On the subject of persecution, I see Uncommon Descent’s linking to the latest ID martyr site FreeGonzalez.com. They want to help “free Guillermo Gonzalez” – which came as a shock to me because I never realised he’d ever been imprisoned.
alexsays
I see Uncommon Descent’s linking to the latest ID martyr site FreeGonzalez.com.
ariba! ariba!
Ericsays
“Free Guillermo Gonzalez”
…to good home, all shots, not neutered.
Jsnsays
/Gonzalez “…self described geek-scientist…”/
Well, he’s half right.
Copernicsays
My seven year-old has read nearly 90% of Calvin and Hobbes via the book collection I’ve held for upwards of 15 years.
There’s no better teaching opportunity when a child asks;
“Dad, why would suffering build character?”
“What does ‘instant gratification’ mean?”
“How about ‘cynically manipulate the system’?”
And then the one I had no answer for “I notice your oeuvre is monochromatic.” I had no idea what that meant.
And then, this gem…”Dad, I don’t get this part….
‘Yes, Calvin is a god of the underworld! And the puny inhabitants of earth displease him!’…..what does this mean?”
Since a rejection of tenure from one university effectively locks candidates out from other public universities, Dr. Gonzalez’s reputation and career have been severely damaged by this episode
Yes the only choices are Christian Colleges like Grove City College which are a real step down.
Has no one ever wondered why Christian Colleges, with their inside lock on the TRUTH do not lead the world in science? If ID creationism is true, then you would expect major new discoveries on a daily basis as unblinkered scientists use their Biblical worldview to uncover spectacular breakthroughs.
Oil Companies don’t care about ideology – they want results. Flood Geology should enable them to better understand the Earth and pinpoint new deposits far better than Old Earth geologists labouring under the misapprehension that the Earth shows a long history of deposition, erosion and tectonic activity.
Understanding that the genome was designed should give creationists a huge advantage in genetics, we would expect the top geneticists to be Biblical literalists because they won’t waste time researching dead-ends resulting from a Darwinian worldview.
Academic censorship is irrelevant if you produce results. If Ponds and Fleischmann had delivered a working cold fusion cell, who would have cared if it was powered by an genie in a magic lantern?
Instead EVEN CREATIONISTS recognise that a job in a Christian College is academic wasteland with no chance of a productive research program.
JohnnieCanuck, FCDsays
I’m more of a Hobbesist, myself. He often got the last word with droll punch lines.
It occurs to me now that some of the fun was that the tiger’s imaginary character was more reality based than Calvin.
Etha Williamssays
“Don’t forget, Calvin is also a Math Atheist. This is just Big Math discriminating against the freedom to question whether 2+2 may or may not =4.”
In fact, with God all things are possible, including a sufficiently large value of 2 such that 2+2=5.
jsnsays
/Academic censorship is irrelevant if you produce results./
Exactly! Are you listening, Ben Stein?
Clelandsays
Harrison I still haven’t forgiven Sam Watterson for retiring the strip!
Bill Watterson is Calvin’s creator. Isn’t Sam Watterson the guy on Law & Order?
Dahansays
My favorite is when I see those little decals on vehicles that show Calvin praying before the cross. Just FYI, there are no licensed Calvin and Hobbes decals. Waterson fought a long legal battle against his publisher over that, believing that merchandising the strip would be wrong.
So every one of those “Calvin and the cross” decals you see are in fact examples of stolen artistic rights. Nice way to show your belief in god, by stealing.
Jonsays
This is kind of like what the Expelled movie was talking about. One apparent “silencing” technique is firing people.
MAJeff, OMsays
This is kind of like what the Expelled movie was talking about. One apparent “silencing” technique is firing people
Do you mean not granting tenure (Gonzalez) and not re-hiring once a contract has expired because of a demonstration of incompetence (Crocker) or not being employed (at the Smithsonian, for example) in the first place (Sternberg)?
Jonsays
Hmmm. I was not aware of this. But, I guess I’m just curious how many scientists work at large universities and believe in Intelligent Design. Thanks for this bit of important info.
But, I guess I’m just curious how many scientists work at large universities and believe in Intelligent Design.
it’s a very tiny number.
OTOH, there are plenty of scientists working at universities who are xians.
Clelandsays
This is kind of like what the Expelled movie was talking about. One apparent “silencing” technique is firing people.
I believe that’s why PZ posted it. The people complaining about having been fired (and such reports have been greatly exaggerated) are just as ridiculous as Calvin is being here. You can say whatever you want, but don’t be surprised if people criticize you for spouting unscientific nonsense and trying to call it science. As far as anyone in the scientific community can tell, ID is pretty much as relevant to science as dinosaurs in rocket ships are to first-grade math.
marc buhlersays
Is there some sort of ‘denial-of-service’ attack going on directed at Panda’s Thumb??
IT’s been hours since I have been about to get their page to load.
(Oh – great comic, too!)
NoniMausasays
“But, I guess I’m just curious how many scientists work at large universities and believe in Intelligent Design.”
So far, I haven’t seen any way for anyone to *believe* in ID. Like, I haven’t seen any hypotheses and structures of understanding, no proposal as to how you would test, etc. (Old news, I know, but I don’t get out much.)
Like they say, “You can lead a horse to water, but after that you have to hold him under.”
now it will never leave your head!
Posted by: Ichthyic | April 20, 2008 2:18 AM
It doesn’t happen often, but it is times like this that make suffering from short-term memory function loss quite a bearable concept…
As an aside, whenever I hear that song, it isn’t just the movie in general that pops into my head, but – aside from the obvious and hilarious image of Chris Kattan holding the boombox over his head – it also reminds me of the part where Will Ferrell was doing the ambulance pick-up line. I have no idea why it reminds me of this, but it does, and I laugh…every time.
Etha Williamssays
#26 MAJeff —
When I learned the actual details on these alleged cases of ‘persecution’ I was actually a bit disappointed that some of the people *weren’t* fired for their ID activities. If you go against the scientific method to the extent that it is informing and/or interfering with your research and/or your teaching, you should be summarily fired. There is no reason a scientific journal, department, or school should continue employing people who do not understand the basic principles of the scientific method.
What is love/
Love is what the creator of Calvin and Hobbes did for us.
Kimpatsusays
@Copernic: And then the one I had no answer for “I notice your oeuvre is monochromatic.” I had no idea what that meant.
It means you only paint or draw in black and white.
Ichthyicsays
but it is times like this that make suffering from short-term memory function loss quite a bearable concept…
sorry to hear that, but yeah, I’d say that could be quite a benefit given how much 80’s music and pop-culture gets endlessly recycled these days.
Michellesays
Ah yes. Calvin and hobbes… Maybe I should start reading them back! That thing was such pure genius.
Howard Appelsays
Quite a number of years ago I had my heart broken (very badly and into many small pieces), after which I vowed that I would never again become involved with a “married Mormon woman who went to USC undergrad, who was my study partner in law school and who DID NOT KNOW WHO CALVIN AND HOBBES were.” She also didn’t know about Doonesbury.
Obviously, I made a mistake and I paid for it. Never again. If they don’t about Calvin and Hobbes or Doonesbury, we have no frame of reference.
Calvin & Hobbes is the coolest comic ever. Period.
Legal Questionsays
You described it as sleaze for the producers of Expelled to use a clip from a song without permission. (The fact that the movie may be stupid and lame is irrelevant.) Do you have a license to reproduce this Calvin & Hobbes strip? Do you have a license to reproduce the cartoon in the more recent post?
If not, why? What excuses the reproductions?
One difference is that suing you would probably be wasteful, but this does this make any acts of infringement okay. Is it obvious that this use is fair use and the use in the movie is not? How so? There is no special fair use provision for blogs. There is no firm rule that non-profit reproductions are fair. There is no Supreme Court case saying bloggers may fairly reproduce whatever.
Like the makers of a movie, you can’t really know if something is fair use until you spend bucket-loads of money litigating the question. So, again assuming you have no licenses for these acts of copying and assuming you didn’t get a declaratory judgment from a court that these uses are fair, why haven’t you done something sleazy?
I’ve been wanting to do a Cthulhu/C&H parody of an old Campbell’s Soup ad campaign. The one with the slogan “Soup that eats like a meal.” Now, isn’t that just begging for it?
Oh, how I love Calvin and Hobbes… so poignant, yet so flippant.
And Sternberg thought he was prosecuted.
alas, if only all kids were allowed the academic freedom to refuse to learn owt at school. it would have made it so much easier to fail media studies.
Oh, that is just so perfectly appropriate.
The Lio comic strip offered a macabre tribute to Calvin and Hobbes in a January 2008 strip, preserved here at Preypacer’s Journal.
http://xkcd.com/409/
Randall Munroe recently posted a funny Calvin and Hobbes comic of his own. His comment: “Unsafe vehicles, hills and philosophy go hand in hand.”
I miss the days of C&H.
Man alive. I love Calvin and Hobbes SO much. Basically, I judge people if they say they dont like it hahaha.
He even has an imaginary friend. How apt.
On the subject of persecution, I see Uncommon Descent’s linking to the latest ID martyr site FreeGonzalez.com. They want to help “free Guillermo Gonzalez” – which came as a shock to me because I never realised he’d ever been imprisoned.
ariba! ariba!
…to good home, all shots, not neutered.
/Gonzalez “…self described geek-scientist…”/
Well, he’s half right.
My seven year-old has read nearly 90% of Calvin and Hobbes via the book collection I’ve held for upwards of 15 years.
There’s no better teaching opportunity when a child asks;
“Dad, why would suffering build character?”
“What does ‘instant gratification’ mean?”
“How about ‘cynically manipulate the system’?”
And then the one I had no answer for “I notice your oeuvre is monochromatic.” I had no idea what that meant.
And then, this gem…”Dad, I don’t get this part….
‘Yes, Calvin is a god of the underworld! And the puny inhabitants of earth displease him!’…..what does this mean?”
What does this mean, indeed?
Perfect!
Free Gonzalez for everyone!
Starbix
“Don’t Panic.” -Douglas Adams
Don’t forget, Calvin is also a Math Atheist. This is just Big Math discriminating against the freedom to question whether 2+2 may or may not =4.
Starbix
“Don’t Panic.” -Douglas Adams
Contrary to popular belief, it would seem we’re all Calvinists, here. :)
I still haven’t forgiven Sam Watterson for retiring the strip!
Freegonzalez.com is owned by
Eaton, David
[email protected]
20690 Linwood Rd
Excelsior, MN 55331
US
Phone: 952-470-8675
(Whois record 19 April 2008)
He’s a well known Intelligent Design Creationist with a drive to circumvent the 1st Amendment.
I love this quote from the site:
Yes the only choices are Christian Colleges like Grove City College which are a real step down.
Has no one ever wondered why Christian Colleges, with their inside lock on the TRUTH do not lead the world in science? If ID creationism is true, then you would expect major new discoveries on a daily basis as unblinkered scientists use their Biblical worldview to uncover spectacular breakthroughs.
Oil Companies don’t care about ideology – they want results. Flood Geology should enable them to better understand the Earth and pinpoint new deposits far better than Old Earth geologists labouring under the misapprehension that the Earth shows a long history of deposition, erosion and tectonic activity.
Understanding that the genome was designed should give creationists a huge advantage in genetics, we would expect the top geneticists to be Biblical literalists because they won’t waste time researching dead-ends resulting from a Darwinian worldview.
Academic censorship is irrelevant if you produce results. If Ponds and Fleischmann had delivered a working cold fusion cell, who would have cared if it was powered by an genie in a magic lantern?
Instead EVEN CREATIONISTS recognise that a job in a Christian College is academic wasteland with no chance of a productive research program.
I’m more of a Hobbesist, myself. He often got the last word with droll punch lines.
It occurs to me now that some of the fun was that the tiger’s imaginary character was more reality based than Calvin.
“Don’t forget, Calvin is also a Math Atheist. This is just Big Math discriminating against the freedom to question whether 2+2 may or may not =4.”
In fact, with God all things are possible, including a sufficiently large value of 2 such that 2+2=5.
/Academic censorship is irrelevant if you produce results./
Exactly! Are you listening, Ben Stein?
Harrison
I still haven’t forgiven Sam Watterson for retiring the strip!
Bill Watterson is Calvin’s creator. Isn’t Sam Watterson the guy on Law & Order?
My favorite is when I see those little decals on vehicles that show Calvin praying before the cross. Just FYI, there are no licensed Calvin and Hobbes decals. Waterson fought a long legal battle against his publisher over that, believing that merchandising the strip would be wrong.
So every one of those “Calvin and the cross” decals you see are in fact examples of stolen artistic rights. Nice way to show your belief in god, by stealing.
This is kind of like what the Expelled movie was talking about. One apparent “silencing” technique is firing people.
This is kind of like what the Expelled movie was talking about. One apparent “silencing” technique is firing people
Do you mean not granting tenure (Gonzalez) and not re-hiring once a contract has expired because of a demonstration of incompetence (Crocker) or not being employed (at the Smithsonian, for example) in the first place (Sternberg)?
Hmmm. I was not aware of this. But, I guess I’m just curious how many scientists work at large universities and believe in Intelligent Design. Thanks for this bit of important info.
Hmmm. I was not aware of this.
http://www.expelledexposed.com/
But, I guess I’m just curious how many scientists work at large universities and believe in Intelligent Design.
it’s a very tiny number.
OTOH, there are plenty of scientists working at universities who are xians.
This is kind of like what the Expelled movie was talking about. One apparent “silencing” technique is firing people.
I believe that’s why PZ posted it. The people complaining about having been fired (and such reports have been greatly exaggerated) are just as ridiculous as Calvin is being here. You can say whatever you want, but don’t be surprised if people criticize you for spouting unscientific nonsense and trying to call it science. As far as anyone in the scientific community can tell, ID is pretty much as relevant to science as dinosaurs in rocket ships are to first-grade math.
Is there some sort of ‘denial-of-service’ attack going on directed at Panda’s Thumb??
IT’s been hours since I have been about to get their page to load.
(Oh – great comic, too!)
“But, I guess I’m just curious how many scientists work at large universities and believe in Intelligent Design.”
So far, I haven’t seen any way for anyone to *believe* in ID. Like, I haven’t seen any hypotheses and structures of understanding, no proposal as to how you would test, etc. (Old news, I know, but I don’t get out much.)
Like they say, “You can lead a horse to water, but after that you have to hold him under.”
Night night,
Noni
I can’t log on to Panda’s Thumb either. It could just be struggling with unusually high traffic this weekend in the wake of Expelled‘s release.
Here’s a question: What is love? (I’m not talking about that 80’s song–first thing that popped in my head)
I should be sleeping right now.
What is love? (I’m not talking about that 80’s song–first thing that popped in my head)
muhahahahahaha!
http://www.clipshack.com/Clip.aspx?key=569D93DA82F9E782
now it will never leave your head!
now it will never leave your head!
Posted by: Ichthyic | April 20, 2008 2:18 AM
It doesn’t happen often, but it is times like this that make suffering from short-term memory function loss quite a bearable concept…
As an aside, whenever I hear that song, it isn’t just the movie in general that pops into my head, but – aside from the obvious and hilarious image of Chris Kattan holding the boombox over his head – it also reminds me of the part where Will Ferrell was doing the ambulance pick-up line. I have no idea why it reminds me of this, but it does, and I laugh…every time.
#26 MAJeff —
When I learned the actual details on these alleged cases of ‘persecution’ I was actually a bit disappointed that some of the people *weren’t* fired for their ID activities. If you go against the scientific method to the extent that it is informing and/or interfering with your research and/or your teaching, you should be summarily fired. There is no reason a scientific journal, department, or school should continue employing people who do not understand the basic principles of the scientific method.
#34 your vid doesnt work, try this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBSLZuHYelI
What is love/
Love is what the creator of Calvin and Hobbes did for us.
@Copernic:
And then the one I had no answer for “I notice your oeuvre is monochromatic.” I had no idea what that meant.
It means you only paint or draw in black and white.
but it is times like this that make suffering from short-term memory function loss quite a bearable concept…
sorry to hear that, but yeah, I’d say that could be quite a benefit given how much 80’s music and pop-culture gets endlessly recycled these days.
Ah yes. Calvin and hobbes… Maybe I should start reading them back! That thing was such pure genius.
Quite a number of years ago I had my heart broken (very badly and into many small pieces), after which I vowed that I would never again become involved with a “married Mormon woman who went to USC undergrad, who was my study partner in law school and who DID NOT KNOW WHO CALVIN AND HOBBES were.” She also didn’t know about Doonesbury.
Obviously, I made a mistake and I paid for it. Never again. If they don’t about Calvin and Hobbes or Doonesbury, we have no frame of reference.
Calvin & Hobbes is the coolest comic ever. Period.
You described it as sleaze for the producers of Expelled to use a clip from a song without permission. (The fact that the movie may be stupid and lame is irrelevant.) Do you have a license to reproduce this Calvin & Hobbes strip? Do you have a license to reproduce the cartoon in the more recent post?
If not, why? What excuses the reproductions?
One difference is that suing you would probably be wasteful, but this does this make any acts of infringement okay. Is it obvious that this use is fair use and the use in the movie is not? How so? There is no special fair use provision for blogs. There is no firm rule that non-profit reproductions are fair. There is no Supreme Court case saying bloggers may fairly reproduce whatever.
Like the makers of a movie, you can’t really know if something is fair use until you spend bucket-loads of money litigating the question. So, again assuming you have no licenses for these acts of copying and assuming you didn’t get a declaratory judgment from a court that these uses are fair, why haven’t you done something sleazy?
I’ve been wanting to do a Cthulhu/C&H parody of an old Campbell’s Soup ad campaign. The one with the slogan “Soup that eats like a meal.” Now, isn’t that just begging for it?