Over at Barbwire, Robert Oscar Lopez has an article up on how to be a Manly, testosterone laden STRAIGHT DUDE, complete with ten ‘tips’ for getting over that awful gay. There’s so much material (two dense pages), I’m just going to pull bits here and there, you can check the whole mess for yourself, and calling it a mess is a serious understatement. As well as all the lies of the “ex-gay” bullshit, there’s a serious misconception of just what a “straight man” is, too. There’s a full embrace of toxic masculinity, along with some incredible mistakes in that regard. Altogether, it’s terribly pathetic, a complete caricature of being a man, a cartoon construct filled with desperation.
I don’t have much more time before the law makes it illegal for me to share the ten tips I will share in this blog. So I better type quickly and give you ten tips on: how to go from gay to straight. I am speaking from some expertise, but mostly from my own experience. These tips will be helpful if you find yourself wanting to get out of the gay world but your goal is not celibacy.
Oh, I see the drama has not been forsaken. It will be illegal to talk about my desire to be a straight dude, oh no!!1!!
There are certain perks about being gay that you are going to miss. For instance, if you identify as gay, people pity you and give you less responsibility for being a jerk. You get to be a complete whore and have that called liberation. Sex is easy to get and commitments easy to flake out on.
It’s a bad start, painting the queer communities all over the world this way, like a bad ’80s movie. Cruuuuise, baybee! Anyone can be a jerk. Anyone can sleep around. Sex is not always easy to get. Anyone can be afraid of commitment. Unfortunately, Mr. Lopez is all about the stereotypes.
In the gay world, you may have competed from time to time for the attention of men with nice physiques; now, you will be fighting against men with even more well-developed physiques, trying to achieve victory over them in order to win for yourself a coveted prize: a virtuous and desirable wife.
Soon you will see how much harder life is for straight guys.
:Snortsputter: Sorry, almost choked on my tea there. Oh yes, let’s hear it for the poor, pathetic straight dudes. Their lives are so gosh darn hard, livin’ the status quo! Now maybe it’s just me, but I haven’t really noticed a tonne of straight dudes with even MORE well-developed physiques wandering about. Maybe it’s where I live, but there seems to be a preponderance of pot bellies.
Once you go straight, you may go years without sex; nobody wants to hear you cry about it. Once you find your woman, you can’t just blow off things she complains about. You have to sit and listen to her whine about stupid stuff for hours without laughing or rolling your eyes or getting snarky.
I’m not sure the sacrifice is worth this, and while Mr. Lopez goes on and on about the big prize of a wife, owning that there woman, he paints a picture of complete subjection to said woman, and you just have to take it, because that’s the price you pay. There’s not one bloody word about finding a partner, a friend, someone to share your life with love and care. And I have to say, no one is getting my damn snark. It’s all mine, and I’m not sacrificing for anyone.
Most importantly, once you go straight, nobody wants to hear you complain or talk about your problems. The minute you leave gay identity behind, you go from being a pitiable and pathetic victim to a grown man with the ability to solve his own problems. This means you cannot break down or become defeatist, and you cannot expect sympathy just for being you. When straight men threaten to kill themselves if people do not give them what they want, this is called abusive rather than the grounds for a hashtag campaign.
So…you’re saying straight men suck at being friends? All the gay people I know are not considered to be pitiable or pathetic by anyone, least of all themselves, and I’m afraid they get stuck with solving their own problems, just like everyone else, you stupid dipshit. Of course straight men can break down, they can become defeatist, and depressed, just as anyone can, and that calls for support and help, not that you’d offer any, Mr. Lopez. And more to the point, Mr. Lopez, it’s perfectly normal and alright for straight men to break down, feel defeatist, or become depressed. No man should feel like he cannot reach out for help or that men don’t deserve help. Keeping crap all bottled up is the reason why a lot of angry, straight, mostly white men end up going on mass killings. It’s horrible, evil, toxic bullshit that men are supposed to be silent sufferers, that “real” men don’t do this and don’t do that. It’s a shit attitude, and it’s harmful. People are people, and all people should be able to reach out when they are in need, with no stigma attached.
Perhaps the biggest transformation signifies the most important change: your sexual identity will no longer be based on what you want, but rather, what you give to a woman. You must abandon the practice of dwelling on whether you like this or are excited by that–the issue now is: what body do you have, and how can it give pleasure to others? You have a penis, which is the basic piece of equipment to bring happiness to a woman (though you must make sure that match is right). But from now on, the quest is not to gratify your penis, but rather to give pleasure to her with it. You will measure your sex life by how happy she is, how pleasured she feels, how much satisfaction she expresses.
Did you get that, women? All it takes to make you happy is a penis. I wonder if Mr. Lopez knows you can avail yourself of a wide variety of detachable penises, in varying degrees of softness/hardness, colour, and size? Some of those bad boys even have convenient lotion or lube inside. Others have happy time batteries. Oh my! Personally, I don’t want a partner who is obsessed with only one side of the sexual aspect of the relationship.
You need to get healthy, with a decent body mass and strength. You need to be financially stable. If you join a gym, don’t join one with gay men in it. Be around masculine men and pick up their mannerisms and humor. Do not listen to women who say they want sensitive men or an equal share of power in the household; women want leadership, strength, and guidance from men. You have to become a rock of fortitude, a source of security–for men, that is the love we give. And you have to be in good enough shape to make her body feel unbelievable pleasures she might have never imagined.
Just how does one avoid a gym with even one gay person in it? How would you know? I’m pretty sure going around and asking people if they’re some flavour of queer would get you promptly kicked out. Oh, and security is nice, but I prefer my partner to actually like and love me.
The manosphere may shock you (I mean sites like Roosh’s Return of Kings) with its misogyny and vulgarity. But you need to hear the thoughts of straight guys.
Those are not the thoughts of straight dudes, Mr. Lopez. Those are the thoughts of toxic assholes, who are not the least bit interested in finding a wife; they’re into the dark side of that whoredom business, using, abusing, and tossing. It’s all about notches. As for the thoughts of straight guys, well here’s the thing: you’re talking about a fucktonne of individuals, Mr. Lopez, and most of them are not represented by the toxic manosphere. You seem to buying into this notion that a manly man has to be a toxic, misogynistic asshole. Straight dudes are not a hive mind, or any other type of collective.
It will also educate you on how straight men deal with setbacks and frustration. You need to increase your masculinity and self-confidence before you start dating girls. In addition to spending your time online in these kinds of environments, you want to do activities that place you in contact with straight men, and do not confide in other guys everything you are dealing with. Part of being a man is not having to talk about everything in your head, and just listening to what other people do. If you want to be in a relationship with a woman, you need to become a man — the kind of person who can be stalwart, unflappable, strong, and reliable, someone with no problems or drama. Being around straight men will gradually help you get there.
Ah, the school of stiff upper lip and penis! You don’t need anymore than that, straight men!
In crass terms, when you become a woman’s sexual partner (husband), the sex life of the marriage will largely depend on your sexual performance. You will need strong abdominal muscles, gluteal muscles, arms, and legs. You want your woman to feel like a powerful animal has her in his power, who instead of crushing her is using his strength to lift her out of the doldrums of this world into a dreamworld of ecstasy and limitless wonder. For her, sex is a vacation like riding the jet skis in Jamaica. You are the stallion she will ride into glory. But to be that stallion, you need to be muscular, have high testosterone, and be fit.
I, uh, I oh gods…falls over laughing. I think Mr. Lopez may have been reading a tonne of bad bodice rippers. A good sex life is one in which all the performances count. If this is just about you, might as well toss the wife a nice detachable penis, and go back to masturbating.
Okay, that’s it for me. I can’t take anymore. I’m going to go clean instead. Yikes. You can read all two pages of compleat shit here.
1) My brain shortened to “stiff upper penis”, and I’m not sure how that’s supposed to work. Thanks, brain. Enough of work, we’re going home.
2) On the one hand, focussing entirely on Wife’s pleasure during sex is kind of neat (I mean, a statement like “You will measure your sex life by how happy she is, how pleasured she feels, how much satisfaction she expresses.” in a different context wouldn’t be all that bad.)…
3) … on the other, it ain’t just a penis that can “lift [me] out of the doldrums of this world into a dreamworld of ecstasy and limitless wonder”; there’s several other useful body parts that can assist and perform here. So you might want to work on more than just your glutes, Lopez. Your character would be a nice start.
The local Spa Lady gym probably has no gay men in it.
But I don’t think that would work for his plan.
Given that most of the proudly straight men one comes across on the internet are whiny little shits, that’s hilarious.
Rob @ 3, too true!
And y’know, there are, I’m sure, people in the world with no problems at all, but I don’t know any of them.
As for this:
No, sex is not like a vacation, in Jamaica or anywhere else. And I’d spend my time diving.
I have apparently been doing straight all wrong for decades. But if I have to wallow in the fetid swamp of Return of Kings to be properly straight, I’ll pass.
And I feel really bad for any one who doesn’t have a friend they can have a good cry with.
Dave:
Me too. After my diagnosis, Rick was on the phone to his friends who had been through treatment, and spent several hours getting good and unglued, and having a cry. I’m so grateful his friends were there for him.
“I don’t have much more time before the law makes it illegal for me to share the ten tips I will share in this blog. So I better type quickly and give you ten tips on: how to go from gay to straight.”
So gay is bad but drama queen is good?
Jeepers creepers. Going by his list of requirements of straighthood, he’s making being gay sound pretty sweet. Too bad I don’t seem to have the underlying attraction to guys.
Are we sure this isn’t all some kind of reverse psychology?
Don:
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t meant that way, but I think that’s the general effect it would have.
I’ll pass on reading the full two pages of this blather. I have no idea how to be properly straight and I have zero experience with stable relationships, but those excerpts read like a bad parody of a bad parody.
Doesn’t look like it, does it. ‘Cause that was all rather pathetic. And pitiable. Certainly not what I’d expect from a “grown man”.
Oh my, I wasn’t aware this was the definition of “husband”. And here I thought you could have a sexual partner without having a husband, and you could have a husband without having a sexual partner. Guess that’s bad news for both unmarried couples and married asexuals, turns out they don’t exist!
I have been rendered speechless.
Something about this was feeling familiar, and I promise that I don’t make a habit of reading “ex-gay” stuff. When we got to “You want your woman to feel like a powerful animal has her in his power…” it hit me. I’ve read very similar sentiment in gay erotica, where a smaller bottom was talking about his heavily muscled lover in similar ways. It actually went further than this, rather than being “lifted into a dreamworld” he talked about being frightened by the power of his lover, he called the experience a roller coaster because of the flipping between fear and pleasure. And as to being a “Stallion” that your partner rides to glory… umm… that sounds pretty gay. It is curious, though, that his metaphors always involve the woman riding the man. She rides the stallion and she rides the jetski.
I know nothing of Lopez, and I don’t care to learn any more than I’ve already gotten from the excerpts, but I’m going to hazard a guess. I think he was a bottom, probably a submissive bottom. I think when he decided to do the whole ex-gay thing he proceeded with the understanding that the bottom was being the “woman” of the relationship, so to become a straight man he needed to emulate the men he had been having sex with and he had to treat women as he had been treated. Either he had a limited understanding of what his partners were, or he was banging assholes. So to speak.
Of course I can’t say for certain, but it sure explains the rest of this. Take his view that the penis is the keystone to female sexual pleasure. Now I’m not an expert on female sexual pleasure, but I’ve had enough experiences to know what has worked, and I’ve read women talking about their side of things, and it seems that women just aren’t that into the penis. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying my ex-gf hated mine or anything, but let’s say it wasn’t the key to everything. I guess it sounds stereotypical, but in my experience bottom gay men have been the ones to be obsessed about dicks. They’re the ones that worship it. Again, I think he’s projecting his past experiences onto women, assuming that they’re what he was and is trying not to continue to be.
I was laughing when I read this out to my (gay) boyfriend, I only realized how many times the word “men” was repeated when I found myself accidentally putting ever more lustful energy into the delivery of that word as I started to get into the character of a man trying desperately not to be gay. But now I’m just sad. Sure, the slurs against gay men generated some outrage, but I’m left thinking that he’ll never make much of his attempts to cash in on the wingnut welfare train. He’s trying this hard to be something he isn’t but his writing drips with thinly veiled bitterness and desperation, and the most he’ll get from the conservative Christians he’s doing this to please is a pat on the head. The most he’ll ever be to them is a tool.
Nomad, that all makes complete sense. I was shaking my head the whole time I was reading, because there is a sense of desperate longing in all of it, a longing to be who he actually is, and not this pretend straight dude. The way he describes things, it sounds like torture to me, and I’d rather not have a relationship at all than to go that route.
Gay men are, get this, men. Depressed men are men. Emotive men are men. Men don’t have to perform masculinity to be men.
Since he’s coaching misguided gay men to set aside anyone they may be actually attracted to and take up with women, they might as well focus wholly on their partner, since they won’t be getting anything out of it. If some poor blokes follow this advice and manage to land a lover/ wife, they’ll be disappointed to find out that their chiseled abs and glorious glutes won’t keep her from noticing that he has zero interest. I wouldn’t want chore-sex and don’t imagine many other women would either.
Curious Digressions:
No. I got the distinct feeling that Mr. Lopez’s idea of great sex is him pumping away forfuckingever, as if his wife were an exercise board. The most boring sex ever.
Is this a ruse by Lopez to turn straight guys gay?
Because if I read that correctly, gay men who become straight can look forward to a lifetime of unfulfilling sex, affecting emotions, and never being cared for.
So, basically, the entirety of the “ex-gay” thing is an elaborate cosplay, where gay people pretend to be straight people. It’s not about gay people “becoming” straight, it’s about gay people “passing” as straight, For people like Lopez, then, the women they are seeking out aren’t “partners” so much as accessories.
I think that, without realizing it, Mr. Lopez just gave away the game of the ex-gay groups.
And his obsession with acting straight, acting like the misogynist shits in the “manosphere,” and modelling behavior on that of those dysfunctional nitwits is really pathetic.
Kremer:
That was my read too. I kept waiting to read something, anything, about having a caring partner, a lifelong friend, and so on, but nope, never showed.
Quoted for truth. I don’t really know where to begin to start here -- but this axiomatic truth that people are people seems like the right place.
Its basically the foundation of (my?) ethics I think. People are people just like you so treat them accordingly withcompassion, a minimum of respect and consideration for there but for luck of birth the will of the FSM, whatever goes you, me, everyone and anyone. Whoever and whatever else they might be.
Then remember that the world is bad enough already without anyone needing to make it worse and everyone needing to make it better. Oh &as the Beatles put it “its a fool who plays it cool by making his world a little colder” Or its a fool who plays it straight when they not and making their world and others that bit sadder and crueler and worse generally and so on..This sorta shit, whaddya do, laugh, cry, both? Just fucking hell. TFP.