Doesn’t the adaptability of Christianity contribute to its success?
John Moralessays
Nevertheless, it is a wonderful opportunity to share our love with friends and family and commit acts of goodwill for those that are less fortunate. It is a time for children to revel in their innocence and wonder about the world, and adults to find their inner child.
Ah, the exception that proves the rule.
Presumably, when it’s not Xmas, there is no wonderful opportunity to share our love with friends and family and commit acts of goodwill for those that are less fortunate and no time for children to revel in their innocence and wonder about the world, and adults to find their inner child.
Bah.
Rob Grigjanissays
Matt G @2: Any successful religion (or ideology) needs hooks to reel in the supporters. Celebrations of the equinoxes and solstices have almost certainly been ‘repurposed’ by multiple religions since forever. Nothing special about Christianity in that regard.
(If it’s the season of goodwill, then other seasons aren’t seasons of goodwill)
chigau (違う)says
John Morales
Bless your heart.
Holmssays
Did anyone say it was unique?
No.
Steve Morrisonsays
How true is this, though? I’ve seen numerous history sites debunking the popular belief that many Christmas traditions, or the date of Christmas itself, are inherited from paganism; here is one for a start.
John Moralessays
No worries, Holms. Not unique. Not special.
One could equally say “is a wonderful opportunity to share our love with friends and family and commit acts of goodwill for those that are less fortunate. It is a time for children to revel in their innocence and wonder about the world, and adults to find their inner child.” about any day at all.
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FWIW:
John Moralessays
Steve @11, there’s a lot of mixing of local cultural stuff with a religion (just like McDonalds in France is not the same as in the USA). Christendom has historically been pretty good at incorporating local vagaries into its permitted public practice, in particular where the religion was forcibly imposed.
Steve Morrison@11, Here’s another. Stresses how fragmentary and hard to interpret the relevant sources are.
brightmoonsays
I figured out that december 25th was a way to celebrate the light side of the year and avoid the solstice half day when I was a child. That said , I always liked the season as my dysfunctional family seemed to be less dysfunctional around this time of year . They didn’t want the coal that being bad would have gotten them from Santa . It amused me and of course, I didn’t miss the toxic behavior. They never figured it out!
Alan G. Humphrey says
The second image from today’s Stderr is what reveling in the innocence and wonder that is still the state of AI can lead to:
https://proxy.freethought.online/stderr/2023/12/25/merry-whatever/
Matt G says
Doesn’t the adaptability of Christianity contribute to its success?
John Morales says
Ah, the exception that proves the rule.
Presumably, when it’s not Xmas, there is no wonderful opportunity to share our love with friends and family and commit acts of goodwill for those that are less fortunate and no time for children to revel in their innocence and wonder about the world, and adults to find their inner child.
Bah.
Rob Grigjanis says
Matt G @2: Any successful religion (or ideology) needs hooks to reel in the supporters. Celebrations of the equinoxes and solstices have almost certainly been ‘repurposed’ by multiple religions since forever. Nothing special about Christianity in that regard.
chigau (違う) says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule
which one?
Mano Singham says
John @#2,
Linus’s statement that it is “a wonderful opportunity” does not imply that it is the only opportunity.
John Morales says
Mano, true, but then it’s real meaning is… well, nothing special, is it? Definitely not unique.
In real life: https://www.psychologicalhealthcare.com.au/blog/christmas-stress/
John Morales says
chigau, which one what?
But, presuming you mean the rule, https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/season-of-goodwill
(If it’s the season of goodwill, then other seasons aren’t seasons of goodwill)
chigau (違う) says
John Morales
Bless your heart.
Holms says
Did anyone say it was unique?
No.
Steve Morrison says
How true is this, though? I’ve seen numerous history sites debunking the popular belief that many Christmas traditions, or the date of Christmas itself, are inherited from paganism; here is one for a start.
John Morales says
No worries, Holms. Not unique. Not special.
One could equally say “is a wonderful opportunity to share our love with friends and family and commit acts of goodwill for those that are less fortunate. It is a time for children to revel in their innocence and wonder about the world, and adults to find their inner child.” about any day at all.
—
FWIW:
John Morales says
Steve @11, there’s a lot of mixing of local cultural stuff with a religion (just like McDonalds in France is not the same as in the USA). Christendom has historically been pretty good at incorporating local vagaries into its permitted public practice, in particular where the religion was forcibly imposed.
Different places, different festivities. Fact.
cf.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_syncretism#Christianity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observance_of_Christmas_by_country
And the converse happens, of course.
Thus, for example, Asian countries “celebrating” Xmas too, in their own way.
(PZ had a post about one such instance)
John Morales says
[OT]
I’ve discovered many people imagine Christianity has always been an European thing.
Thing is, only eventually, after much fighting.
cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades
(Gruesome reading if one gets into detail, but then, not as bad as what the Christians did in the Americas)
KG says
Linus is completely wrong!
KG says
Steve Morrison@11,
Here’s another. Stresses how fragmentary and hard to interpret the relevant sources are.
brightmoon says
I figured out that december 25th was a way to celebrate the light side of the year and avoid the solstice half day when I was a child. That said , I always liked the season as my dysfunctional family seemed to be less dysfunctional around this time of year . They didn’t want the coal that being bad would have gotten them from Santa . It amused me and of course, I didn’t miss the toxic behavior. They never figured it out!