A German COVID-denier (hard to believe such things exist anymore) decided to present herself as bravely defying the government by standing on a stage and claiming to be just like Sophie Scholl, which kind of takes one’s breath away as an appalling act of hubris. A security guard at the event is so disgusted at the way she’s trivializing the Holocaust that he publicly quits on the spot.
As a young woman compares herself to Nazi resistance fighter Sophie Scholl at a 'Querdenker' (Covid-denier) rally in Hannover, the disgusted security guard quits on the spot. pic.twitter.com/k7QoTJw41d
— Mike Stuchbery 💀🍷 (@MikeStuchbery_) November 22, 2020
Watch to the end. The best part is when the young woman is so embarrassed that she throws her microphone down and storms off the stage.
Be like that security guard. Don’t be like Jana from Kasse.
Meh. The virus is a Librul hoax. People are dying because the Democrats and Jews are poisoning the water table.
Also, because of demonic possession.
I went over to Christian forums and half of the USA Christians are demanding that we respect their rights to get sick and pass it on. Birger thinks he’s exaggerating. Sorry to say he isn’t . Liberal bashing , ignorance about what socialism is and of course virulent science denial all play a part in Covid denial. Some call it the China Flu (and lie about BLM) just like our current Ignoramus-in-Chief so you know they tend to be racist as well. They also wonder why so many have left the faith
Well, I was going to prepare breakfast, but she put paid any notion of eating for a while.
In the good news department, the adenovirus based Oxford vaccine shows a tentative 70.4 efficacy. It’s stored at a more common 2 – 8 C temperature range.
In the bad news side the US now has enough ventilators, but nowhere enough intensivists to operate them.
Children’s Hospital in St Louis is accepting adult COVID-19 patients and is converting OR recovery into ICU space.
Germany is facing ICU and hospital saturation.
“I’m like Sophie Scholl, but I also throw tantrums when publicly humiliated.”
@wzrd1: The Moderna vaccine, which has nearly a 95% efficacy, can be stored for 30 days at that temperature, which ought to be fine for logistical purposes; it only needs lower temperatures for long-term storage. I am unable to find any information for how long the Oxford vaccine remains stable in the 2°C – 8°C range.
Also, you’re apparently underreporting the efficacy of the Oxford vaccine — the 70% number, or so they claim, is the result of giving the vaccine in one shot. When given as two shots — a half-dose, and then a full dose later — they claim, at least; at this point we have no choice but to trust the numbers from the trials and only the manufacturers are doing them — that the efficacy rises to around 90%.
Of course, right now trusting numbers coming out of government contractors in the UK is a bit like trusting numbers coming out of the Trump administration or the Florida state government, but these are actual medical professionals, not Johnson appointees.
@2 brightmoon
I’ve been doing much the same lately. I’ve been trying to stay ahead of the election conspiracies though. I’ve traced a lot of the bullshit to a group called “Liberty Center for God and Country”. Through their secular looking website “EveryLegalVote.com” they’ve been fueling the dead people voted conspiracy. I’ve been getting way too into this stuff.
The Vicar@5,
I read that the Oxford vaccine can be stored for 6 months at “refrigerator temperatures”. It’s also going to cost around £3 a dose, at least for the next few months*, well below the price quoted for the two mRNA vaccines. The vaccine was developed by Oxford University scientists, who have now partnered with AstraZenica to scale up production. It will be manufactored at multiple sites around the world, the largest I believe in India (which is the world’s main drug-and-vaccine manufactuing centre).
*Somehwat vaguely, AstraZenica have said it will be sold at this non-profit price for the duration of the pandemic, without defining exactly what that means.
AstraZenica -> AstraZeneca@7
@The Vicar (via Freethoughtblogs)(#5):
The AZ/O vaccine an be stored in standard refrigerator for 6 months. <a href=”https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/23/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-is-70-effective-on-average-early-data-show/>link, almost at the bottom of the article.
You are wrong on how the vaccine was given. Full dose then a followup full dose resulted in 62%, half dose with full dose follow up resulted in 90%. A response by Fauci when asked about this: “there’s going to be a lot of hand waving”.
I know that the appropriate response is not to laugh out loud, but that was all I could do.
The AstraZeneca vaccine is one of those purchased by the European Union and Sweden, so I am cautiously optimistic for my older friends and relatives.
As for people living under the dominion of Trumpists and BoJo, if you have taken an old vaccine against tuberculosis it grants a degree of protection to various bacteria and virus pathogens, including sars-cov-2. People who has taken this vaccine generally get a milder disease progression of COVID19.
I will try to dig up some more details.
There is also intense research about medicines and nasal sprays that can give a degree of protection but the time factor makes it hard to find out which paths that are effective.
@KG(#7):
The at cost for AZ/O depends at bit on where you live. For the duration of the pandemic or in perpetuity if you live in a low/middle income country. So in a year or three if I’d need a booster (which with this being a corona virus is a distinct possibility) I will probably be billed €15, to €25,- for it while someone living in Kenya would only have to pay €3,-
The Cedars-Sinai medical center studies the well-known BCG vaccine as a “bridge” option to reduce the suffering caused by sars-cov-2 until a dedicated vaccine becomes available.
Thanks, WhoCares@12.
WhoCares@9, I expect the homeopaths will be all over the “half dose is better than full” (preliminary) result! The immune system is a weird and complicated thing, but I suspect it’ll turn out to be a statistical fluke. Fewer people were given the half-then-full course than the full-then-full.
@#9, Who Cares:
I went to the Oxford site for my statistics, so blame their unclear writing. (Whistles and looks away.) :P
But I question whether long-term storage (more than a month) matters very much, regardless of which vaccine we’re talking about. There’s going to be such demand for any vaccine for the first several months, minimum, that an unused dose going bad from sitting on the shelf is going to be rare, and even if it turns out that no booster shots are necessary they’ll have enough sales data to ramp down production gradually.
I love that security guard. The gesture where he points at his forehead? That’s the German gesture for “you’re nuts.”
“Sie haben einen Vogel.”
I also love how she stormed off, as if she never expected to be confronted. She’ll probably complain about her freeze peaches, except I don’t know how Germans do that. The German constitution has guarantees like ours does, but they’re not interpreted the way ours is – even when ours are interpreted correctly.
But, yea, German COVID deniers exist. I have family there who are COVID deniers. They are embarrassing, and I have no idea how they got to be that way. My uncle has railed against Merkel even before COVID, so maybe it’s similar to our USAn COVID deniers, where a science based policy choice becomes a political choice, when the other party embraces it. Merkel is the leader of the German right of center CDU, so COVID deniers in Germany tend to be extremists on either end of the spectrum.
@16.Your uncle sounds like a Gammon.
@10
On the contrary, I think the appropriate response is to laugh out loud. There is a danger to not laughing in the face of the kind of absurd idiocy that underlies science denial, conspiracy theories, and so on.
WhoCares@12:
Indeed. Here in the UK I expect to get whichever version they are distributing for free, though I’ll have to wait until the tranches of people deemed at higher risk than myself get theirs first. I’m expecting March/April-ish.
@10 Gammon is the name for anyone on the right ,who gets all fired up by things such as people on benefits ,refugees ,things like that ,which tend to raise their blood pressure and go red in the face .
And yes we do laugh at them ,and they hate it .
Wow, she really flounced off that stage. I hope she learns something from this.
I’m not so sure that was embarassment.
The people who profess insane ideologies for money or attention are rarely the real problem. The audience to which they play is comprised of people who genuinely believe these fantasies. It’s entirely possible that this woman genuinely believes what she’s saying, and to have someone deny her like that must be extremely painful. What we really, urgently need is some way to pull people back into something like a consensus reality, because so long as these delusions are able to propagate they will destroy not only the people who fall victim to them, but also the societies in which they thrive.
Deconversion may be a good model for freeing people of a world view which has them trapped, but it’s not as though anyone has come up with an effective way of doing that either.
I imagine what’s needed is something like one or two years of universal free higher education focused on humanities rather than future job prospects.
The COVID-19 deniers here in Germany are a strange mixture of right wing extremists and new agers.
They have made comparisons between the pandemic law recently passed by parliament to Hitler’s Ermächtigungsgesetz that gave the Nazis absolute power. Hence this woman comparing herself to Sophie Scholl. She may have made a fool of herself, but she hasn’t been put on trial and shot.
It is ironic to see Nazis complaining that they think people are using Nazi methods.
That’s not just one crazy woman saying stupid stuff (well, she is, but that’s not the scary part). This is not the first time COVID deniers and the far right (which have a significant overlap here) have tried to compare themselves to Sophie Scholl, nor will it be the last. It’s part of a deliberate strategy. They are trying to achieve two things, first public outrage and through that media coverage that brings them more people with a martyr complex, and second “tainting” the heroes of the left so they are redefined and become obsolete.
Making this about a woman throwing a tantrum and crying is a weird and misogynistic framing, imho. These people are dangerous and organized.
neptis
Who made this about her gender? Who said anything about tears?
You’re reaching a bit there.
Possibly a “bridge” vaccine before the dedicated vaccines have been made available
Study: Tuberculosis vaccine linked to lower risk of contracting COVID-19 https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-11-tuberculosis-vaccine-linked-covid-.html
During another rally here in Germany some parents put their 11-year-old daughter on stage, she read from a script something along the lines of “I wasn’t allowed to celebrate my birthday with all my friends, therefore I feel like Anne Frank”.
That’s really a new kind of low, espacially since “#janaauskassel” (“Jana from Kassel”, which has turned into a meme here) stood on a stage, with police protecting her right to say the stupidest things. Sophie Scholl stood up against a screaming nazi-judge with quit dignity. Hours before her execution she wrote “It’s such a beautiful day, and I must go”. Jana from Kassel dropped the mike and threw a temper tantrum. Before returning to her safe home, I guess. Disgusting.
But, but, but we mustn’t be mean to #JanaAusKassel, because she’s an obviously upset young white woman, say a million old white men who spent the last years railing against Greta Thunberg since back when she was literally a child standing alone in the cold.
That’s not so strange. There was a strong occult/mystical/pseudoscience strain in Nazism, and in the beliefs of Hitler himself (see for example Timothy W. Ryback Hitler’s Private Library: The Books that Shaped his Life). There’s a similar mix in covidiocy in the UK.
It turns out that AstraZeneca andor the Oxford University scientists who developed the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine have been spinning their interim results in a very dubious way. After initially reporting a 70% success rate, they started claiming 90% for a subset of cases in which a half dose was given for the first of the two doses. But (a) this was an error in the administration of the vaccine, not a deliberate variation, so I’d say it’s doubtful these cases should be included at all, since they are not testing the hypothesis they were supposed to, and (b) this subset included no-one over 55! The latter seems a much more likely explanation for the better result than that (as they’ve been suggesting) the immune system reacted better to this regimen than to two full doses.