are you kidding???? Again??? Already???
I’m speechless… there’s clearly no point in going on without moderation.
Doug, basics. Start over from the beginning. You are so lost you don’t know where you are.
Sorry, there is no moderation on this thread. And if there was, your ass would be deleted due to your inability to get on with your argument. START OVER.
@ Nerd 541
Grow up… and when you can prove that I put words in your mouth I’ll be happy to apologize, and that’s clearly a courtesy that would not go the other way.
What words in your mouth? You prove yourself right. That is what a mature person would do. So, show us your evidence.
@ NERD
What’s the point? So you can bring up the idiotic “I said PZ censors” Bullshit?
It is not possible to continue until it is conceded that I made no such claim. That it won’t be brought up again, and that bringing up that crap is what derailed the thread in the first place.
For crying out loud, douglas1102. Take all of Nerd’s comment in #538 until the word “elsewhere.”
Say, “I agree with that. I mean that, too.”
Then it will be OVER.
Does anyone here know what the conversation is about? I have no freaking idea.
Douglas, your writing has been extremely unclear in the previous thread. It doesn’t help that something you haven’t been clear about, you have later explained in an unclear way and then repudiated in an unclear way. The result is that we’ve got no idea what position you actually hold. Or at least I don’t. If others do, they have much more talent in understanding gibberish.
@ NERD 546
See? Pointless… now I have to repeat it, What?? the billionth time now???
Again, you clearly need a moderator, Athyco could have worked but he doesn’t seem interested in pointing out to you what he already conceded to.
So we’ll just sit here for how many hours making the idiotic assertion that I claimed PZ censors and blame it on me for it derailing the thread?
Pointless…
What claim? You used censorship wrong. Learn, acknowledge the mistake, and move on. Why can’t you move on?
This is why you need to start over. You are lost in your own confusion, and you are frustrated. Back to basics with clear language, and no terse comments.
@ Athyco 548
No it won’t, it won’t be over until it’s conceded that I never made such an argument otherwise it will be made over and over again
This is truly astounding, YOU explain it to her.
This can not progress until that point is conceded
If you really cared then you would point it out to them because they’re just going to ignore the freakin’ evidence every single time
YOU Athyco YOU explain it to them.
No, you need moderation, and somebody teaching you how to forward an argument.
When will you forward your argument? I, and many others, still see nothing….
Then you should go away. You don’t make demands from us like a spoiled brat.
Forward your argument or shut the fuck up. You keep it frozen, not us.
douglas,
Don’t shift responsibility for making your own words understandable onto poor athyco.
@ Beatrice
Athyco is the only one that got it, if he gave a damn about moving forward then he would point it out to everyone that doesn’t.
This is fucking stupid… how long now arguing this stupid bullshit?
Um, if you cared about being understood, you would clarify what the hell you are talking about.
Maybe I was reading more into douglas1102 than was merited, Beatrice.
I read someone who is committed to fighting the Thunderthugs and the pitters. That’s a good thing. I believed that he saw John Morales as a version of those groups and the rest of us “inexplicably” falling in with him as the thread went on. We didn’t understand what the hell he wanted after he seemingly agreed/disagreed with Ogvorbis in the same comment. He didn’t understand why the hell Pharyngula commenters would be piling on him.
Impulsively, I didn’t want him to go away mad. Go away if he wanted, yes, but not necessarily mad.
It’s so ridiculous now. douglas1102 uses “censor” for whatever reason; he doesn’t mean it in the YouTube way, but he won’t simply partially copy/paste Nerd’s comment and say “I agree.” And he won’t stop saying “moderate” so that it sounds like nanny coming in the laying down the law to the unruly kids.
Why should Athyco be the one moving the discussion forward, and not you? Who the fuck are you for that childish bit of egotism? Aren’t you a responsible adult?
Damn computer. I’ve not commented and refreshed so quickly before, and it doesn’t want to cooperate.
douglas1102, I’ll say it again.
Sheeeeeesh. Last paragraph not blockquoted, please. Thank you.
Douglas:
This means PZ applies minimal supervision to this thread. You really have to say do something totally off the charts with bigotry, misogyny, homophobia to get the banhammer here. Nobody talking to you is even close to that. Nor are you.
Try this one more time:
douglas1102:
Me:
douglas1102:
This is all before any mention of censorship. You wrote something. I disagreed. You agreed with my disagreement and then disagreed with my disagreement in the same comment.
What is it you really want to say here? What is you actual goal?
Thanks Athyco, now are you going to point out the next time someone accuses me of making that stupid argument or all this bullshit going to happen again?
Let’s be clear, at no point did I claim that “PZ censors” I’ve made the argument that PZ does not censor on vids like Dillahunty’s for months now and my comments PROVE that I have not only never made that argument but in fact wholeheartedly support that argument.
Anyone has a problem with this speak up now because I’m so sick of this now I’m am NOT letting it go no matter what happens.
When everyone can accept this VERIFIABLE fact,THEN we can move on.
@ Ogvorbis 563
Oh no… not until that VERIFIABLE FACT in 564 is conceded and I don’t want to hear it even one more time.
THEN we can move on to your points and I will address them.
No evidence other than your word, ergo it isn’t proved. Therefore, you either move on or shut the fuck up.
Why do you get to decide the rules about what I can and cannot discuss in my comment?
Notice douglas, we don’t let bullies bully us….
@ douglas
Move on to what, exactly? Nobody can figure out what the fuck you’re on about. Is everybody stupid or are you being unclear?
@ Nerd 562
Just drop the patronizing attitude a moderator is needed because this is never going to be conceded and it probably the most unbelievable thing I’ve ever seen in any debate.
I can’t even Believe this is FTB
If Tf00t did this I’d have posted this thread all over the net.
Concede the verifiable fact and we’ll move on and don’t anyone dare ask me to explain again.
Could you please explain, douglas1102?
Yes, I dared!
Douglas why do you think PZ censors people?
See what’s going on Athyco???
I guess they didn’t hear you and they’re not listening to me at all are they? Either YOU sort it out or this is DONE until there’s a moderator willing to do so.
Again, why do you think you get veto power over what other people write? Why are you telling me what I can, and cannot, discuss on an open thread?
douglas1102 is going to take his ball and go home.
It just doesn’t make any sense.
@ Rev. 572
FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE!!!! ANOTHER ONE!!!
READ 564!!!
!@#$!@! !@#$ !@!@$@
Why are you telling other commenters what they can, and cannot do? And why are you telling Athyco that Athyco must sort out this confusion?
But why Douglas?
douglas1102:
Did you, or did you not, write this:
Choose (A) or (B):
(A) Know what? You can stuff that statement up your ass next to you head. You MISSPOKE, you blithering blowhard, and I’ve said so every time I “explained” it to everyone else. All you had to do is say, “OK, let’s go on from here.”
(B) Let it be clear, everyone. douglas1102 has, since the moment the argument was first conceived, wholeheartedly supported the “PZ does not censor” argument, his misuse of the word aside.
Whichever one will get you off this topic. If you expect me to repeat it later, I get to choose.
Your post was classical bully “either do it my way or I go home” bullshit. You need to show some maturity, realize you don’t dictate to other adults, and you move you argument forward by yourself now.
@ Ogvorbis 574
You can discuss whatever you want but I’m not going to run in the same stupid circles since I first posted.
How can you still not get it when Athyco picked it up so quickly???
Hoping for a starfart here soon
athyco,
Thanks for trying to explain. I would rather see douglas not using you to lecture us naughty kids, though.
Not an admonishment for you, but for him. You’re just too nice :)
That is, I don’t mean that you were lecturing us, athyco, but that douglas is.
@ Athyco
A)Fine, but NOT as long as it gets constantly brought up over and over and over again.
B)Can everyone read this??? Do you get it yet???
But really he still doesn’t get it completely correct, I can easily prove that has ALWAYS been my argument since this bullshit started… long before this thread.
I’ve honestly made this point over a hundred times now, how can I not be sick of it?
Nothing will move forward until this point is conceded because obviously it’s just going to be brought up again and again, and I shouldn’t have to tolerate what is verifiable LIE either.
So Douglas, do you or do you not think PZ censors? Please set the record straight so we can all finally move on with our lives.
This is the best Thunderdome discussion I’ve read since that one about how riding in an elevator was just like being religious.
@ Beatrice 585
Lecturing???? That describes your side a lot better, I’ve been lectured how many times now about censorship despite having made the argument umteen times since this started?
Like I say, I bet I’ve made the argument even more than any of you have and I can PROVE it yet you still hang it on me how many times now??? It’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen.
I bet if I show you the proof it still won’t make a difference, it hasn’t made a difference when Athyco told everyone so I can’t imagine what will.
I’m curious about the scintillating conversation douglas will engage us in now that we’ve concluded that he does not think PZ censors anyone and he just used the wrong word before. This is what climbing Mount Everest must feel. You’re finally there, but what is waiting for you at the top?
My heart can barely stand the excitement.
Bully engaging in immature bullying behavior. We don’t give in to such behavior. You move on, either elsewhere, or your argument, whatever it is…Your choice cricket.
Douglas I have a food bloggers lunch at a new pho restaurant but I cannot leave until this matter is finally settled. Please!
@ Rev 588
How many times do I have to say it and where the hell is your evidence that I did?
“Douglas why do you think PZ censors people?”
What are you basing that on??? Because everyone else said it???
How about I play the same semantic game that was played with me?
You just said PZ censors didn’t you??? Maybe YOU should learn what censorship means eh?
Now we’ll just talk about how Rev thinks PZ censors.
You answer me first Rev, “why does PZ censor”? Don’t you understand what censorship means?
Wait? Have we finally concluded that point??? Any objections? Good.
Fine, now we can move on, the floor is open to whomever would like to make the next point and I’ll be happy to engage.
We don’t move on until you do. Either forward your argument or shut the fuck up.
All that fucking around so you can say… what exactly?
No. I (and (I assume) others) are basing it on this:
Why do I need your fucking permission to make a comment?
Since Douglas is holding his breath, turning blue, and not forwarding his argument (he must not have one), what shall we chat about?
So you still think he does?
I thought we had settled this?!?
Well this has been fun but I’m off.
Thank you so very much for giving us permission to talk about things, but I was really looking forward to you finally coming to some point.
I’m fluttering with excitement. I’m like a hockey player anxiously waiting to get my teeth knocked out for the first time. Don’t leave me hanging. Don’t make me feel like the hockey player finding out he’s the reserve again.
@ Ogvorbis 598
I guess I was wrong, you still don’t get it and I’m sure as hell not going to be the one that explains it to you AGAIN.
Rev said it too, he was even more specific than me so why not play semantic games with him?
Or why don’t you just read the posts, and concede the point so we can move on?
Oh, nononono! We have to wait until douglas gives us permission to discuss something else. Until he is satisfied that we all agree that he never, ever, ever mentioned censorship and PZ in the same comment, all is on hold.
Am I being sarcastic? Hell yes. This is getting ridiculous.
Tell you what, asshole. I’m walking away from this thread. You can continue to demand control over what people can, and cannot, comment on all you want. You won’t be doing it to me anymore.
@ Beatrice 602
If you and Nerd think me refusing to engage amounts to giving you permission then that’s your problem.
However I doubt you even think that, but then again I figured I would spend this long waiting for a verifiable fact to be conceded.
I’d say that it’s been ridiculous the whole time.
@ Ogvorbis 605
Well fuck you very much for that, I guess that means you’re telling me what I can and can’t do according to the Beatrice Nerd logic.
@ Billy 607
I sure as heck agree with that one.
Seriously, douglas, you don’t really know how words work?
You wrote:
That very much deserved all the sarcasm in the world about you giving us permission to move on to different comments.
Actually, this is kinda fun. In a really weird way. Probably why it made me think of having my teeth knocked out, but in a fun way.
Ogvorbis,
Ooooh, daring!
*facepalm*
@ Beatrice 610
That’s hardly giving you permission, obviously I’m saying I’ll engage anyone who’d like to make the next point but instead now everyone wants that to mean I’m deciding who can do what.
I’m telling you what I want to do, not what you have to do, and that’s very obvious.
Tell me, what would my response to that have to be to move on?
Btw… the comment I posted from Youtube on my first post is now one of the top comments on Ana Kasparian’s vid.
I’m gonna go screen-shot because that exactly the kind of thing the might open some eyes.
What does this have to do with anything?
What. The. Actual. Fuck?
You’re the one wanting to talk about something. We’ve already discussed it several times over the years. You go first and make your ideas known.
Why do you think we give a shit about videos and comments thereof? They aren’t evidence, they are OPINION.
HAHAHAHAH! He won Top Commenter on a Youtube thread.
Dying.
Did you morons actually bother to look at the vid or the comment? Nope, just took it as an excuse to spout drivel and completely miss the point.
PZ considers YT a cesspool and this is his blog???
I really expected more, the sick thing is that I now have to concede at least one point to Tf00t.
I’ll achieve more to stop this hate spread on YT in 10 min. than I’ve managed commenting for hours on this blog. Heck, more than anyone on this blog.
Great.
Here’s your “Hero Of The Year” Award. Now go tell YouTube how shiny it is.
And if you do bother to look at the comment or vid I would recommend giving that disgusting comment “thumbs up” Why??? Because then Ana will see it and I sincerely doubt that she’ll approve.
Sally forth, brave l’il toaster!
Thanks Josh and Billy, but I’m not sure why this is something you think is funny.
I think this might actually be a time when I can use ROTFL appropriately.
ROTFLMAO, even.
Care to explain the laughter?
Where is your link to both bigger moron, as everybody knows one must cite what one is talking about? And no, I don’t yootube or the comments therein. Why bother, as I have better things to do, like make dinner.
You think is furthering your argument. It is nothing but a meaningless side-show from someone who can’t keep to their point, whatever it is. We don’t give a shit what other people think of you. You have and continue to trash yourself here by not forwarding your argument….
Has douglas1102 actually said what his argument actually is ? Does he even know what it is ?
@ Nerd
“Where is your link to both bigger moron, as everybody knows one must cite what one is talking about? And no, I don’t yootube or the comments therein. Why bother, as I have better things to do, like make dinner.”
I can barely decipher that, it sounds like you want the link to “both bigger moron” but that doesn’t make any sense.
Are you asking for a link to the Youtube vid? Here ya go, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcSglVRYe6M
Hillarious isn’t it? Jackasses>_>
And you’re close with the evidence thing, but it only applies if I give a damn if you believe what I say.
Go ahead and make dinner, I’ll quite content helping expose this crap.
Yeah, Matt, I still don’t know that douglas’s argument is. Which is partly the source of my descent into chat-speak.
douglas1102,
I have no interest in watching a video. If you cannot, and it seems you admit cannot, distill your argument down to a paragraph then it would seem to be a poor argument to begin with.
@ Nerd 626
My comments are voted down into oblivion and had you all not fallen victim to your confirmation bias you wouldn’t have made that stupid assumption.
Forward my argument? Sure concede the point I need to forward the argument, a few have done it now. When the rest catch on then we can get somewhere.
If you wanna debate something I’ll be happy to, but I’m sure you’re already twisting this comment to mean that “I’m deciding what you can respond to”
@ Matt 630
You would have to be really stupid to think I give a damn… jackass.
I think this last bit confirms that douglas in fact does not know what his argument is, he’s just fishing.
I am under no illusion you give a toss. I just see a person who is arrogant and who is unable to actually say what his argument is. I actually feel a little sorry for you, because you clearly are not aware how pathetic you appear.
douglas1102,
The comment you quoted in your very first post here–that one is the second of the two Top Comments. And your comment (to which that Top Comment is a reply) has received too many down votes so that you have to click it to show.
This is winning because…the person who made the vid will be repulsed by seeing the slur-infested insulting comment to you?
I think he is probably hoping one of us will tell him.
Just like I don’t give a damn about a stupid video I would never watch or the comments therein. WHAT IS YOUR ARGUMENT?
@ Beatrice
Seein’ as you conceded the point I’ll be happy to move on with you.
You’re right I don’t know what argument you’re talking about, the argument I’ve been making almost entirely on this thread you already conceded to so that can’t be it can it?
If you want another topic name it.
@ Athyco
“This is winning because…the person who made the vid will be repulsed by seeing the slur-infested insulting comment to you?”
You don’t think so?
All you have been doing here is complain that people are being mean to you. Given how you have behaved, why would you be expecting people to be nice to you ?
You have behaved like an idiot. You do not get to complain when people treat you like one.
Uh…versus the 26,000+ others so far who are seeing what is considered by their “peers” to be a top comment?
No.
@ Matt
For someone that is “under no illusion that I give a toss” you certainly seem to think that I do.
Oh. That’s underwhelming.
Your job cupcake. Forward your argument…
Maybe I am hoping you are not total scumbag, and have some sense of decency left. It would seem I am wrong, and that you not only a scumbag but proud of it.
@ Athyco 641
You could be right but I’m pretty confident it will.
Still not seeing any argument being forwarded from Douglas, just attitude. Must be a character flaw.
I thought there was something beautiful waiting for us at the end. Something witty. An intelligent, well made argument about something.
But there is nothing.
I could cry.
@ Matt
Your arrogance is amazing, I really don’t care at all and if that makes me arrogant then that perfectly fine with me.
Do you have any evidence of a vid maker who reversed a stand based on what was voted into the Top Comment section?
Lol… at all you losers.
Here ya go… a present, *ahem*
“I have no argument and I’ve no idea at all how to put forward an argument”
Awww shit ya got me o.o
Now will you please stfu up about that and move on.
Like we care what you think. Since it appears you can’t think well enough to put forward an argument about what you want to talk about other than you….
Thank you for confirming that you you do not care about being honest, about making yourself clear and about not behaving like an arsehole.
The thing this, I already knew all that, so there was no need to bother.
However you are lying. I know this because if you did not care you would not be bothering to comment here anymore. That you thought we would not notice says a lot about you.
@ Athyco 650
“Do you have any evidence of a vid maker who reversed a stand based on what was voted into the Top Comment section?”
Ummm… no. But I’ve tons of evidence of people getting thrown under the bus once the person they’re trying to use discovers what scumbags they are.
No. You will be the one to move on, or shut the fuck up. YOU DON’T TELL US WHAT TO DO…
This is a really sad display. Poor douglas has consistently failed at communicating. This has made him run afoul of several commenters here, and it has hurt his fee-fees, because he didn’t really mean what his poor communication seemed to convey. So now he has broken down, able to provide nothing more than frustrated bluster and furious whines. Obviously, the solution to his problem would be just to step back, shut the fuck up, and come back when he has better control of his tongue, rather than blathering angrily and incompetently, mucking things up more, and entering into a downward spiral of frustration. But he is deadset on making noise, unable to peel himself away until he gets a pat on the back and a “there-there”, the poor thing. And now he is at risk of becoming a full-blown troll. Just walk away while you still can, doug. You won’t have to find a bridge to dwell quite yet, if you can stop yourself.
@ Matt 653
“However you are lying. I know this because if you did not care you would not be bothering to comment here anymore. That you thought we would not notice says a lot about you.”
My god man, your sense of deductive reasoning is simply amazing O.O you simply cannot hang around this blog wasting your powers while so many crimes go unpunished!!! Quickly!!! go forth!!!!
Yea… I had high hopes, but trust me when I say I’m thoroughly disappointed. Actually, “floored” would be a better description.
@ Nerd 655
Says the one telling me what to do, and you didn’t even return the courtesy of saying “please”
What, exactly, do you want, doug1102?
@ anteprepro
That’s prolly the nicest thing I’ve been told here. =)
@ Billy 659
I’ve been asked and answered quite a few times now so why don’t you tell me, what do you want?
Who the fuck cares what you want or thinks is polite. QUITE TELLING US WHAT TO DO.
@ Nerd 662
It’s QUITE alright, no need to shout.
But…the scumbag that made the comment is…a “nobody.” Not Thunderf00t, not Vacula. Not even King Crocoduck, who most recently linked us to a Vacula video. All of them could (and assuredly will, since there is no evidence that THEY agree with the slur-infected disgusting comment) deny any relationship to it.
They could say that two FTBers conspired to have this “argument” to make them look bad. And then…post on Pharyngula that we should go there and thumbs up the disgusting comment. AS YOU HAVE DONE. Piss a brick!!
Did you have to practice to become such a fucking assclam?!? Wow, am I ever glad that anyone who ever traces you back here will have you on full display. I take a faceplant because I thought there might be something to you, but everyone else had you down pat.
Here ya go–one last “your assumptions without evidence make you wrong.” With Nerd, I wouldn’t be explaining anything to “her.” Nerd of Redhead is a man; Redhead is his wife. And Nerd would not be expecting to hear from me when you say “Ask Athyco. ‘He’ understands.” I am a woman.
We will NOT be voting up the disgusting comment!
I would be happy to see you fuck off, but failing that, you could do what many of us have asked you to do, but you have admitted you are unable to to do, which is tell us what your argument is.
Oh, and whilst it is true you have been asked what your argument is many times, it is not true you have answered many times. Such an obvious lie I cannot understand why you think you would get away with it.
I wish the creationist would come back.
*scrolls and scrolls and scrolls some more*
I can’t find a point, or an argument, from douglas either.
So douglas, why are you here?
@ Athyco
“And then…post on Pharyngula that we should go there and thumbs up the disgusting comment. AS YOU HAVE DONE. Piss a brick!”
That’s a good point, I never thought of that. But I doubt anything will come of it and it sure as hell isn’t going to influence Ana in any way.
So don’t vote it up, I’m still gonna make her aware. Very aware.
The comment isn’t going to influence her at all, it’s the vids Tf00t makes that’s gonna do it.
I want to lodge a complaint about false advertizing.
Douglas kept repeating that he wants to deal with our misunderstanding so that we can move on. It was implied that he had something to move on to. Some argument waiting for us at the end of the tunnel.
It was all a lie.
A fraud.
I am disappointed.
At first I was annoyed with Douglas, then I was mildly sympathetic, now I’m just amused. Douglas has been SO consistently bad at communicating and so Truculant about it it’s hilarious in an awful way.
Douglas, I have absolutely no reason to believe that you’d be willing to follow my advice but in case the stars suddenly became right here’s what you should probably do:
1) Lose the defensive attitude. You win no friends and influence no people when you act like an angry child throwing a temper tantrum, and that is what you’ve been doing consistently since you came to Thunderdome.
2) Take a step back and pause for thought. Why are you on this blog? What do you want to discuss? What questions do you have?
3) Recognize you are not being clear. If you were misunderstood by one or two people that would be one thing, but the continuing refrain of “I don’t know what the fuck this guy is talking about” suggests that the onus to clarify is on you. WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING DOUGLAS! Do not assume we do, because we do not. When you talked earlier about a Youtube comment no one knew what you were talking about. You were angry and called everyone jackasses when you finally provided a link to a video that you referenced in passing as though everyone knew about it. No one knew what you were talking about.
So Doug made a comment about PZ should be censoring which actually is about PZ not censoring and there’s a YouTube video which proves he gets down votes or something. Plus Doug will make his point as soon as we concede the other point about PZ censoring or not censoring as the case may be.
I hope Doug finally makes his point. The suspense is killing me.
@ Matt
Seriously? There’s evidence right on the blog.
You make a lot of assumptions… a LOT.
Douglas that comment at 672 is classic you. What evidence? Evidence of what? If it’s right here on the blog can you provide a link or a quote? What assumptions? Assumptions about what? A lot of Assumptions about something? Can you provide links to Matt making these assumptions about things? A lot of links to Matt making assumptions about things? These assumptions are presumably contradicted by the evidence right? Can you provide links to the Assumptions and the Evidence after defining both?
Douglas your posts read like a bad “Who’s on First” joke.
I note you are unable to provide any though.
Given that, I think you are lying once again. That is a bad habit you have, and not very polite either.
And again, I note your inability to articulate your argument. You have been asked so many times now, and ignored those requests so many times that the only reasonable conclusion is that you cannot.
@ Omnicrom
Don’t hand me that crap, look how long it took just to concede that I never made the “censorship” argument and people are still making it now.
Sorry but that’s just plain pathetic, even worse than Youtube.
Take your own advice.
douglas1102, you’re making no sense at all.
Douglas I did not hand you crap.
Your problem is that you’re overly defensive in a very immature way, you don’t seem to have a clear argument at all, and overall you communicate very very badly.
The reason that people still attack you for censorship is because you said a vague, unclear argument about censorship and people tried (as humans are wont to do) to understand what you were talking about. At no point did you say clearly what you meant to say. You have never ever clearly stated your arguments or your reasons for continuing to post.
If you did not argue in favor of censorship then explain that. Explain what that post where you used the word censorship means, because we did not understand. Explain your questions about bullying. Explain why you brought up Youtube and how it is relevant. That’s your problem, you never explain things in a way that people understand it. As I pointed out maybe if one or two people had a hard time understanding you but the unanimous consensus so far has been “Huh”?
I really used to think the whole PZ Tf00t thing was entirely in PZ’s favor and I had never even really listened to PZ before. I thought that right up until I came to his blog. I still think that overall but the level of discourse is so low despite such an air of believing this is the pinnacle.
Very disappointing… really no different than YT.
I thought Athyco mentioned she was a woman, but then I read all the threads. It helps when one interacts with the community. Doug, I’m an old bald man approaching retirement.
Yep, sounds like situation normal.
Me too. My titanium fang is itchy.
Well if you feel that Pharyngula is no different from Youtube (incorrect) then leave Douglas.
No one is keeping you here. If you seriously cannot figure out why you are being tarred (Hint: You’re being overly defensive, your purpose and motives are horribly unclear, and we can’t understand you) then leave. You stated you continued to post because of politeness in the previous thread, but on Pharyngula we don’t consider that necessarily polite. You are not being forced to remain here Douglas, you can leave at any time and try and find another forum. You can leave the comment threads entirely and read only what PZ posts. You can go find another FTBlog and try and communicate there or read those people’s posts. You have unlimited freedom of association on the Internet, if you truly truly believe that Pharyngula is a heinous cesspool the like of Sexist videos on Youtube why stay?
@ Omnicrom
I heard you the first hundred times… a better argument is what you need.
Again, making the same stupid “censorship” argument is pathetically stupid and that’s 100% on you, trying to pass it off on me isn’t going to work.
The proof is how easily some posters picked up on first read and the reason they did is because they looked at it honestly. And that’s something no one else did, confirmation bias was EXTREME and you’re a great example.
You guys don’t even call each other on fallacy as long as it’s supporting your view.
Sorry but this isn’t some bastion for discourse, Aron’s vid wasn’t bad, but everywhere else has been a pit.
So, YT discussions was superior to the discussions here. Now the discussion here is no different from YT.
Consistency is the hobgoblins of little minds.
*yawn*
This isn’t amusing any more. Just sad.
Happily satiated with a belly full of Vietnamese food I can’t help but still be concerned with Douglas’ accusation of censorship by PZ.
No Douglas, I didn’t say you needed a better argument. I said you needed a clearer argument. If you can’t tell the difference between the two I don’t know what to tell you.
” if you truly truly believe that Pharyngula is a heinous cesspool the like of Sexist videos on Youtube why stay?”
This is what I mean, I never said “sexist videos on Youtube” not even once, so what part of your bias made you say that? Or was that deliberate? I’m betting on the first.
Also, I could ask you the same question about me.
My answer is that I really don’t know and I prolly will leave, so what’s your answer?
Does anybody else hear Douglas’ comments in the voices of Gollum and Smeagol?
You know, when it’s damn funny listening to them but it only makes sense if you’ve read the fucking book.
Blockquote, motherfucker! Can you do it?
Rev. you meanie.
@ Omnicrom
Actually I meant that you need a better argument rather than repeating yourself over and over.
And thanks for not being so damn condescending that time.
I’m starting to think you like me and you just won’t admit it.
Actually, people can have opinions about things that are not derived from you words. Amazing, I know.
It really is terrible in here, douglas1102. Let’s you and I get out of here for a civilized chat – far away from these rogues who keep asking you to make a point of some kind. Right this way…
*holds the door open*
Coming?
I doubt it. He cannot articulate his argument after all.
Ah, I was wrong, he’s still funny.
@ Jainine
You talkin’ to me?
Naw I can’t block-quote, someone was nice enough to show me how but I deleted the copypaste
If you’ve got a problem with that feel free to post it again and I’ll use it.
Still hoping for a starfart
Rev.,
I’m sure you’ll be excited to hear that when I went to Pharyngula wiki to check what starfart was, I got this little window in the corner:
(Unless you weren’t the person I remember complaining about webinars. In that case… oops, my mistake)
Douglas I have to think that you not understanding or remembering how to blockquote speaks to your continued misunderstanding of censorship.
Will the person who is forcing douglas1102 to stay at this site please leave his home?
douglas apparently can’t use google, in addition to his communication problems. poor troll
No that was me.
Hate webinars.
And censorship….
What Janine said @ 699.
Doug,
You are such a poor writer that I cannot figure out what the point about censorship we’re supposed to concede actually is. I might be willing to concede your point, if for no other reason than to stop you whining about it, but I don’t have a clue as to whether or not you think PZ censors, doesn’t censor, should censor, shouldn’t censor, or will or will not censor. So I won’t concede the point because I don’t know what the point is that you want conceded.
And no, it’s not my fault that you can’t express yourself well.
@ Billy
Yea you guys like clinging to the “can’t make a point thing” and it contagious as hell
But hey it took almost 20 hours to get any of you to concede even one verifiable fact so I’m not gonna be bothered with that again, heck half of you still don’t get it and the rest that do aren’t honest enough to point it out.
No I don’t like you much Douglas, I just have a serious case of trainwreck syndrome.
Your posts are edifying in a grotesque way. The way you utterly fail to communicate is startling. The total disconnect from what you’re saying and what you seem to think you’re saying is baffling and strangely alluring. Your complete inability at self-reflection and utter refusal to even humor criticism is breathtaking. I continue to respond to you because what you get wrong is so obvious that every time you totally miss the point it becomes an ironic anti-triumph.
In short I’m responding to you not because I have any faith that repeatedly explaining as plainly and clearly as I can what is wrong with your posts will make you argue better, but because I have almost sublime certainty that you will NOT improve your posts and I find them enjoyable in a very bad way.
Forget the “censorship” thing, everyone. That was entirely an EGO DIVERSION with douglas. Here’s what he wants us to admire him for–his “argument.”
Ana Kasparian, the co-anchor of the Young Turks made a video responding to one by Thunderf00t: “Do ‘Hot’ Girls Have All the Advantages?” Of course, in it she says all the things that Thunderf00t fans want to hear about how sweet he is, how she wouldn’t ban, block, or delete comments unless they were lunatics. You know–to have an attractive, well-known atheist woman on Thunderf00t’s side to contrast with…(Yeah, you know their logic.) Well, doug’s comment on HER video is an evidence-free, sneery set of assertions about the stupidity/moral failings of the commenters. (Who’s surprised?) It prompted huge numbers of down votes so that it doesn’t even show, but it also prompted one angry response with slurs at douglas. At present, only five people have thumbed it UP, but that was still enough to get it in the Top Comments. Here is the exchange:
Douglas says:
And the reply: (Which douglas sees as SO HORRIBLE that Ana Kasparian will be appalled)
Douglas is pleased that the second comment is in the Top Comment section. It’s the first step in his clever plan to “open the eyes” of Ana Kasparian and others regarding the nefarious Thunderf00t and his Thunderthugs so that she will haughtily throw him under the bus. Oh…my head hurts.
Doug #704
All I can do is repeat the last sentence of my post #703: And no, it’s not my fault that you can’t express yourself well.
What fallacy. Unevidenced assertion *POOF* dismissed as fuckwittery, like every other post….
It was never verified. You just claimed it was..;.
@ Rodney 703
It is totally your fault, I just said… one got it right away but unlike the rest of you he was honestly reading the post and not reading it how he wanted it to read.
Btw my comments up there admitting about the “argument” nonsense and I’m still getting asked about it.
The fact is the level of discourse here is very low.
So basically he’s upset because we are refusing to acknowledge what a wonderful person he is ?
I’m still a woman, you shit for brains. And the only thing I can imagine that made me “get it” was that I taught 8th graders for 30 years and understand how many of them can fuck up saying the simplest things.
And he totally gets PZ’s censorship.
And hates YouTube.
No Douglas it is not Rodney’s fault.
Show of hands here, how many of you guys had even the faintest clue what Douglas was saying? I sure as hell didn’t. Athyco is a Saint among Squids for putting in what must have been considerable effort to figure out what the fuck you were trying to say again and again.
Oh and here’s the kicker, even after the revelation of Athyco, cursed chosen speaker for douglas1102 the inscrutable, the argument you were making is STILL bad and STILL not very clear. ARE you arguing that we should leave messages on Youtube and hope that people who post horrible shit become sickened when people attracted to their horrible shit say horrible shit? I have to ask because not only does that seem like a bad argument but I STILL CAN’T TELL WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY.
One person being able to understand you does not mean you are being intelligible. In fact if only one person on a site can figure out what you’re saying that’s a good sign that maybe you are unintelligible.
Emphasis mine.
Those bits in bold are prime examples of why nobody has a fucking clue what you’re on about.
You spew a word salad of ambiguous ramblings, then wonder why nobody can follow it.
Learn to communicate more clearly.
Sorry, shouldn’t have said just Guys.
But still, how many people here understood douglas prior to Athyco’s partial translation?
omnicrom:
Seconded.
(also, Athyco, your cited reason for understanding him made me laugh)
Does someone have a Gibberish to English dictionary? This comment was addressed to me and I’m not sure what it says, other than it’s my fault.
Oh, I suppose douglas thinks that because he made one comment on YT that we should all recognize him as the great warrior against sexism that he believes himself to be.
douglas,
You do realize that you are in a shark tank, right? Poor arguments (like yours) are blood in the water round these parts, and we don’t much care who is making the poor argument.
PZ himself is not immune, and that is exactly the way he likes it.
As far as I can tell Rodney, douglas is being derisive the one (AND ONLY ONE) person could understand him partially so that means that he’s not being horribly unintelligible.
I jet wish Douglas would tell us about it because having invested this much time getting to it, it must be very important.
@ Athyco 711
I missed your comment where you mentioned your a woman, my apologies.
Jet=just
@720
Same here, Rev.
@ Tethys 718
“You do realize that you are in a shark tank, right?”
I really did lol at that one.
You can think of me as a guppy if that makes you feel even more confidant.
This is why the discourse is so low, you’re completely convinced that’s the way it is and it never even occurs to you that maybe it’s not.
I think that’s the only comment that made me laugh so far.
Xe is still at it? Wow.
Oh, well. Now that we have all agreed to the verifiable fact that douglas1102 never used the word ‘censorship’ in any way, shape or form, maybe xe can answer this.
douglas1102 wrote:
I replied:
douglas1102 wrote:
This is all before you didn’t in any way, shape, or form, mention of censorship. You wrote something. I disagreed. You agreed with my disagreement and then disagreed with my disagreement in the same comment.
So. What is it you really want to say here? What is you actual goal?
I’m bored and read the whole sorry lot from both threads.
Douglas made the claim that bullying is best countered with bullying, was disagreed with and then asked what actions he considered to be bullying so we could go on from there.
He didn’t give any specific definitions of what he thought was bullying despite being repeatedly asked, but suggested that insulting someone’s intelligence in general was a vague example of crossing the line(without mention of any context, or any attempt at defining what he meant), which was also disagreed with and left unexplained by Douglas.
He was also defensive from the start:
See what I mean? He even acknowledges that he used the wrong word but everyone else was still at fault for responding to what was originally said. Douglas, people GOT that you agreed with PZ banning idiots, they disagreed that it was censorship, and so, after the fact, did you! There was no bloody patronising until later when your continued stupid behaviour warranted it. :/ Why was “oh yeah, my bad I didn’t mean that, I meant this:…” so frikkin hard? Let’s take a closer look at what was said.
Douglas, you seriously don’t see how everyone read this and thought what they did? Especially the “defiantly agree with it[censoring] here” part. Come on and be honest, admit that you fucked up here, that you were either horribly unclear or you meant what you originally said and scrambled to deny it after realising how stupid it was when people called you on it. Even when you change “censoring” to “moderating” to get “Hate speech is best countered with better speech, when better speech fails moderation begins.
However… I defiantly agree with it here, if I were PZ I’d be doing it the same way.”, the implication that you dislike moderating as you do censorship, that you “defiantly agree” with this instance of moderation, is left in tact(while you cry and whine for more moderation from PZ because of all the meanie-heads). So I call bullshit.
I actually wonder if he just wanted to throw a claim out there as a debate topic and step back, as if he didn’t have a properly thought out opinion regarding his own claim about counter-bullying anyway. I wondered as soon as I read this:
Can you say deliberately obtuse? And the “words in my mouth” part was in reference to his mistaken use of the word censor again. So he snivels about it and latches onto this perceived wrong against him instead of moving on with the fucking point. That’s not a sign of someone who wants an honest discussion. Neither are comments like this:
… Yet he never properly discusses it by putting forward anything more substantial than “insulting intelligence”, I think he just wanted everyone else to fill in the gaps for him. And the censorship claims were soooo imaginary…
So yeah, the vast majority of his comments were and continue to be just whining about how everyone misunderstood his totally clear comments and are sooo mean and worse than thunderf00t fanboys!(Fuck you again from me for that, Douglas). And yeah, I realise I have way too much time on my hands, lol.
Explain what you mean when you deride the discourse. What are we completely convinced of? What “way” do we think “it is”? We does not occur to us? Why is this ephemeral “is” that may not be?
Are you possibly suggesting that you’re a skilled and talented rhetor and we simply don’t understand your genius? If so I’m going to take an hour long laugh break and come back with whatever remaining shreds of empathy I have for you excised. You are not good at communicating douglas.
If everyone, including athyco, has trouble understanding Doug, then perhaps the problem is with Doug and not with us. I’m just offering this as an off-the-cuff thought because Doug knows he’s clear as the driven snow or something.
I’m up to #600 and I must say that with the mild fever and the cold-meds this it is bestest Thunder evaaar.
except [or because of] douglas(meathead)1102
I’ll catch up.
Bah!
I’ve reached my limit with douglas. I’m going to smoke a bong hit and watch an episode of Law And Order.
Bon courage, commentariat!
@ Omnicrom 727
“Are you possibly suggesting that you’re a skilled and talented rhetor and we simply don’t understand your genius?”
Nope… but it sure as hell sounds like you’re trying to suggest something.
Douglas I have no clue what you’re saying. I’m making wild suggestions based very loosely on the word salad you repeatedly put on my plate. I can’t even begin to try and describe your speech so I must flail about hoping that maybe you’ll inadvertently arrange the words you type into coherent sentences.
You know what? You’re thinking of understand douglas1102 in terms of non-fiction. You need to be thinking fantasy. If you’ll indulge the Seer of Squid, the story is as thus:
Prologue:
Ahhh, Omicron. Our story finds us cradling one video only, made by the Lovely Ana Kasparian, exalted by the Young Turks, most innocent and pure of heart. She hath been duped, most wickedly duped, by the leering chicanery of Thunderf00t. Did she but know the quality of the social justice knights and warrior princesses at FTB, Skepchick, and A+, her face would blench and her eyes saltily swim; her heart would falter that she had–even once–thought Thunderf00t fair.
But she cannot not know these doughty fighers! Thunderthugs press close around her; she cannot see beyond. Only Douglas has the wily plan. Douglas will provoke a Thunderthug, smite his mind so mightily that he swings wildly and profanely in YouTube comment response. The Lovely Ana, seeing this perverse thing rise atop the thousands, will break from the spell! “Fie, evil F00t! Hie, evil F00t!” Her shouts, ringing out from the Young Turk battlements, will rout the F00tlings and raise the countryside!
And the knights and warrior princesses of social justice will call upon all to praise the name of douglas1102.
@ Athyco 706
Really? If you were Ana you wouldn’t do the same? I sure as hell would.
I suppose that should be ignored as well?
We’ll see what happens =) Actually I don’t think she’d risk the fan base, but we’ll see.
Athyco @ 733
That makes sense
douglas1102 @ 734
That makes no sense.
@ Athyco 733
Provoke? I call it standing up.
Did someone from FTB really just suggest I’m a whiteknight?
I’m kinda tired so if you want me to read comments keep ’em short please, although I really did enjoy reading yours, I’m thinking of putting it to lute music and writing a ballad =)
Douglas can you please get to whatever it is?
Someone from FTB suggests that you think you are a knight. Don Douglas Quixote, however, is delusional.
douglas1102
Do you enjoy commenting here?
There is no it, Rev. Why did he say there was an it when there is no it?
@ Rev
Nope, we’re still not past the “censor” thing as long as idiots want to argue that I think PZ censors there’s no point.
Ball’s in your court, not mine, and feel free to bring up another topic or point if you’d like.
But then I guess then you guys couldn’t keep repeating the “can’t get to his point” argument even though I was clear to Nerd and it should have been over with long ago.
Low discourse… even the Youtubers would have gotten farther.
@ Athyco 738
That’s a flattering description =) Here’s on of my quotes, (seems apt)
“Finally, from so little sleeping and so much reading, his brain dried up and he went completely out of his mind.”
Wow douglas, that lovely post of yours at 736 finally drained me of all possibly sympathy.
You attack me at post 686 for extrapolating from what you say when I mentioned Misogynistic Youtube videos and then you take umbrage at an accusation that wasn’t even thrown at you? And it turned out that I was indeed correct and you WERE talking about misogynistic youtube videos? Fuck you. No one has called you a whiteknight, and even if you were Whiteknighting I don’t think anyone could tell WHO OR WHAT you were Whiteknighting. No seriously, Fuck you.
You’ve had about 400 posts worth of discussion now and you’re still being smug and defensive and imperious and we STILL don’t know what the hell you’re on about most of the time. With the help of Athyco’s and several other people who risked time and brain cells to interpret your babble it turns out you’re likely mightily proud of yourself and you’re possibly annoyed that we haven’t fallen into lockstep behind your brilliance. That was was I thought I saw when you mockingly said that we could call you a guppy at post 724, you seemed to feel smugly superior to all of us because we couldn’t figure out your perfect genius response to bad youtube videos. In hindsight and with some translation you come across annoyingly pleased with yourself for no reason, I suspect the only reason why people haven’t been lambasting you for your attitude sooner is that no-one could figure out what you were talking about. But now that I have a firmer grasp let me just say again: Fuck you.
You are still giving people commands, you still don’t get how horribly hard it is to communicate with you, you still are smugly satisfied, and you still don’t seem at all interested in getting the slightest clue. So for a fourth time: Fuck you.
Actually any topic you bring up other than yourself is appropriate….Didn’t you want to talk about bullying? TALK.
@ chigau 739
Yes, actually I do like it here.(Thunderdome)
@ Nerd 744
Don’t tell me what to do. (bet ya didn’t see that comin’)
douglas1102
If you wish to continue, stop being boring.
https://proxy.freethought.online/pharyngula/2011/08/01/pharyngula-standards-practices/
But you do right?
Like I said, who the fuck cares what you think, as you don’t. I bully back…
Nerd of Redhead,
No, that’s bad. Trolling back, on the other hand… *grin*
;)
Homer has something to say.
Perfect.
Anyone who feels I need to “get to my argument” please refer to comment 748
I’ve genuinely been involved in a semantic argument almost this entire time.
Sad… real sad.
Sorry but I’m not going to be told what I “really think” because of a comment I admitted was poorly worded especially when it very easy to validate that I’ve been arguing against such for months at least.
That is honestly the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard on-line and the most aggressively pushed.
Sorry but it’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, and if you can’t see that then you’re either (very) stupid or (very) dishonest.
It’s the same as Creationist telling an atheist what he “really belives” and attacking the made up belief except I’ve got even better evidence.
Unbelievable…
I mean… look at this comment above me, he’s seriously trying to argue what I “really” think. instead of what I tell him I think, he could claim I was lying but I have comments for proof.
And not one person is honest enough to point out how dumb that is.
If we can’t get this past accepting an easily verifiable fact then there’s no point going on. You’re not going to get around it.
Easy as Sunday mornin’
Douglas, I have now asked twice about your original comment, my reply, and your response to my reply. Do you wish to discuss what you originally decided to comment on, or do you continue to argue what has been agreed (that you didn’t use any permutation of the word censor in any way that could possibly imply that it referred to PZ)?
Oh lookie, it’s a piss-poor attempt at negging.
I assume you mean confident? I will even use it in a sentence.
I am very confident that douglas is an idiot, whose sole purpose here at this point is to be a chum spreading troll.
Wow dude, that’s like so deeeeeeepity and I am totes convinced that um…………what was your point?
Seriously douglas, quit your whinging about how we are all so mean and bad at discourse and we won’t give you a cookie for making a YT comment.
Apparently, after an absolute bastard ice-climb, the last few hundred feet are basically an uphill walk.
Then you can hear the jetstream.
I read it in a book. /trufax
Listen people. Douglas is entitled to his opinion about How PZ runs his blog, no matter how wrong he is about censoring.
I do wish he’d tell us what the point is he’s been trying to get to.
@ Ogvorbis
Alright, that’s fine with me.
But you’re going to have to start because I can’t even remember what it was.
@ Rev 759
Now you’re just trolling me
563 & 725 (on this thread)
Hit ctrl-F. Type in a word. It will show you every post in which that word occurs — such as ‘Ogvorbis’
@ Tethys 757
I never claimed that anyone was “mean”
I get it now. PZ doesn’t censor, Doug doesn’t think PZ should censor, Doug thinks he should censor but only on YouTube so his comments get voted down.
It’s mostly a question of endurance, surviving the seracs in the Khumbu icefall, having good weather, dealing with elevation and then the logjam of the Hillary Step. Technically it’s no K2 but it has its issues. Obviously.
Is this what Douglas wanted to talk about?
No. I’m supporting you.
@ Ogvorbis
“What is it you really want to say here? What is you actual goal?”
Well for one, I want to find effective way to combat bigotry on-line through brainstorming with like minded individuals.
I also consider making fun of someone’s intelligence (I worded that very badly before saying “insult someone’s intelligence”) to be very rude. Intelligence isn’t an accomplishment and shouldn’t be praised or made fun of <— my thoughts. However, (and it seems clear that FTB agrees) this can often be an effective means of persuasion especially it seems with bullies. So, where do you draw the line? What should we consider "fair game"? Anything goes? Or should there be lines drawn?
Your thoughts? (lets finish this before the next comment please)
@ Rev 766
Riiiiiight…. (that was quite clever actually, I lol’d)
Needs some Legendary Stardust Cowboy.
For some situations, calmly explaining works well. For others, insults work well. Sometimes abuse works. Sometimes using a person’s quotes to damn them works. Sometimes endless repetition works. There are no hard and fast rules for me except no threats, no ablist insults, no gendered insults, no racist insults. I feel free to insult someone’s writings, someone’s inability to grok the next step in what they have written. For me, the line is at certain insults — those that use part of who someone is rather than how they are acting — are over the line.
This is just me. Others may differ.
douglas1102
I have a three-digit IQ!!!!1!!
Then I suggest you try a Middle School, which would be in-line with your efforts so far. Including your inability to advance your argument…
Dougie, can I call you Dougie?…
Now that we’ve all moved past that embarrassing censorship kerfluffle, what topic has you all feistied up today?
@ Nerd 772
I said “Like-minded” not “similar education” Unless of course you’re talking “mind-set” if which case I may agree.
@ Rev 773
We’re doing it now, pay attention.
Melt-Banana
NEW THREAD.