Discourse matters


Turkish women talk back to Erdoğan.

Sixty-five Turkish women‘s rights organizations took out a full page advertisement in a mass circulation daily newspaper Thursday condemning President Recep Tayyip Erdogan over his remarks this week that equality between men and women goes against “nature.”

The advertisement in Hurriyet newspaper, one of the best-selling dailies in the country, comes three days after the president said Islam dictated that women should prioritize motherhood and slammed feminists.

“Women and men have equal rights,” the women‘s groups wrote, adding that Turkey already lags behind international indices in terms of gender equality.

They noted that Erdogan has made similar disparaging statements towards women in the past and charged that the president‘s remarks violates the constitution and international treaties Turkey has signed.

“We are not going to give in to inequality,” the statement said, calling for women to rise up and defend their protected rights.

Well hey now. He was just talking. It’s just something he said. It’s just culture. Hasn’t Christina Hoff Sommers been telling us to stop objecting to sexism in the culture? That’s certainly the message I’ve been getting from Sommers and her allies – that feminism has already done the necessary and we have total equality, so all this talk about stereotypes and tropes is just melodrama and victim feminism.

Let’s see what Erdoğan did say. The Guardian reported on Monday:

“Our religion [Islam] has defined a position for women: motherhood,” Erdoğan said at a summit in Istanbul on justice for women, speaking to an audience including his own daughter Sumeyye.

“Some people can understand this, while others can’t. You cannot explain this to feminists because they don’t accept the concept of motherhood.”

Wut?

Does he think feminists deny that it takes a uterus and Fallopian tubes to gestate a baby?

More likely, that’s how he chose to frame the fact that feminists think women should not be restricted to motherhood. Feminists don’t accept the claim he started with: that any religion or any other system of ideas gets to define a single position for all women. That’s the claim that we don’t “understand” in the sense that we flatly reject it.

“Motherhood is something else,” he said, claiming that it should be a woman’s priority because Islam exalts women as mothers.

He went on to say that women and men could not be treated equally “because it goes against the laws of nature”.

“Their characters, habits and physiques are different … You cannot place a mother breastfeeding her baby on an equal footing with men.”

Sure you can. Everybody is different. Individuals are different. People are different. That by itself is not a reason to take away their rights.

Aylin Nazliaka, an MP from the main opposition Republican People’s party said Erdoğan “ostracised” women by portraying them as delicate, weak and powerless and limiting their role to motherhood.

“Erdoğan has publicly committed a hate crime … But I will continue to fight this man who sees no difference between terrorists and feminists,” she said in a written statement.

Sule Zeybek, an anchorwoman at the Turkish broadcaster Kanal D, hit back at Erdoğan’s comments live on television during a news bulletin.

“I am a feminist and thank God I’m a mum. I wouldn’t kiss my mother’s feet but I have great respect for her,” she said.

Culture. They’re all talking about culture. They’re talking about expectations, and stereotypes, and discourse. Soft stuff. Not stoning and FGM and child marriage, but more abstract oppressions and subordinations.

Why? Because all of that matters. It matters in Turkey, it matters here, it matters in the UK and Australia, it matters in Malaysia and Saudi Arabia. All the places.

 

 

 

Comments

  1. Anthony K says

    The job of President of Turkey must not pay well if he has to resort to drama for the clicks.

    “Our religion [Islam] has defined a position for women: motherhood,” Erdoğan said at a summit in Istanbul on justice for women, speaking to an audience including his own daughter Sumeyye.

    “Some people can understand this, while others can’t. You cannot explain this to feminists because they don’t accept the concept of motherhood.”

    And the proper role of mothers with respect to vidya games is to nuke Hot Pockets® for their men who are playing the vidyo games. It’s basic biology. Stop fighting evolution, feminists!

  2. Trebuchet says

    Our religion [Islam] has defined a position for women: motherhood,” Erdoğan said at a summit in Istanbul on justice for women, speaking to an audience including his own daughter Sumeyye.

    “Some people can understand this, while others can’t. You cannot explain this to feminists because they don’t accept the concept of motherhood.

    So, he’s a conservative Christian then? Or maybe a Roman Catholic?

  3. A Hermit says

    “Their characters, habits and physiques are different…

    Sounds exactly like the superficial evo-psych arguments I keep hearing.

  4. says

    If we got rid of everything that goes “against nature” tomorrow we’d all be outside, naked, foraging for food, and eating whatever we could get our hands on. Bang, there goes several tenets of Islam, including certain foods being unacceptable, women having to dress modestly, and having to pray facing Mecca five times a day. After all none of those things are natural, they’re all things created by human beings.

  5. brett says

    I imagine Erdogan’s response – if he has one – won’t be pleasant either. He’s gotten more thuggish, aggressive, and authoritarian over the years – truth is that he served his most useful purpose in destroying the possibility of further military coups in Turkey. If he had disappeared into thin air not long after, Turkey would be a better place.

  6. sumdum says

    I’d like to quote Kemal Ataturk. From a longer text:

    If you say women should not be equal to men and should be covered in black sheets in order to flee from the wrath of bigots

    If you say you don’t want to see our women and daughters to get an education just because you believe this is their fate

    Forget everything I said
    Destroy and shatter the statues you have built of me

    Seems Mr Erdogan doesn’t really believe in the Turkey that Ataturk envisioned.

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