Pierce R. Butler@#1: Pls fwd to Gary Johnson in Cluefree, New Mexico.
I wish. I suspect that they’re getting inundated with corrections already and my little jab won’t matter much.
The thing about this that bothers me is that the US media and government fawn over these power-mad totalitarians who talk about “regime change” like it’s a) their business b) something nice and easy and clean. It’s not: it’s the worst kind of revolution – it’s revolution without a clear political mandate. If there was a plurality of Syrians who wanted regime change, they would have probably done it by now. Going around trying to trigger revolutions for people isn’t nice. We wouldn’t tolerate it for a second if someone started talking about “regime changing” the US because it’s such a corporate oligarchy and maybe we need to blow up a few leaders with killer drones to balance the playing field.
Marcus Ranum @ # 2: … the US media and government fawn over these power-mad totalitarians who talk about “regime change” …
I somehow get along without much exposure to corporate media, but had the impression that particular euphemism went out with Bush/Cheney. They really haven’t come up with a new lie yet?
If there was a plurality of Syrians who wanted regime change, they would have probably done it by now.
Only if they were a large plurality, and agreed on a replacement regime that would not provoke some other significant fraction into resistance-unto-death. (If you have, say, 10 factions – 8 w/ 10% of the population apiece, 1 w/ 9%, & 1 w/ 11% – that last group would technically constitute a plurality, but has damn little chance of imposing its desires on the other 89%.)
… maybe we need to blow up a few leaders with killer drones to balance the playing field.
Tactically possible, perhaps, but strategically ineffective. Zap some fortunes with massive inheritance taxes, enact and enforce serious anti-trust laws, hobble the speculators with financial-transaction fees, put the take into infrastructure-jobs and education programs – then it may at least be possible to see both ends of the field from the middle.
Pierce R. Butler@#4: Only if they were a large plurality, and agreed on a replacement regime that would not provoke some other significant fraction into resistance-unto-death.
Yup, divide and conquer: it just works.
EnlightenmentLiberalsays
Tactically possible, perhaps, but strategically ineffective. Zap some fortunes with massive inheritance taxes, enact and enforce serious anti-trust laws, hobble the speculators with financial-transaction fees, put the take into infrastructure-jobs and education programs – then it may at least be possible to see both ends of the field from the middle.
EnlightenmentLiberal@#7:
I have weird ideas about that topic; I’m sure they wouldn’t work – but dealing with inheritable wealth is a huge piece of the problem.
Pierce R. Butler says
Pls fwd to Gary Johnson in Cluefree, New Mexico.
Marcus Ranum says
Pierce R. Butler@#1:
Pls fwd to Gary Johnson in Cluefree, New Mexico.
I wish. I suspect that they’re getting inundated with corrections already and my little jab won’t matter much.
The thing about this that bothers me is that the US media and government fawn over these power-mad totalitarians who talk about “regime change” like it’s a) their business b) something nice and easy and clean. It’s not: it’s the worst kind of revolution – it’s revolution without a clear political mandate. If there was a plurality of Syrians who wanted regime change, they would have probably done it by now. Going around trying to trigger revolutions for people isn’t nice. We wouldn’t tolerate it for a second if someone started talking about “regime changing” the US because it’s such a corporate oligarchy and maybe we need to blow up a few leaders with killer drones to balance the playing field.
Marcus Ranum says
PS – I know you know. I’m just ranting.
Pierce R. Butler says
Marcus Ranum @ # 2: … the US media and government fawn over these power-mad totalitarians who talk about “regime change” …
I somehow get along without much exposure to corporate media, but had the impression that particular euphemism went out with Bush/Cheney. They really haven’t come up with a new lie yet?
If there was a plurality of Syrians who wanted regime change, they would have probably done it by now.
Only if they were a large plurality, and agreed on a replacement regime that would not provoke some other significant fraction into resistance-unto-death. (If you have, say, 10 factions – 8 w/ 10% of the population apiece, 1 w/ 9%, & 1 w/ 11% – that last group would technically constitute a plurality, but has damn little chance of imposing its desires on the other 89%.)
… maybe we need to blow up a few leaders with killer drones to balance the playing field.
Tactically possible, perhaps, but strategically ineffective. Zap some fortunes with massive inheritance taxes, enact and enforce serious anti-trust laws, hobble the speculators with financial-transaction fees, put the take into infrastructure-jobs and education programs – then it may at least be possible to see both ends of the field from the middle.
irisvanderpluym says
Pierce R. Butler @4 re: “regime change”
Nope.
Marcus Ranum says
Pierce R. Butler@#4:
Only if they were a large plurality, and agreed on a replacement regime that would not provoke some other significant fraction into resistance-unto-death.
Yup, divide and conquer: it just works.
EnlightenmentLiberal says
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Please this.
Marcus Ranum says
EnlightenmentLiberal@#7:
I have weird ideas about that topic; I’m sure they wouldn’t work – but dealing with inheritable wealth is a huge piece of the problem.
EnlightenmentLiberal says
Very agreed.