Bush put the watch in his pocket. An alternate camera angle shown on ABC showed him taking it off.
Well, of course, it could be faked.
Like the moon landings.
And the fossil record. err.
Mystic Olly
Sheldonsays
Whether the watch go stolen or not, who knows.
But what is really interesting is the very warm reception that Bush is getting. And what is really funny is the obviousness of Bush soaking it up, relishing it and enjoying the being treated like a loved leader. I bet he loves Albania, and it will be the highlight of his presidency!
And thats the only place he is going to get this treatment.
HPsays
Like I said on Bruce Schneier’s blog, ask Penn and Teller. If Teller says the watch was stolen, that’s good enough for me. It was stolen. Otherwise, it’s an open question. I’m not a huge fan of Penn Gillette, but if anyone can spot a pickpocket, it’s Teller.
We had a little joke here in Bulgaria- if the president gets killed while in Sofia, finally our minister of internal affairs will file his long-awaited resignation.
I still can’t figure out why the president greeted people in Bulgaria with the mano cornuto gesture. He was a bit late for the Iron Maiden concert in Sofia on June4th.
tacitussays
Well, Stephen Colbert just claimed to have it this evening. :)
But in reality, even from the back angle, you can see that Bush is fiddling with his left arm/wrist in front of his body for a moment before he reaches back out toward the crowd. Plenty of time to remove his watch and dispose of it himself.
Oh, how sad! About Mr. Wizard, not the watch. I have a chemist colleague who is old enough to be my dad, and we had a great time when I first started working with him talking about Mr. Wizard; he had watched and loved the shows in the first incarnation, I had done the same when they were revived on Nick. Rest in peace, Don Herbert, you made the world a better place.
RickDsays
Re: Penn and Teller.
Before waiting for Teller’s commentary, do we have any assurance that he would actually talk?
Sacred Beefsays
Wait… two or three Albanians GRAB THE PRESIDENT’S ARM while he’s out in the middle of the crowd and no one is tackled by secret service guys?
Bush made some comments about Priscina a couple of days ago. Could have something to do with his popularity. He probably got some political advice from somebody.
Gilsays
Its simple really, he made statements a few days ago, pressing for the independence of Kosovo, which has a majority of Albanian population, and I guess you don’t purge cult personality in 20 years, after Enver Hoxha. And the political reality there is not far from the old days, the government says jump, people tend to.
There is no clear data about religious affiliation in Albania, the majority seem to identify itself as atheistic or agnostic, but the first major religious denomination is certainly Islam. You would wonder the crazy wingnuts like schlussel or malkin would be silent about this, oh wait, they are.
CalGeorgesays
What’s with the adoring crowds?
I think their anthem explains a lot about the nuttiness of Albanians:
United around the flag
With one desire and one goal
Let us pledge our word of honor
To fight for our salvation
Only he who is a born traitor
Averts from the struggle
He who is brave is not daunted
But falls – a martyr to the cause
With arms in hand we shall remain
To guard our fatherland round about
Our rights we will not bequeath
Enemies have no place here
For the Lord Himself has said
That nations vanish from the earth
But Albania shall live on
Because for her, it is for her that we fight
Bush should move to Albania. He’d fit right in.
RickDsays
So far I’ve heard that ABC had a different angle and so did MSNBC. Where are the photos? Why did the original reporting say that Bush was wearing a different watch later in the day? What does the story at MSNBC.com not mention the photos showing Bush taking off his own watch?
If the story is as simple as “we have photos debunking this silly rumor”, where are the photos?
tonysays
It’s no surprise that Bush was happy & ‘enjoying the crowd’…. He probably thought he was in New York’s Capital for a Rethuglican fundraiser….
That would also explain his lack of surprise at ‘losing’ his watch!
While I admit that it does look like someone tags his watch in that video, there is (I’ve seen it) an NBC video shot from a different angle that shows him dropping his arm and the watch is quite clearly still on, then he moves it in to his body and when he moves it out, the watch is off.
i.e. it looks like some ape grabbed at his watch, and he brought his arm in and took the watch off.
I don’t have the link handy where I am now, but I am sure you can google it up.
Mystic Olly says
Actually,
Bush put the watch in his pocket. An alternate camera angle shown on ABC showed him taking it off.
Well, of course, it could be faked.
Like the moon landings.
And the fossil record. err.
Mystic Olly
Sheldon says
Whether the watch go stolen or not, who knows.
But what is really interesting is the very warm reception that Bush is getting. And what is really funny is the obviousness of Bush soaking it up, relishing it and enjoying the being treated like a loved leader. I bet he loves Albania, and it will be the highlight of his presidency!
And thats the only place he is going to get this treatment.
HP says
Like I said on Bruce Schneier’s blog, ask Penn and Teller. If Teller says the watch was stolen, that’s good enough for me. It was stolen. Otherwise, it’s an open question. I’m not a huge fan of Penn Gillette, but if anyone can spot a pickpocket, it’s Teller.
Eliena Andrews says
i don’t think bush will b able to make up this time
coturnix says
Bush can tell time?
MartinC says
Guess whats just turned up on Albanian ebay…..
http://tinyurl.com/a6hp6
hipparchia says
We had a little joke here in Bulgaria- if the president gets killed while in Sofia, finally our minister of internal affairs will file his long-awaited resignation.
I still can’t figure out why the president greeted people in Bulgaria with the mano cornuto gesture. He was a bit late for the Iron Maiden concert in Sofia on June4th.
tacitus says
Well, Stephen Colbert just claimed to have it this evening. :)
But in reality, even from the back angle, you can see that Bush is fiddling with his left arm/wrist in front of his body for a moment before he reaches back out toward the crowd. Plenty of time to remove his watch and dispose of it himself.
skippy says
off topic, but mr. wizard died tuesday…
Carlie says
Oh, how sad! About Mr. Wizard, not the watch. I have a chemist colleague who is old enough to be my dad, and we had a great time when I first started working with him talking about Mr. Wizard; he had watched and loved the shows in the first incarnation, I had done the same when they were revived on Nick. Rest in peace, Don Herbert, you made the world a better place.
RickD says
Re: Penn and Teller.
Before waiting for Teller’s commentary, do we have any assurance that he would actually talk?
Sacred Beef says
Wait… two or three Albanians GRAB THE PRESIDENT’S ARM while he’s out in the middle of the crowd and no one is tackled by secret service guys?
Gary says
MSNBC had a different shot that shows the Prez removing his watch and putting it in his pocket.
Still, we can’t get closer than the “Free Speech Zone” and Albanians are running their fingers through his hair? WTF?
reason says
Bush made some comments about Priscina a couple of days ago. Could have something to do with his popularity. He probably got some political advice from somebody.
Gil says
Its simple really, he made statements a few days ago, pressing for the independence of Kosovo, which has a majority of Albanian population, and I guess you don’t purge cult personality in 20 years, after Enver Hoxha. And the political reality there is not far from the old days, the government says jump, people tend to.
There is no clear data about religious affiliation in Albania, the majority seem to identify itself as atheistic or agnostic, but the first major religious denomination is certainly Islam. You would wonder the crazy wingnuts like schlussel or malkin would be silent about this, oh wait, they are.
CalGeorge says
What’s with the adoring crowds?
I think their anthem explains a lot about the nuttiness of Albanians:
United around the flag
With one desire and one goal
Let us pledge our word of honor
To fight for our salvation
Only he who is a born traitor
Averts from the struggle
He who is brave is not daunted
But falls – a martyr to the cause
With arms in hand we shall remain
To guard our fatherland round about
Our rights we will not bequeath
Enemies have no place here
For the Lord Himself has said
That nations vanish from the earth
But Albania shall live on
Because for her, it is for her that we fight
Bush should move to Albania. He’d fit right in.
RickD says
So far I’ve heard that ABC had a different angle and so did MSNBC. Where are the photos? Why did the original reporting say that Bush was wearing a different watch later in the day? What does the story at MSNBC.com not mention the photos showing Bush taking off his own watch?
If the story is as simple as “we have photos debunking this silly rumor”, where are the photos?
tony says
It’s no surprise that Bush was happy & ‘enjoying the crowd’…. He probably thought he was in New York’s Capital for a Rethuglican fundraiser….
That would also explain his lack of surprise at ‘losing’ his watch!
;)
Evolving Squid says
While I admit that it does look like someone tags his watch in that video, there is (I’ve seen it) an NBC video shot from a different angle that shows him dropping his arm and the watch is quite clearly still on, then he moves it in to his body and when he moves it out, the watch is off.
i.e. it looks like some ape grabbed at his watch, and he brought his arm in and took the watch off.
I don’t have the link handy where I am now, but I am sure you can google it up.
Evolving Squid says
Ah, here it is:
Kristine says
Was it Paley’s watch? Did the Designer “call it home”? WATERLOO FOR I.D.!
Sorry. ;-)
John M. Burt says
“Bush’s 2007 visit to Albania was the highpoint of his presidency”.
Oh, yes, he richly deserves to have the record say that.